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jaymclaughlinjaymclaughlin Member Posts: 630 Arc User
So I started a new Rom toon. Got him up to level 50 in super quick time, then obviously needed to start grinding for all the rep marks.

So first ISE run tonight... crashed when the first cube blew. Had to restart my whole machine. Get back on right at the end... no marks awarded and then slaps me with a 2 hour AFK penalty!!! :mad:
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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    So I started a new Rom toon. Got him up to level 50 in super quick time, then obviously needed to start grinding for all the rep marks.

    So first ISE run tonight... crashed when the first cube blew. Had to restart my whole machine. Get back on right at the end... no marks awarded and then slaps me with a 2 hour AFK penalty!!! :mad:


    And?

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  • jaymclaughlinjaymclaughlin Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    The game does no, because when I restarted it popped a box up to say so.

    I can deal with no getting awarded anything. That's only fair, but when the game crashes so often it seems like a smack in the face to get a penalty, especially a 2 hour penalty!
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  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    The game does no, because when I restarted it popped a box up to say so.

    I can deal with no getting awarded anything. That's only fair, but when the game crashes so often it seems like a smack in the face to get a penalty, especially a 2 hour penalty!

    No game or application can actually know why your connection was lost. It sucks but in this case I think it's the best option.
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  • jaymclaughlinjaymclaughlin Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Can it be made an option for PVP as well then? I've lost count of how many people are leaving or afk'ing in the arenas?

    I'm fine with penalties if they're consistent
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    STO has PvP?
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  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    It's happened to me a few times. Basically you HAVE to do damage constantly. Which means healers are screwed. And you can't delegate duties like activating things or putting out fires or what have. Just pew pew instance won. Otherwise you're branded a leech even if you aren't.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Yes, OP. The AFK penalty is WAI.

    You have your fellow players to thank for giving Cryptic reason to implement it to begin with.
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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    daqhegh wrote: »
    It's happened to me a few times. Basically you HAVE to do damage constantly. Which means healers are screwed. And you can't delegate duties like activating things or putting out fires or what have. Just pew pew instance won. Otherwise you're branded a leech even if you aren't.

    I have to say I'm not so sure about that damage requirement. I did a run on cure found elite a while ago to test something. I stayed out of the battle completely until the carrier appeared at the end, but I still got rewards and avoided a penalty. If I did enough damage just in that short section to cover my A*s, then they have set the dps requirement ridiculously low.
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  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I have to say I'm not so sure about that damage requirement. I did a run on cure found elite a while ago to test something. I stayed out of the battle completely until the carrier appeared at the end, but I still got rewards and avoided a penalty. If I did enough damage just in that short section to cover my A*s, then they have set the dps requirement ridiculously low.

    Whatev...I'm sure there's a bunch of loopholes. The bottom line is that damage is REQUIRED or you get the penalty. So there's no emphasis on teamwork or healing or even strategy. Just keep shooting until you win.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    daqhegh wrote: »
    Whatev...I'm sure there's a bunch of loopholes. The bottom line is that damage is REQUIRED or you get the penalty. So there's no emphasis on teamwork or healing or even strategy. Just keep shooting until you win.

    If your idea of strategy and teamwork includes not firing your weapons whatsoever during a mission, then your idea of strategy and teamwork is bad.

    If you think healing is impossible if you are firing your weapons, then your idea of healing is bad.

    If you think the AFK penalty is unfair because you are being forced to use your weapons, then the AFK penalty is WAI.

    Missions require things to die in order to progress. If you think dealing damage in order to progress in the mission is unfair, then maybe you are just bad at the game.
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  • spacerasta1spacerasta1 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Had this afk thing a few times as well and none had to do with connection loss. In all cases the event was actually finished but when you click to leave you get the penalty and no marks. However this has only happened with my low level character (lower than 20), it has never happened with the max level characters.

    Not sure on that damage thing as there is pretty much constant fighting. Yea low level character fire power is like shooting paper confetti but at least it is constant.

    At no time when I did get a connection loss did this afk thing turn up if I got back in the event.

    So now after finishing any event I never leave first, haven't had the afk penalty problem happen again so far.
  • stomperx99stomperx99 Member Posts: 863 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    So I started a new Rom toon. Got him up to level 50 in super quick time, then obviously needed to start grinding for all the rep marks.

    So first ISE run tonight... crashed when the first cube blew. Had to restart my whole machine. Get back on right at the end... no marks awarded and then slaps me with a 2 hour AFK penalty!!! :mad:

    Happens to me sometimes as well. :(


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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I have to say I'm not so sure about that damage requirement. I did a run on cure found elite a while ago to test something. I stayed out of the battle completely until the carrier appeared at the end, but I still got rewards and avoided a penalty. If I did enough damage just in that short section to cover my A*s, then they have set the dps requirement ridiculously low.

    Agreed here (you are probably the one in the Jem ship I thought was trying to leech), I have been booted several times, due to poor connections, loss of power, computer shutsdown, internet loss, etc., and have never once gained an AFK penalty.

    Heck I have even had storms knock out my power for hours, and guess what I eventually log back in, and no penalty, so I do not find myself having compassion for those who say they get one for these reasons at all.

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  • daqheghdaqhegh Member Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I think it's interesting what has been said here. Basically all you have to do is charge in at the final battle and you'll get the rewards AND avoid being AFK. Kinda defeats the point of the penalty, doesn't it?
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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Agreed here (you are probably the one in the Jem ship I thought was trying to leech)...


    I was actually in the new risian cruiser. I believe I had it colored a rather lurid shade of green and pink. lol
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    daqhegh wrote: »
    So there's no emphasis on teamwork or healing or even strategy. Just keep shooting until you win.

    But isn't that the fault of STO's combat, not STO's AFK system? The latter is simply making an assumption. How reasonable that is depends on the mission and combat design.
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  • wilbor2wilbor2 Member Posts: 1,684 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    in all my time playing ive only had this happen once n i play on a 5 year old laptop that i have to set on nearly min settings to play the game or it Lag big time. have u thought that something is wrong with your comp or the downloaded game. every 2-3 bigish patches. something goes wrong n i need to uninstall then reinstall STO when came back to STO after sto came out it crashed every time i logged in reinstalled the game Fixed it for me.
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  • picard99picard99 Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    You can get afk penalty without entering stf or que :)
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    So I started a new Rom toon. Got him up to level 50 in super quick time, then obviously needed to start grinding for all the rep marks.

    So first ISE run tonight... crashed when the first cube blew. Had to restart my whole machine. Get back on right at the end... no marks awarded and then slaps me with a 2 hour AFK penalty!!! :mad:

    I agree with the people that say sorry for the internet fail **** happens return after two hours or the next day. I'm glad the AFK penalty is there because people won't leave without a good reason. Like internet loss or power failure. And if your system is not up to it I recommend an update on software it might help !!

    But stop whining about getting a penalty because of whatever the reason was, those other four players had one player short now it is simple to overcome it these days but still you may fail at the bonus because of your machine is going offline other players might miss the bonus. :P
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I have to say I'm not so sure about that damage requirement. I did a run on cure found elite a while ago to test something. I stayed out of the battle completely until the carrier appeared at the end, but I still got rewards and avoided a penalty. If I did enough damage just in that short section to cover my A*s, then they have set the dps requirement ridiculously low.

    This is what I hate the most off some people thats why I fight in the fleet or known groups to avoid people like you !! :mad:
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  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    This is what I hate the most off some people thats why I fight in the fleet or known groups to avoid people like you !! :mad:


    You seem to be of the assumption that I did this in a pug group. :rolleyes:
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  • sergiorozshenkosergiorozshenko Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I have found game client instability is due to out of date drivers, and a fragmented disk. Update all your drivers and defrag that should help minimize crashes in the future.

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  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    So I started a new Rom toon. Got him up to level 50 in super quick time, then obviously needed to start grinding for all the rep marks.

    So first ISE run tonight... crashed when the first cube blew. Had to restart my whole machine. Get back on right at the end... no marks awarded and then slaps me with a 2 hour AFK penalty!!! :mad:

    Sorry.
    I approve of the AFK penalty BUT it is not applied consistently nor correctly.

    Last night, and this is rare for me, I had to run to help my wife in the middle of a CCE. I left my boat at 10.1 km shooting and of course came back, about 10 min later, dead. No penalty; I came back, rezzed and repaired, apologised & helped kill the thing (earning second place, so everyone else apparently were testing out all turret builds or something).

    I should have been given a penalty for that. Dunno how long your PC takes to boot (mine takes like 30 seconds) and that should NOT incur the penalty. I could reboot and back in game before the system even registered me as gone, most likely, and those short lapses should not have a penalty at all.
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