I gotta vent 'cuz I got really pissed off when playing ICE...

jaguarskx · July 2014

ICE is supposed to be relatively easy and quick.

I just finished ICE and it took over 30 minutes because some stupid idiot went around destroying the nanite generators and completely ignoring the Borg cube. This triggered the Borg Spheres to start showing up.

Needless to say this made the mission much harder and longer. People where even ignoring the spheres for a while and kept pounding away at the nanite transformer giving the spheres a chance to heal any damage.

I dunno if I was surrounded by trolls or just newbies who had no idea what they are doing. Maybe I should have just left that mission. I dunno... I just know that I am pissed off...

iconians · July 2014

jaguarskx wrote: »

ICE is supposed to be relatively easy and quick.

I just finished ICE and it took over 30 minutes because some stupid idiot went around destroying the nanite generators and completely ignoring the Borg cube. This triggered the Borg Spheres to start showing up.

Needless to say this made the mission much harder and longer. People where even ignoring the spheres for a while and kept pounding away at the nanite transformer giving the spheres a chance to heal any damage.

I dunno if I was surrounded by trolls or just newbies who had no idea what they are doing. Maybe I should have just left that mission. I dunno... I just know that I am pissed off...

There are a lot of jerks and dumb people on the internet, I fully believe your story.

cptjhunter · July 2014

If he spawned the Spheres, and warped out...troll.(had this happen to me a few months back).

If they stayed, and slugged it out with you....noob.

Happens once in awhile, take some deep breaths, have a drink, or take a walk, and shrug it off.

shaitan100 · July 2014

awwwww p00r baby

starkaos · July 2014

It happens. It is the curse of PUGs. Have some really great teams and some really poor teams. Had one of those annoying ICEs due to some elitist jerk quitting because the optional failed.

qunlar2020 · July 2014

jaguarskx wrote: »

ICE is supposed to be relatively easy and quick.

I just finished ICE and it took over 30 minutes because some stupid idiot went around destroying the nanite generators and completely ignoring the Borg cube. This triggered the Borg Spheres to start showing up.

Needless to say this made the mission much harder and longer. People where even ignoring the spheres for a while and kept pounding away at the nanite transformer giving the spheres a chance to heal any damage.

I dunno if I was surrounded by trolls or just newbies who had no idea what they are doing. Maybe I should have just left that mission. I dunno... I just know that I am pissed off...[/QUOTE

N neex
I can understand your frustrastion, these events happen about once a week for the casual pugger. What makes it even worse is when a team member sends them bad messagess. Much like the ones aa scool teacher would reprimand a wayword student. Panicing to a way word soldier will not pull him online. Asking him to help remedie the situation will produce at least a better reward. Don,t even need to placeblame untill after they are done. I can understandthe yellingat someone. When STF's first arrived. We all were called everything in the book.

virusdancer · July 2014

jaguarskx wrote: »

This triggered the Borg Spheres to start showing up.

The vast majority of my runs involve somebody triggering the Nanite Spheres before all the Gens are ready to be dropped. Some are from somebody popping a Gen right off the back. Sometimes it's even somebody popping a Gen on the right side right off the back when everybody else went left.

I'd say that probably less than 1-2% of my runs involve any sort of Cube, 4 Gens together, Transformer...

...cause it's not really a big deal if somebody pops a Gen early.

Just go kill the Nanites.

Cause...

jaguarskx wrote: »

ICE is supposed to be relatively easy and quick.

...it is.

If you've got folks doing average DPS - somewhere in the 5-10k range - then it doesn't matter if somebody can drops a Gen like that...just slaughter the Nanites.

If folks are pulling 1-2k DPS...there's a Normal version instead of Elite for a reason.

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cbrjwrr · July 2014

deokkent wrote: »

I would have loved to have a challenging match like that. This is why I pug.

The curse of my veteran playernism. No joke.

This. Pugging be pugging, don't like it, make a team of your own with mates. I had a ICE pug with a fleet mate recently, posted about it even, where my T2 Connie outperformed at least 3, possibly 4 T5 ships:

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1153741

If you go for pugs, then you have to accept that sometimes people will queue Elite with a white Mk X or worse rainbow beamboat running cannon abilities, hoping to be carried through.

thunderfoot · July 2014

All I can say is - when you play STO long enough, stuff like this happens. Seems to come in bunches, too. It can be frustrating. But only if you let it be so. STO is a game. Not a lifestyle choice.

I quit stressing over maxing out everything when I fly PUGs a long time ago. And when they aggravate too much, I go do something else for awhile.

woodwhity · July 2014

Where is the problem, just destroy either the gens&trans before the spheres or the spheres itself.
But therefor you need dps, that evil darn elitists thing. But that is pretty much the best example, why you should dps, so you wont be dependend on your teammates in pugs, because normally, they really suck.

feiqa · July 2014

thunderfoot006 wrote: »

All I can say is - when you play STO long enough, stuff like this happens. Seems to come in bunches, too. It can be frustrating. But only if you let it be so. STO is a game. Not a lifestyle choice.

I quit stressing over maxing out everything when I fly PUGs a long time ago. And when they aggravate too much, I go do something else for awhile.

Not a life style choice. . . I need to bury my bat'leth.

vetteguy904 · July 2014

one reason I have never flown STFs. I would feel bad if the weavers or scorpions decided to ignore me and go shoot at something they shouldn't

noroblad · July 2014

THINK about what a new player in IC (not E) has seen. People downplay for various reasons (epeen, in a hurry, trying a new build, alt char, actually new to game, etc) but go into a non-elite and about 3/4 of the time some goober in a 40k dps ship will splatter everything. New player thinks "hmm, normal is too easy, and there is no strategy but to shoot whatever tab brings up and win". New player then moves to elite, and guess what he sees there? Some goober in a 50k+ dps ship splatters everything and again, just randomly shooting at stuff = free loot.

UNTIL

the guy finally gets into a group without elite players. This is sorta rare these days, but when it finally happens, there is NO strategy, NO teamwork, and no skills to fall back on to resolve the issue. So the new guy shoots at whatever he can hit and things go horribly wrong in a hurry.

And we wonder why these sorts of things happen...

theshushux · July 2014

we need the option to shoot teammates in stf !! problem solved !

markhawkman · July 2014

virusdancer wrote: »

The vast majority of my runs involve somebody triggering the Nanite Spheres before all the Gens are ready to be dropped. Some are from somebody popping a Gen right off the back. Sometimes it's even somebody popping a Gen on the right side right off the back when everybody else went left.

I'd say that probably less than 1-2% of my runs involve any sort of Cube, 4 Gens together, Transformer...

...cause it's not really a big deal if somebody pops a Gen early.

Just go kill the Nanites.

I like to chain breach the nanites myself. mmm... Gravwell+HY Tric.

(or gravimetric)

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jornado · July 2014

deokkent wrote: »

I would have loved to have a challenging match like that. This is why I pug.

The curse of my veteran playernism. No joke.

/agreed

The only reason I do PUGs is in case of mishaps. It's the only challenge left in PvE.

Cheers.

theshushux · July 2014

westmetals wrote: »

Coming from (partially) the other side of the coin.... I'm a relatively new player, and about two weeks ago was in a PUG ICE where, as soon as the first set of spheres showed up, I got vaped trying to take them down (with a 4 DHC/3 Turret fleet Defiant) and the optional failed during my respawn time, because apparently nobody else (or not enough) was paying attention to them.

Then some self-appointed jerk started cussing everyone out that "it's incredibly easy not to blow the optional" - I in fact see it happen about 25-30% of the time - and when he escalated to actual swearwords and personal insults, I quit because I'd prefer not to be talked to like that for something that I tried to prevent. That's when I discovered the quitting penalty and boy was I pissed. (Apparently, we have to put up with such trolls in this game.)

I don't think I did another STF for about three days. Just because some jerk couldn't keep things civil. I understand being upset - I was, too - but you don't need to use swearwords and insults. So the moral of the story, in my opinion, is - go ahead and be angry, but please, be angry in a civilized manner.

And the epilogue - Monday, in a different STF, I stuck around through literally getting vaped about 12 times, trying to avoid the quitting penalty (I guess I was the "big threat"; the other players got it maybe once or twice each) and then, after all five of us got vaped at the same time when we got to the boss, two of them quit almost simultaneously. I was afraid to quit because of the penalty - having experienced it before - but at that point I realized the mission couldn't be completed. This left me with a huge dilemma... until about three minutes and another respawn later when I found myself alone. I bit the bullet and was pleasantly surprised to find out I didn't get the penalty. (Just having wasted about half an hour and the resources to fix the ship injuries.)

getting vaped = understandable. the problem is players that don't even know what to do..u can see sone moron sit for 10 min shooting the cube/transformer without taking out the gen first ..AND dont check the chat :P

btw u can repair free at k7 or esd

noroblad · July 2014

I think the third person and beyond to leave a failed run are immune to the penalties. Not 100% sure.

Also the game will add players if people left, eventually -- I know I have been dragged into plenty of "what the heck happened here anyway????!!!" runs and in most of those, the group can recover with a bit of focused fire.

The way you handle someone swearing etc:
1) block the player. Right click in the chat and ignore them.
2) swearing is blocked by default. Your filter was turned off by mistake, turn it back on to hide the offending words.
3) report the player, if they truly crossed a line. I don't report people for the language proper but if they are abusive towards others, I will.

lordsteve1 · July 2014

Thing with ISE is that it is really easy once you know what to so and what to keep a look out for (keeping an eye on approaching nanites).

That said if I'm in a pug and we fail the optional it's really no issue as it's is only optional at the end of the day. And fighting back to win the game after it's all gone **** up is quite fun sometimes.

What gets me really TRIBBLE off though is so called elite players who think their tactic is the way to go and then aggro the whole dammed map trying to rotflstomp through the npcs, then rage quit when the rest of the team doesn't follow their tactics (despite then often not telling players what they are doing).

Newbie players have to and should learn through failing, but anyone who calls themselves elite should know better than to bugger up the match through their own arrogant actions.

woodwhity · July 2014

lordsteve1 wrote: »

What gets me really TRIBBLE off though is so called elite players who think their tactic is the way to go and then aggro the whole dammed map trying to rotflstomp through the npcs, then rage quit when the rest of the team doesn't follow their tactics (despite then often not telling players what they are doing).

Do not make the mistake to label wannabes as elite players. Latter ones stay and Solo the STF if necessary.

lordsteve1 · July 2014

Do not make the mistake to label wannabes as elite players. Latter ones stay and Solo the STF if necessary.

So very true!

I think anyone who feels the need to inform the rest of the team how elite they are and how their tactic is best because of it is clearly in the wannabe camp.

Someone who knows they are truly good at the game just gets on with it and like you say they probably don't care if the rest of the team ignores them.

coupaholic · July 2014

jornado wrote: »

/agreed

The only reason I do PUGs is in case of mishaps. It's the only challenge left in PvE.

Cheers.

Aye. It's good when things go unexpected, makes it more interesting. It helps that the rewards tend to be better too - more for me when the elitist types run off at the first signs of a botched run

admrenlarreck · July 2014

Similar thing has happened to me a lot as well. Joined a pug, and one of the guys came in popped a generator and sat there as the rest of us tried to figure out what happened as to why the optional was lost. he then warped out. Out of the 4 of us left I was the best at DPS with a measly 3K. I let the other 3 guys distract everything they could, while I finished off the transformers and the gate then hit the Tac cube at the end. It took us about 20 minutes or so to finish it. We did finish it, though.

ryakidrys · July 2014

Some folks are loners. I don't just mean anti-social, I mean these folks are wired to be totally against working with others. After making level 50, STO kind of compels you to do missions with other folks to level up reputation and other stuff but the loner won't play those missions as part of a team anyway. The loner sees everyone go one way and will naturally go the other way. When they first did that in infected, their DPS was so pitiful, the other 4 could take the transformer out and arrive to the other side before the loner could even kill a generator. As they get better at optimizing their ships, BO setups, etc, that changes. Now the loner is able to destroy 2 generators before the other 4 destroy the transformer and the loner is now doing something not easily overcome by the other 4 players.
For me, typing stuff to folks during a pugged STF tends to get me killed. I do too much DPS to not get aggro most of the time in a pugged STF, and not being ready to apply heals is a recipe for death. For me, the best thing to do is to do your best to destroy things in the proper order and wait until after the STF/ Mission to tell the player that messed it up for the team that you could provide some advice to them. Half of the time, I'm already ignored and that's that. Sometimes, I'm not ignored already, but might as well be since there is no response. Every now and then, someone responds, they aren't a jerk about it, and genuinely want to know how to run it better.

So, understand that the loner, not the troll who spawns the spheres and bails, may not know they are doing anything wrong. Take the opportunity to help them.

baudl · July 2014

ryakidrys wrote: »

Some folks are loners. I don't just mean anti-social, I mean these folks are wired to be totally against working with others. After making level 50, STO kind of compels you to do missions with other folks to level up reputation and other stuff but the loner won't play those missions as part of a team anyway. The loner sees everyone go one way and will naturally go the other way. When they first did that in infected, their DPS was so pitiful, the other 4 could take the transformer out and arrive to the other side before the loner could even kill a generator. As they get better at optimizing their ships, BO setups, etc, that changes. Now the loner is able to destroy 2 generators before the other 4 destroy the transformer and the loner is now doing something not easily overcome by the other 4 players.
For me, typing stuff to folks during a pugged STF tends to get me killed. I do too much DPS to not get aggro most of the time in a pugged STF, and not being ready to apply heals is a recipe for death. For me, the best thing to do is to do your best to destroy things in the proper order and wait until after the STF/ Mission to tell the player that messed it up for the team that you could provide some advice to them. Half of the time, I'm already ignored and that's that. Sometimes, I'm not ignored already, but might as well be since there is no response. Every now and then, someone responds, they aren't a jerk about it, and genuinely want to know how to run it better.

So, understand that the loner, not the troll who spawns the spheres and bails, may not know they are doing anything wrong. Take the opportunity to help them.

To be fair though, it is more than doable with the right setup. I can do it with my rom. tac in the scimitar. slightly above 20k dps...not even top dps.
With some teams it takes me less time too destroy all 4 generators and transformer than the other 4 people need.
it is harder with other ships, but also very much doable. I did it once with a sci captain in a breen cruiser. The timeing and placing of the GW must be perfect to give you an extra 10 seconds to take down the transformer.

scififan78 · July 2014

The last ICE run I did irritated me. The team (PUG of course) destroyed the first cube and spheres and went to the left side. Destroyed the left cube then went to work on the nanites gens. I watched the health and stopped shooting but everyone else continued and started popping them. The nanite probes warped in and headed to the transformer. Everyone ignored them except for me. Thankfully I was in my Rom sci ship with a somewhat CC build. I left the transformer and activated GW and started shooting. When GW ended, I activated TBR to try and keep them at bay. I finally got help on the spheres when the transformer finally went boom. Onward to the right side and it was just rinse and repeat. I controlled the spheres while everyone else blew stuff up.

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cbrjwrr · July 2014

Or just grav well them.

dahminus · July 2014

I've once went right, popped the generators then swung to the middle where some popped a gw on all the spheres...

Murdered them all with a gdf and tactical fleet.

I tried to recreate this epic event and I've never seen another gw, but the opposite side never seems to have enough dps to kill their transformer before the nanites get there...

I have a lot of issues figuring out why the general population always seem to do such low dps...i can only speculate.

Moral is, stick with the group...even if your carrying then through

I gotta vent 'cuz I got really pissed off when playing ICE...

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