I was giving this some thought the other day, and figured I'd get some input from you guys and gals.
With all the races Voyager met with, in the TV series, how would they react, to us coming back to their space now.
Mind you, many of them viewed Voyager as a threat, even though, they claimed they where peaceful. Now we have not only Star Fleet, but the KDF and Romulan Republic, that have returned to that area of space.
It makes me wonder, if this would not be seen as an invasion force, by many of the other races there. Remember at the time, the KDF and Roms, had a shaky relationship with the Feds, or so the other races where thought to believe, now , here we are, on a dyson sphere no less, with enough firepower to destroy just about any thing out there.
If I was an inhabitant of the DQ, I'd be very worried, and it seems to me, that it would make for some interesting missions, come the future.
Of course who knows what Cryptic will do in the future, But this whole set up just makes me wonder.
Nevermind, that we have three groups, who would face an outside threat from the denizens differently. The Feds would try and talk, the Klingons would react to any attack in a most brazen way befitting a warrior, and the Roms, well who knows what the Roms would do, as I'm still trying to find their niche in the new world.
Anyways, just some general thoughts, and I figured some may have a different way of looking at it, that I have not entertained.
My mother always told me to walk away from a fight, The Marines taught me how.
That's why I would like to see the Delta Quadrant as some kind of FE - Hub or Exploration Revamp (individual stories with at least the "Illusion" of being the only one / a few there), instead of the next Adventure Zone with thousands of ships invading, shooting New Enemy XY for Reputation ZX ... but this is probably not gonna happen ...
... guess we'll see in Expansion 2 later this year ...
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That would have some serious tension built in. We came as friends before but now we're coming in hoards. In the books, Voyager goes back to the DQ with a small fleet. Yeah, that wouldn't terrify anyone right?
Imagine as word spread. I'd imagine panic, new alliances, distrust, hostility, and some great opportunities to revisit interesting twists.
Well, in case of the Delta Quadrant species known as the Borg... I doubt much would change.
But as for everything else, it seems like a good parallel to when European explorers first encountered North and South America. Then started bringing in settlers.
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Good comparison to the settlers from Europe. First few groups how ya doing, then the armada came, and it was all dust and death for those here.
@ ktonof1aq, that is exactly what I was thinking also. Who knows, maybe we can also branch off and have the three main groups each exploring a different section of space, that test their own mettle. That could tie into thutmosis85's suggestion of smaller groups.
lol @ the Iconians though. I tell ya, I'm about ready to bash my head in the wall against them, even if it accomplishes nothing. Like the little mouse flipping off the Eagle, in the last great act of defiance.
Who knows, maybe we could get some other returning stars to revisit us in the game. Can you imagine Kes coming back? I wonder how much it would run to get Jennifer to do some voice over. Maybe have her play an ambassadorial role , or be the catalyst for surviving against said Iconians.
On the other hand, maybe not. the mystery of her character may be better served leaving it alone.
Still I can see many opportunities here, intrigue, war, maybe even a cold war brewing over control of the Dyson sphere. Get togethers like this always start off all fun and friendly, but eventually, we always wind up a feuding again.
"When old friends get together, everything else falls into insignificance. "
~~ War, Famine, Pestilence, and death.
Heck, I would be honored if even one of the foundry greats took the idea and ran with it.
My mother always told me to walk away from a fight, The Marines taught me how.
The Solanae sphere is in the Delta Quadrant, but not in the area that Voyager went - it's only 30,000 light years from Earth. Even if it's along their route, it's after the point they shortcut home in Endgame. The Voth are a long way from home there, too, they came in the same way we did using one of the gates opened in Sphere of Influence. Most of the races Voyager met hadn't traveled huge distances, and aside from the Voth, Borg, and Undine are probably unaware of Starfleet's return.
Honestly, the rest of the Delta Quadrant probably has more immediate concerns. With all the gates being opened, many of those races now have access to direct two way connections with one or more random parts of the galaxy. Hundreds of wars were probably started by opening those gates, even without the Elachi showing up around them as they did in the end of SoI and the pre-S8 event.
The Solanae sphere is in the Delta Quadrant, but not in the area that Voyager went - it's only 30,000 light years from Earth. Even if it's along their route, it's after the point they shortcut home in Endgame. The Voth are a long way from home there, too, they came in the same way we did using one of the gates opened in Sphere of Influence. Most of the races Voyager met hadn't traveled huge distances, and aside from the Voth, Borg, and Undine are probably unaware of Starfleet's return.
Honestly, the rest of the Delta Quadrant probably has more immediate concerns. With all the gates being opened, many of those races now have access to direct two way connections with one or more random parts of the galaxy. Hundreds of wars were probably started by opening those gates, even without the Elachi showing up around them as they did in the end of SoI and the pre-S8 event.
That might apply to the Solanae Sphere but the Jenolan Sphere? That is far deeper in.
I was giving this some thought the other day, and figured I'd get some input from you guys and gals.
With all the races Voyager met with, in the TV series, how would they react, to us coming back to their space now.
Mind you, many of them viewed Voyager as a threat, even though, they claimed they where peaceful. Now we have not only Star Fleet, but the KDF and Romulan Republic, that have returned to that area of space.
It makes me wonder, if this would not be seen as an invasion force, by many of the other races there. Remember at the time, the KDF and Roms, had a shaky relationship with the Feds, or so the other races where thought to believe, now , here we are, on a dyson sphere no less, with enough firepower to destroy just about any thing out there.
If I was an inhabitant of the DQ, I'd be very worried, and it seems to me, that it would make for some interesting missions, come the future.
Of course who knows what Cryptic will do in the future, But this whole set up just makes me wonder.
Nevermind, that we have three groups, who would face an outside threat from the denizens differently. The Feds would try and talk, the Klingons would react to any attack in a most brazen way befitting a warrior, and the Roms, well who knows what the Roms would do, as I'm still trying to find their niche in the new world.
Anyways, just some general thoughts, and I figured some may have a different way of looking at it, that I have not entertained.
janeway was not only a threat to every other race but to her ship, crew and herself. shes a traitor and reckless beyond reason. occasionally someone other then janeway gets contact with the crew of the voyager and manages to get some peaceful ground going, but sometimes a situation is just that bad and no way to prevent it. its a wonder the delta quadrant survived at all with janeway on the voyager. sarcastic or not, does not matter, she really is a threat to everything. as far as racial contact goes, thats a mixed bag, the talaxians dont really seem too concerned, the ocampa are too concerned with their own affairs, the kazon are more concerned with killing the trabe and each other. the borg are more interested in rebuilding, the voth want to expand the same with the likes of the devore imperium but remain completely in their own bubble, the hirogan are more or less dead or wondering aimlessly, the hierachy watches and attempts to raid, beyond that not much else... so on. it would depend really on the situation and how an enemy may treat another.
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Given how this is STO we're talking about, I suspect we'll need to end-up blowing every single species we encounter to oblivion anyway.
What I'd like is to be pleasantly suprised, even shocked:eek:, with is Cryptic managing to create and explore storylines beyond "Iconians are behind it" and "Pwn thisX5".
Bring somekind of an exploration mechanic behind Ex.2. Make some of the species and adventure/social zones friendly, while others hostile and some even neutral. Heck, make some of them be friendly towards a certain faction, like Talaxians and Ocampa towards the Federation, others for the Klingon Empire, etc.
And for the love of Trek, finally get back into actual black space. Enough of the spheres and fluidic instances!
Given how this is STO we're talking about, I suspect we'll need to end-up blowing every single species we encounter to oblivion anyway.
What I'd like is to be pleasantly suprised, even shocked:eek:, with is Cryptic managing to create and explore storylines beyond "Iconians are behind it" and "Pwn thisX5".
Bring somekind of an exploration mechanic behind Ex.2. Make some of the species and adventure/social zones friendly, while others hostile and some even neutral. Heck, make some of them be friendly towards a certain faction, like Talaxians and Ocampa towards the Federation, others for the Klingon Empire, etc.
And for the love of Trek, finally get back into actual black space. Enough of the spheres and fluidic instances!
This, all of this.
Expansion 2 is a huge opportunity to retool the game away from combat, at least a little bit.
Expansion 2 is a huge opportunity to retool the game away from combat, at least a little bit.
Exactly.
We have all those skillpoints we've spec'd into our skills, and all they do is somewhat modify our combat stats.
only in the last few months has there even really been any attention paid to people's careerpath in missions (beyond optionals)
Like in the mission 'seeds of dissent', you have to disable charges. low explosives skills = chance to set it off and fail the missio, or have it explode and cause injury, or have to do massive optionals to atone. An engineer with a high demolitions skill has a better chance of defusing it quickly, and without risk.
You know, actual 'skills checks' with consequences.
Right now people just respec for DPS and that's about it. There's no consequences, or drawbacks otherwise. There's not even a requirement that your bridge officers be anything except secondary DPS machines.
This MMORPG needs to do more RPG and less 3rd person shooter.
Hirogen will be like the ones in Rom space, maybe a few frienemies
the Higherachy will panic
the Krenim will be mostly neutral, or friendly-ish if they have learned about the Year of Hell
the Malons would most likely be split between the mildly hostile Political/Transporter establishment, and a friendly 'Green' like movement
the Kazon + the Trabe are both hostile, sort of like the last Breen Mission or a reverse Ker'at
the Swarm are just ultra hostiles
the Klingon Colony and the 37's would be very friendly
We have all those skillpoints we've spec'd into our skills, and all they do is somewhat modify our combat stats.
only in the last few months has there even really been any attention paid to people's careerpath in missions (beyond optionals)
Like in the mission 'seeds of dissent', you have to disable charges. low explosives skills = chance to set it off and fail the missio, or have it explode and cause injury, or have to do massive optionals to atone. An engineer with a high demolitions skill has a better chance of defusing it quickly, and without risk.
You know, actual 'skills checks' with consequences.
Right now people just respec for DPS and that's about it. There's no consequences, or drawbacks otherwise. There's not even a requirement that your bridge officers be anything except secondary DPS machines.
This MMORPG needs to do more RPG and less 3rd person shooter.
There also needs to be something done with the map. If I'm in the middle of 'The 2800', it ruins it to know I can just go to DS9 still. It should be out-of-bounds.
Likewise, ESD should have the old model, albeit reduced in functionality now, until the player has completed surface tension, when they then unlock the new fully functional ESD.
It also bugs me that despite completing the Spectres chain, Drozana still shimmers 'triolically'.
If the engine can't manage to do those kinds of changes 'on the fly', can it at least seperate into instances? like instances 1-10 have triolic effect for those who've not done the missions and 20+ doesn't have it?
It should be able to, after all, that's how the holdings kinda work, isn't it?
It just breaks all kinds of immersion and basic common sense as it is now. And more pre-requisites. Right now it's got all the progressional structure of a Lego <franchise> game, where you can redo missions at will, do stuff in any order etc.
Has to decide, an MMORPG, or Star Trek Tomb Raider.
The possibilities for Expansion 2 discussed in this thread make me excited. How dare you. You're ruining the cynical and apathetic shell that keeps me safe from Cryptic disappointments.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
Personally, I am really curious about how the Borg are gonna respond to us.
Yeah yeah yeah, there are people around here who feel that the Borg should be removed from this game. Lets not go into details of how underpowered they are compared to TNG and such. Lets talk how the Collective would think.
They invaded the Alpha Quadrant and assimilated Vega Colony along with Gamma Orionis. Not much response from us, except for doing patrols in the area and containing what the Borg have, instead of reconquering the area.
Romulans begin to experiment with Borg technology, something the Borg are aware of. See the Romulan-created drone in Mind Game and Where Angels Fear to Pass (or whatever it was called anyway :P). Collective not happy about this.
We prevent their conquest of fluidic space and deal them major setbacks in plans to conquer the Alpha Quadrant (Borg storyline, STF backgrounds, Borg Incursions, Defera Invasion Zone). We even kill off a Queen, and we destroy at least 2 Borg Unimatrix Complexes. (Hive STF's and last Borgundine mission).
To me, that seems like we are turning the war, with the Borg invasion brought to a halt.
And now we show up in the Delta Quadrant, possibly in their backyard, with thousands of ships, commanded by experienced officers, to do whatever we want to do in the Delta Quadrant.
I have a feeling that the Collective will redirect its attention even more to us. Away from the Voth and from whatever they were targeting anyway. They have a very real thread sitting near their core territory. I'd move into defensive position and throw everything I have against the allied fleet, if I was the Borg.
Actually, I could see the borg , after reading that, doing something just like that. I had not considered them, with all the other races involved.
But yeah, Borg are almost a joke, maybe this would be a means of revamping them? I would love to see the Borg assimilator added in as an enemy. Not sure how the game would manage it's power set, but then I don't worry about it too much, since I'm not being paid LOL.
It could make for an interesting plot twist, for so long we where in fear of the Borg, and now the shoe is on the other foot. (as much as Borg feel fear anyways.)
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Meh...
That said: I am pretty sure people will die.
... guess we'll see in Expansion 2 later this year ...
That would have some serious tension built in. We came as friends before but now we're coming in hoards. In the books, Voyager goes back to the DQ with a small fleet. Yeah, that wouldn't terrify anyone right?
Imagine as word spread. I'd imagine panic, new alliances, distrust, hostility, and some great opportunities to revisit interesting twists.
But as for everything else, it seems like a good parallel to when European explorers first encountered North and South America. Then started bringing in settlers.
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Hint: The Iconians will be behind it pulling strings from the shadows, and it will involve going to war with every species encountered.
@ ktonof1aq, that is exactly what I was thinking also. Who knows, maybe we can also branch off and have the three main groups each exploring a different section of space, that test their own mettle. That could tie into thutmosis85's suggestion of smaller groups.
lol @ the Iconians though. I tell ya, I'm about ready to bash my head in the wall against them, even if it accomplishes nothing. Like the little mouse flipping off the Eagle, in the last great act of defiance.
Who knows, maybe we could get some other returning stars to revisit us in the game. Can you imagine Kes coming back? I wonder how much it would run to get Jennifer to do some voice over. Maybe have her play an ambassadorial role , or be the catalyst for surviving against said Iconians.
On the other hand, maybe not. the mystery of her character may be better served leaving it alone.
Still I can see many opportunities here, intrigue, war, maybe even a cold war brewing over control of the Dyson sphere. Get togethers like this always start off all fun and friendly, but eventually, we always wind up a feuding again.
"When old friends get together, everything else falls into insignificance. "
~~ War, Famine, Pestilence, and death.
Heck, I would be honored if even one of the foundry greats took the idea and ran with it.
Voyager had other plans.
I could, but I'm not a fan of throwing up in my mouth so I won't.
Honestly, the rest of the Delta Quadrant probably has more immediate concerns. With all the gates being opened, many of those races now have access to direct two way connections with one or more random parts of the galaxy. Hundreds of wars were probably started by opening those gates, even without the Elachi showing up around them as they did in the end of SoI and the pre-S8 event.
That might apply to the Solanae Sphere but the Jenolan Sphere? That is far deeper in.
janeway was not only a threat to every other race but to her ship, crew and herself. shes a traitor and reckless beyond reason. occasionally someone other then janeway gets contact with the crew of the voyager and manages to get some peaceful ground going, but sometimes a situation is just that bad and no way to prevent it. its a wonder the delta quadrant survived at all with janeway on the voyager. sarcastic or not, does not matter, she really is a threat to everything. as far as racial contact goes, thats a mixed bag, the talaxians dont really seem too concerned, the ocampa are too concerned with their own affairs, the kazon are more concerned with killing the trabe and each other. the borg are more interested in rebuilding, the voth want to expand the same with the likes of the devore imperium but remain completely in their own bubble, the hirogan are more or less dead or wondering aimlessly, the hierachy watches and attempts to raid, beyond that not much else... so on. it would depend really on the situation and how an enemy may treat another.
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What I'd like is to be pleasantly suprised, even shocked:eek:, with is Cryptic managing to create and explore storylines beyond "Iconians are behind it" and "Pwn thisX5".
Bring somekind of an exploration mechanic behind Ex.2. Make some of the species and adventure/social zones friendly, while others hostile and some even neutral. Heck, make some of them be friendly towards a certain faction, like Talaxians and Ocampa towards the Federation, others for the Klingon Empire, etc.
And for the love of Trek, finally get back into actual black space. Enough of the spheres and fluidic instances!
This, all of this.
Expansion 2 is a huge opportunity to retool the game away from combat, at least a little bit.
Exactly.
We have all those skillpoints we've spec'd into our skills, and all they do is somewhat modify our combat stats.
only in the last few months has there even really been any attention paid to people's careerpath in missions (beyond optionals)
Like in the mission 'seeds of dissent', you have to disable charges. low explosives skills = chance to set it off and fail the missio, or have it explode and cause injury, or have to do massive optionals to atone. An engineer with a high demolitions skill has a better chance of defusing it quickly, and without risk.
You know, actual 'skills checks' with consequences.
Right now people just respec for DPS and that's about it. There's no consequences, or drawbacks otherwise. There's not even a requirement that your bridge officers be anything except secondary DPS machines.
This MMORPG needs to do more RPG and less 3rd person shooter.
Hirogen will be like the ones in Rom space, maybe a few frienemies
the Higherachy will panic
the Krenim will be mostly neutral, or friendly-ish if they have learned about the Year of Hell
the Malons would most likely be split between the mildly hostile Political/Transporter establishment, and a friendly 'Green' like movement
the Kazon + the Trabe are both hostile, sort of like the last Breen Mission or a reverse Ker'at
the Swarm are just ultra hostiles
the Klingon Colony and the 37's would be very friendly
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There also needs to be something done with the map. If I'm in the middle of 'The 2800', it ruins it to know I can just go to DS9 still. It should be out-of-bounds.
Likewise, ESD should have the old model, albeit reduced in functionality now, until the player has completed surface tension, when they then unlock the new fully functional ESD.
It also bugs me that despite completing the Spectres chain, Drozana still shimmers 'triolically'.
If the engine can't manage to do those kinds of changes 'on the fly', can it at least seperate into instances? like instances 1-10 have triolic effect for those who've not done the missions and 20+ doesn't have it?
It should be able to, after all, that's how the holdings kinda work, isn't it?
It just breaks all kinds of immersion and basic common sense as it is now. And more pre-requisites. Right now it's got all the progressional structure of a Lego <franchise> game, where you can redo missions at will, do stuff in any order etc.
Has to decide, an MMORPG, or Star Trek Tomb Raider.
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Yeah yeah yeah, there are people around here who feel that the Borg should be removed from this game. Lets not go into details of how underpowered they are compared to TNG and such. Lets talk how the Collective would think.
They invaded the Alpha Quadrant and assimilated Vega Colony along with Gamma Orionis. Not much response from us, except for doing patrols in the area and containing what the Borg have, instead of reconquering the area.
Romulans begin to experiment with Borg technology, something the Borg are aware of. See the Romulan-created drone in Mind Game and Where Angels Fear to Pass (or whatever it was called anyway :P). Collective not happy about this.
We prevent their conquest of fluidic space and deal them major setbacks in plans to conquer the Alpha Quadrant (Borg storyline, STF backgrounds, Borg Incursions, Defera Invasion Zone). We even kill off a Queen, and we destroy at least 2 Borg Unimatrix Complexes. (Hive STF's and last Borgundine mission).
To me, that seems like we are turning the war, with the Borg invasion brought to a halt.
And now we show up in the Delta Quadrant, possibly in their backyard, with thousands of ships, commanded by experienced officers, to do whatever we want to do in the Delta Quadrant.
I have a feeling that the Collective will redirect its attention even more to us. Away from the Voth and from whatever they were targeting anyway. They have a very real thread sitting near their core territory. I'd move into defensive position and throw everything I have against the allied fleet, if I was the Borg.
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Meh... The borg are of no concern to me... If they get in the way, I just blast them...
But yeah, Borg are almost a joke, maybe this would be a means of revamping them? I would love to see the Borg assimilator added in as an enemy. Not sure how the game would manage it's power set, but then I don't worry about it too much, since I'm not being paid LOL.
It could make for an interesting plot twist, for so long we where in fear of the Borg, and now the shoe is on the other foot. (as much as Borg feel fear anyways.)