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Why does STO PVP mean so much to you?
thishorizon
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For me.....
It's Trek. I get to pilot my own starship.
The ship graphic models and overall look of the game is beautiful.
And most importantly, Trekkies are who I would like to surround myself with while gaming.
That's why I want good PVP in this game. I find myself logging in just to get that feel. Of being the captain of a starship in my favorite scifi universe.
It's not about grinding. Or gear, or anything else.
It's about sharing gaming time with other Trekkies to test our might against one another.
I guess one can keep on wishing for some solid mechanics. Maybe a different map here and there.
One of these days maybe someone will listen.
Until then, my brothers...
Second star to the right. And straight on till morning.
Have fun kill bad guys.
It's Trek. I get to pilot my own starship.
The ship graphic models and overall look of the game is beautiful.
And most importantly, Trekkies are who I would like to surround myself with while gaming.
That's why I want good PVP in this game. I find myself logging in just to get that feel. Of being the captain of a starship in my favorite scifi universe.
It's not about grinding. Or gear, or anything else.
It's about sharing gaming time with other Trekkies to test our might against one another.
I guess one can keep on wishing for some solid mechanics. Maybe a different map here and there.
One of these days maybe someone will listen.
Until then, my brothers...
Second star to the right. And straight on till morning.
Have fun kill bad guys.
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It's fun.
Takes more brainpower then the mindlessly pve content we have.
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
...warp 9, engage!
Graphics? Eve Online has better looking ships/environments and is better art directed, which is depending on the way you look at it, is either an astonishing achievement for CCP (given the nature of that game) or a damning indictment for Cryptic.
Mechanics? Bingo.
There (was) something nice and fluid to the mechanics of the game, capital ship based combat that featured a lot of RPG elements. Similar examples and it's not something I see anyone else trying to replicate (elite or star citizen are all going twitch)
It is really simple: Challange!
Stomping Pug's in faw-Scimi is not what it is all about!
Flying against 5 equally equiped/skilled ppl and having
a good time (sometime we even win
Greetz Siegfried
I care for it not a lick.
Why? Because I never liked star trek movies or shows because of their dps and pew pew.
Wargaming is selling this franchise short.
Indeed!
Never saying I'm good or anything like that, but it's the only place to test your build and what you know of the game. There's no real PVE challenge. The only "challenge" comes from cheesey 1-shots or invisitorps from the NPCs. They do not react like players do. They barely do any abilities at all. But players have a say in what they'll do in return. Some will be be terrible at it. Some will provide a challenge. Some will wipe the floor with you no matter what for that fight. But that's the spirit of it: Because a thinking, reacting player is a better challenge for the PVE that passes for this game. Unless you're familiar with the names, you don't know what you're getting.
Now the war is over, and for some reason we team up with Feds to help them kill each other and at the same time kill our own people...
there is no honor in that...
Nowadayz i'm a retire war veteran getting drunk and hanging out with RP'ers on the Drozana station while Cryptic try to figure out more ways to kill off PvP...
At first I completely embarrassed myself. Few, if any, of my PvE "skills" were worth much against a living, breathing, adaptable opponent. But as I got better - mostly by seeking out advice fro skilled players and then applying their lessons where possible - I found myself spending more and more time in Ker'rat, the queues, etc.
It's now to the point where I spend the vast majority of my STO time in some sort of PvP environment. In fact, I loathe those times when I'm forced to venture back into PvE in order to grind marks or other in-game currency.
Frankly, if there were a way to complete all of the grind requirements via PvP rewards, I would likely never bother with PvE content. But as it stands, we're forced to dip our toes back into that side of the pond from time to time in order to "keep up with the Joneses."
RCK
So now it's dying, and they have no one to blame but themselves.
The only thing that keeps me logging in from time to time is the chance at pew with the many friends that I've made during the years.
The reason is simple: it's the only end content that
A. Pays off the work invested into stuff. Everything else can be done with white mkix. Here is the only place equip does count. (Which is in return one of the reasons I don't pvp any more: at this point you can only use 2 or 3 equipment sets/builds, everything else has become so inferior to that it's boring again)
B. it used to be the only content with some variety. Infected? Can be done blind. The only surprises in any pve is to find out new degrees of stupiditys on other players and new ways how they can TRIBBLE up a mission that really can not be screwed up.
But the enemy's are all the same. Thee always the same enemy's in those grindet missions. They behave the same, they do the same thing, they react the exact same way to the exact same things.
In pvp you never know.
But looking at the op... For a "Star Trek feeling"... No that was never the case in pvp for me at all. Any dieing and resawning kills the immersion and that naturally happens constantly in pvp, if not to yourself then to your enemy. In good games to both.
I agree completely Zeras. PvP can be much better if they start to make some improvements but it's way more fun then 99% of grind-only stuff.
PvE is no challenge at all and Episodes are so rare(last one was actually surprisingly decent)
Super SpecialStar Trek Online Review
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We are Travelers
Why PvP? PvE is essentially a damage-fest. Not much point to any other role. Only in PvP can you actually pilot something that does no damage and still be an important part of the team. Drainers, healers, CCers, vapers, all of these are almost useless in PvE. Viral Matrix, SS, JS, Siphon, Tyken's, TB, all pointless.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Sure there are many more challenging games but those games can be too intense and kind of defeat the purpose of playing for fun. Video games should be fun - not frustrating.
I'm not sure whether I can agree with this. I've pulled my hair plenty of times due to STO. Lol.
But why pvp, because there are no other Star Trek games where I can fly my own ship and interact with other people such as this one and there is only so many times you can run the same pve mission before it becomes incredibly annoying.
Nothing is impossible to him who would try.... except getting cryptic to care about pvp.
I'm mostly a grounder tho and while the animation is clunky, the UI laggy and some of the new additions just make me scratch my head, I still thoroughly enjoy running around phaser in hand battling it out with other players.
Vanilla Ground PvP information
However, STO has pretty much changed my mind on PvP. It's the game where I have my first real PvP experience in an RPG-type setting. And I like it. I like going up against an opponent that reacts to what I do. I like the banter in Ker'rat. I like the way the PvP community seems to feel connected, even though there may be a petty argument here and there. I'm quite fond of the way people in this subforum test things, point out flaws, give advice and generally just want to have a good time shooting eachother.
R.I.P
I'm not really sure how to answer that one.
"Is it that it's Trek? You get to pilot your own starship?"
It's never quite felt like Trek. The game is far too starfighter compared to starship - oft feel as if it could have been a game for the Atari 2600 or Nintendo 8-bit. It's more arcade shooter than complex space battle game. It lacks the epic feel of battles that took place onscreen with Star Trek.
"What about the ship graphic models? Do you find the overall look of the game to be beautiful?"
Well, that's a yes and non about the models. Though, it's more no than yes and more yes than no depending on how I look at it. Lol, no pun intended - but the looking part plays a big role in that. For the most part, playing it from a distance of 1-3 ship lengths - so much of the detail simply is not seen. Some of the ships are damn amazing if you zoom in on them and just move around them while looking...but uh...whether in PvP or PvE - that's not what's happening, so the models don't really come into play. Besides, my preferred ships aren't really that good for PvP.
As for the overall look of the game? To be honest, I don't really find it all that good looking. It's hard to explain that...it's obviously going to be subjective...but compared to how space looks in EVE, eh? Oh well...
"What about being surrounded by Trekkies?"
I generally don't get along with Trekkies. I hate stereotyping, but so many of them are extremely delusional when it comes to Canon. They treat it like they watched a series on Discovery or the History Channel about Start Trek...rather than it being the inconsistent fiction that it was. Ships were invincible until they needed to be blown up - ships were blown up until they needed to be invincible. Trying to do an entertaining story massively overwhelmed any consistency - anything one could use Canon as a basis to discuss how something should or shouldn't work. With Star Trek, all Canon is - is what happened on screen - it doesn't tell us anything other than that because of all the plotmongering that took place.
"Do you find yourself logging in just to get that feel - of being the captain of a starship in my favorite scifi universe?"
Can't really say that Star Trek is my favorite sci-fi universe. I'd much rather be playing a game set in the Blade Runner IP or even some of Gibson's cypberpunk, eh? But Star Trek is definitely one of my longest running favorites - just not "the" favorite.
And like I said, STO stopped feeling like Trek a long time ago...meh.
"So uh, VD - just why do play STO and why do you PvP in STO?"
Hell if I know...I guess it's like I said in another thread, it's kind of just become habitual. Wake up, take a leak, check my sugar, take a shot, go for a smoke, eat something, go for a smoke...at some point I'll log in to STO...it's just part of my day...
...if they continue upon a path of trying to kill PvP, though - er - even though I don't PvP anywhere near as much as I did; I'd probably kick the STO habit and move along. I can only take so much of the PvE in the game - I can only take so much of the chat in the game - I can only take so much of the forums for the game...then I have to go blow folks up and get blown up by folks. It's a release valve of sorts...without it, I wouldn't go near this game with a ten thousand foot pole.
^^ This ^^
Unfortunatly, with each login it becomes more and more obvius that PVP is dying...
Takes more effort than outsmarting mindless, computer-driven, script-based NPCs.
I can pilot the ships I love.
Point with PvP is that there's NOTHING wrong with it. It's PvE heroes who don't like giving themselves a run for the money and complain about other people's deep knowledge of the game.
My first PvP was in a sovvie, rainbow beams, worse than lame consoles and equipment, no clue of what TT was. I got obliterated by a tac JHAS. My first reaction when I warped out wasn't of rage, but excitement of what I could do as a tactical captain. From there I started my PvP adventure.
Yes I do. Sometimes I even question if I'm lone wolf with that idea...
When you meet a more skilled/better geared player there's nothing much you can do apart dying. Blaming PvP as ultimate excuse for everything really got me sick tired that I don't care anymore to what others say about it.
You fight a cloned copy of yourself. The cloned copy plays more and has more experience. You would expect the more experienced version of yourself to win.
You fight a cloned copy of yourself. The cloned copy has much better gear than you. You would expect the better geared version of yourself to win.
That's all fine and dandy...but uh...with all the RNG and gimmicks...it's extremely easy to set up the scenarios where you could fight the cloned copy of yourself that not only has more experience than you but is also better geared...and you could still win.
There's all sorts of things wrong with STO...
Assuming I can fight a theoretical perfect copy of me with the exact same skills and ship will lead the match to a stall, or until someone randomly gets kissed by a lucky series of crits and ends it.
Even in such case, STO is team based. To win someone better than you, you need to have him making errors that will lead him to defeat. You can't predict perfectly the outcome of a fight, but you can make a very close speculation based on the opponents' skills and ships. Note that I've said "there's nothing much you can do...". It means there is something, just harder to come by.
Yesterday I had the pleasure of fighting a very good fleetie, flying a JHAS with evident advantages over my FPER that we both recognized. As a romulan he had thru the roof crit stats compared to mine (10% more CrtH, 30% more CrtD), was using Elite Fleet Shields with resist to phasers, while I didn't for his energy type. In the end it was quite obvious he had the edge over me. I nearly had him twice, once I pushed him to 4%. Even if officially I didn't get any kill, I consider the whole situation. Who and under what form had the advantage? How did I do? How did he do? Could I have done better? When I got out, we deeply thanked each other for the nice fights and I was proud of my performance because I demonstrated I was able to hold my ground. I've shown I'm a skilled PvPer who fights until hull melts down. There's more beyond a mere leaderboard with numbers.