Borg 2 piece and valedore console are equipment, they have nothing to do with a2b/nona2b and nothing prevents you from using them with a2b. A2damp doesn't make much of a difference in tank rather than movement, btw. You're trying too hard to come up with an exception, which wouldn't disprove the rule anyway, had it worked. This particular nona2b fit doesn't actually have more tank than a2b, not by a long shot. Given the low shield power, you'll have to set universal lieutenant commander to eng, sacrificing tac, doubling up on eng tanking skills to mach a2b's singles, to even have a chance to outtank a2b layout.
And that's why I put it up. I get similar enough performance, DPS and tanking between the two builds, even though one should be superior by a wide enough margin to be noticeable. I'm sure that if I parse it, one will be noticeably better.
Here's a thing about Scimitar. People tend to enhance firepower at cost of any kind of resistance, like I do. (recently gave up HE1 for PH1 and kept TB2, it tends to be far more useful in the end aaaand that's no heals from boffs). With a hull strength of 40000 base and 1.1 shield modifier it can take a beating if you stock up on neutroniums. More likely you didn't, mainly because of set I guess. Scimitars tend to look like made of thin glass instead of what the can potentially tank in the end.
And that's why I put it up. I get similar enough performance, DPS and tanking between the two builds, even though one should be superior by a wide enough margin to be noticeable. I'm sure that if I parse it, one will be noticeably better.
Who says anything is flat out "superior?" One is superior by a wide margin in tanking, and inferior by a small margin in dps. You're parsing dps, where your nona2b fit that doesn't have dem and having only 1 eptw had its dps lowered to match that of the a2b fit. What you couldn't manage is increasing its tank to match, not by a long shot. All it means is your particular nona2b fit has had its max dps artificially lowered, it doesn't disprove anything regarding dps potential and tanking potential of a2b vs nona2b scimitar.;)
Here's a thing about Scimitar. People tend to enhance firepower at cost of any kind of resistance, like I do. (recently gave up HE1 for PH1 and kept TB2, it tends to be far more useful in the end aaaand that's no heals from boffs). With a hull strength of 40000 base and 1.1 shield modifier it can take a beating if you stock up on neutroniums. More likely you didn't, mainly because of set I guess. Scimitars tend to look like made of thin glass instead of what the can potentially tank in the end.
Exactly. You either live or die. Excess tank doesn't gain you anything, but extra dps can always kill faster. For someone who can live by minimal tank anyway, a slightly higher dps potential from nona2b (all gank fit, not artifically gimped fit) is worth more than extra tank that you don't need. This is why some ppl go for nona2b all gank fit, it doesn't explain why someone would use an artificially gimped nona2b fit that gave up tank for no dps gain.
I have a Scimitar and I have a Advance Dyson Aves,
I Prefer my ADA, It has high defense(for a ship that's not an escort), its "Omega mega beam" doesn't require you to stop, its fragile, but then again it has every low base HP and decent Shields so I cant fly her like an escort, but I can still be aggressive.
I Like the Scimitar as a change of pace, If it gets turned into a green cloud in Estfs so be it, I am not dropping cash on the valdor console, nor am i grinding 20 million creds for a plasmonic leech.
I have neither the time nor inclination, but it is an enjoyable ship in its own right, and flying it is a challenge, I suppose that's all I can ask for.
I have a Scimitar and I have a Advance Dyson Aves,
I Prefer my ADA, It has high defense(for a ship that's not an escort), its "Omega mega beam" doesn't require you to stop, its fragile, but then again it has every low base HP and decent Shields so I cant fly her like an escort, but I can still be aggressive.
I Like the Scimitar as a change of pace, If it gets turned into a green cloud in Estfs so be it, I am not dropping cash on the valdor console, nor am i grinding 20 million creds for a plasmonic leech.
I have neither the time nor inclination, but it is an enjoyable ship in its own right, and flying it is a challenge, I suppose that's all I can ask for.
What does it matter with the topic?
You can't compare Scimitar vs a hybrid science vessel.
It's like comparing potatoes and tomatoes.
The Karfi has higher defense rate than the scimitar, its faster and has better turn rate. This translates in more hard to hit / kill. Simple. My Karfi with 2 RCS MKXII consoles has better turn rate than the mogai lol. Plus, a science commander station, and lt. com engineer gives it more survivality than the scimitar. This is for basics, but of course a good player can make a scimi a really tanky ship.
The Karfi has higher defense rate than the scimitar, its faster and has better turn rate. This translates in more hard to hit / kill. Simple. My Karfi with 2 RCS MKXII consoles has better turn rate than the mogai lol. Plus, a science commander station, and lt. com engineer gives it more survivality than the scimitar. This is for basics, but of course a good player can make a scimi a really tanky ship.
Karfi has its own shortcomings. It's a tac short of doubling up on the essentials (tt, beta and faw), and can't be made a2b to get around it. It actually don't tank well, due to focus on tac and science leaving little room for eng, as well as not compatible with a2b. The dual grav wells plus tac firepower is a winner though.
The Karfi has higher defense rate than the scimitar, its faster and has better turn rate. This translates in more hard to hit / kill. Simple. My Karfi with 2 RCS MKXII consoles has better turn rate than the mogai lol. Plus, a science commander station, and lt. com engineer gives it more survivality than the scimitar. This is for basics, but of course a good player can make a scimi a really tanky ship.
I thought using the 2-piece schmi set gives me the same turn rate?
I thought using the 2-piece schmi set gives me the same turn rate?
Set 2 needs to be explained. You get +2 turn (not to base, just a simple increase). While you're cloaked you get normally a dramatic improvement to turn rate. Set allows you to retain it as long as ambush lasts, easily extended to 15 seconds by a superior reman.
We know that answer. Damage. All about Damage. People WANT the high DPS numbers that are thrown around here. You can't blame them. Do high enough damage and you make the content of this game even more trivial than it laughably already is. You see posts about people discarding their perfectly good, capable, non-Scimitar Warbirds. You see people ditch their Fed, KDF toons with capable ships. They ditch them for wanting the highest damage possible.
And what ship unquestionably is Emperor in DPS in this game?
Scimitar.
And we're back at my question again: What do they spec the Scimitars for?
Damage.
That's why high defense, high science capable Scimitars (again, I'm referring to the pack not specifically just the 5 tac Scimitar) are very much in the minority.
For every one well played Scimitar you see out there, there's probably a whole rifle squad's worth of imploding ones leaving a galactic trail of Thalaron clouds.
hell i've actually STOPPED using my scimitar [even though it wasnt the most op spec out there] for either my ar'kiff or my t'liss since they r more fun to fly
Most people out there you see blowing up in a scimitar are not balancing their load out right. Its great if you want a super damage setup but you have to leave yourself with enough powers to keep yourself alive. The key is if your blowing up so easily you need to tone down the offense enough to where you can survive.
You can't really complain about the scimitar when you look at the ships in its weight class like the Odyssey and the Bortasqu'. The bortasqu' pretty much left the shipyard with enough handicaps to make kahless to want to go to gre'thor. Pretty much off the bat they stated they didn't design it to use cannons or torpedoes but 1/3 of the console set is a cannon. Then the snare itself became useless after they put in enough counters just for it and the subspace jumper so that 2/3 of the set became pretty much useless unless you just sit and never move and hope your target never moves either. Also the 3 pc set effects from it are so much of a joke it isn't even worth using altogether and they wondered why it didn't sell well. So unless they put in some counters to thalaron and such its really not bad of a ship when you look at the big picture.
Most people out there you see blowing up in a scimitar are not balancing their load out right. Its great if you want a super damage setup but you have to leave yourself with enough powers to keep yourself alive. The key is if your blowing up so easily you need to tone down the offense enough to where you can survive.
Also the 3 pc set effects from it are so much of a joke it isn't even worth using altogether and they wondered why it didn't sell well.
Completely and utterly wrong.
Let me illustrate with my scimitar PvP videos.
Survival through offense with high defense(not healing) and tactics(you can also see "tanky a2b RSP scimis" imploding) :
So, no RSP, DEM, Marion, Valdore, Borg set, A2B FAW beams, absolutely no healing on my tac scimi(1 ST for clearing sci stuff) and i still can kill and survive in PvP very, very good.
For PvE you can use A2B FAW DEM APB Marion Scimi with Spiral disruptors and do massive DPS(over 50k easily), but you can kill as fast(or faster) with DHCs and Torpedos even if you are doing less sustained DPS.
Just to provide another perspective.
There are many more videos with scimi and other ships on channel.
So, no RSP, DEM, Marion, Valdore, Borg set, A2B FAW beams, absolutely no healing on my tac scimi(1 ST for clearing sci stuff) and i still can kill and survive in PvP very, very good.
For PvE you can use A2B FAW DEM APB Marion Scimi with Spiral disruptors and do massive DPS(over 50k easily), but you can kill as fast(or faster) with DHCs and Torpedos even if you are doing less sustained DPS.
Just to provide another perspective.
There are many more videos with scimi and other ships on channel.
Lol good videos as usual, I always get some laughs from these!
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And that's why I put it up. I get similar enough performance, DPS and tanking between the two builds, even though one should be superior by a wide enough margin to be noticeable. I'm sure that if I parse it, one will be noticeably better.
Who says anything is flat out "superior?" One is superior by a wide margin in tanking, and inferior by a small margin in dps. You're parsing dps, where your nona2b fit that doesn't have dem and having only 1 eptw had its dps lowered to match that of the a2b fit. What you couldn't manage is increasing its tank to match, not by a long shot. All it means is your particular nona2b fit has had its max dps artificially lowered, it doesn't disprove anything regarding dps potential and tanking potential of a2b vs nona2b scimitar.;)
Exactly. You either live or die. Excess tank doesn't gain you anything, but extra dps can always kill faster. For someone who can live by minimal tank anyway, a slightly higher dps potential from nona2b (all gank fit, not artifically gimped fit) is worth more than extra tank that you don't need. This is why some ppl go for nona2b all gank fit, it doesn't explain why someone would use an artificially gimped nona2b fit that gave up tank for no dps gain.
I Prefer my ADA, It has high defense(for a ship that's not an escort), its "Omega mega beam" doesn't require you to stop, its fragile, but then again it has every low base HP and decent Shields so I cant fly her like an escort, but I can still be aggressive.
I Like the Scimitar as a change of pace, If it gets turned into a green cloud in Estfs so be it, I am not dropping cash on the valdor console, nor am i grinding 20 million creds for a plasmonic leech.
I have neither the time nor inclination, but it is an enjoyable ship in its own right, and flying it is a challenge, I suppose that's all I can ask for.
What does it matter with the topic?
You can't compare Scimitar vs a hybrid science vessel.
It's like comparing potatoes and tomatoes.
When did I compare them?
All I said is I prefer the style of the ADA over the Scimitar and that the Scim is a good change of pace and a challenge to fly.
Karfi has its own shortcomings. It's a tac short of doubling up on the essentials (tt, beta and faw), and can't be made a2b to get around it. It actually don't tank well, due to focus on tac and science leaving little room for eng, as well as not compatible with a2b. The dual grav wells plus tac firepower is a winner though.
I thought using the 2-piece schmi set gives me the same turn rate?
Set 2 needs to be explained. You get +2 turn (not to base, just a simple increase). While you're cloaked you get normally a dramatic improvement to turn rate. Set allows you to retain it as long as ambush lasts, easily extended to 15 seconds by a superior reman.
Most people out there you see blowing up in a scimitar are not balancing their load out right. Its great if you want a super damage setup but you have to leave yourself with enough powers to keep yourself alive. The key is if your blowing up so easily you need to tone down the offense enough to where you can survive.
You can't really complain about the scimitar when you look at the ships in its weight class like the Odyssey and the Bortasqu'. The bortasqu' pretty much left the shipyard with enough handicaps to make kahless to want to go to gre'thor. Pretty much off the bat they stated they didn't design it to use cannons or torpedoes but 1/3 of the console set is a cannon. Then the snare itself became useless after they put in enough counters just for it and the subspace jumper so that 2/3 of the set became pretty much useless unless you just sit and never move and hope your target never moves either. Also the 3 pc set effects from it are so much of a joke it isn't even worth using altogether and they wondered why it didn't sell well. So unless they put in some counters to thalaron and such its really not bad of a ship when you look at the big picture.
Completely and utterly wrong.
Let me illustrate with my scimitar PvP videos.
Survival through offense with high defense(not healing) and tactics(you can also see "tanky a2b RSP scimis" imploding) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YoaQbgztEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYNaWdLVKr4
Joke Thalaron" and "joke science Tulwar" with no RSP, A2B and other funny stuff :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKHdEC-2eFg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2dIEKTQmjY
So, no RSP, DEM, Marion, Valdore, Borg set, A2B FAW beams, absolutely no healing on my tac scimi(1 ST for clearing sci stuff) and i still can kill and survive in PvP very, very good.
For PvE you can use A2B FAW DEM APB Marion Scimi with Spiral disruptors and do massive DPS(over 50k easily), but you can kill as fast(or faster) with DHCs and Torpedos even if you are doing less sustained DPS.
Just to provide another perspective.
There are many more videos with scimi and other ships on channel.
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Lol good videos as usual, I always get some laughs from these!
Darn pesky Vesta in the last one I noticed.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
thx. that Vesta was Starbucks's, yeah he survived few times on me in that match (even a thalaron) so i needed to switch to other less sturdy enemies
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i quit this game before duo i had the scimitar with my tack officer
and after i had him ad lvl 50 things turn out bad
it seems enemy's ship's lower my ship schield in a flash -.-
i think wtf my last free ship can tank easy 5 ships and this ship cant tank 1 ship
now i try again with a Reman eng and again the same problem
the scimi shields drop insane fast
and i put only the stuff i had on my old ship to my scimi
but there is rely something wrong with his DEFF
so why is a free ship better then a ship i pay a lot of real cash for
if any have this problem to and no how to solve it let me no thx
man you should really watch vids i linked.
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upgrade Scimitar... hmm... aren't you doing something wrong maybe?