And here I found myself so tempted to pitch an idea to the powers that be... a story about a Federation captain named Jamie T. Kirk, a short woman with a slight scottish accent and huge shoes to fill (and she resents every bit of that).
Even though she's not a direct descendent of a great Federation captain she's regarded as such and has to find a way out of that giant shadow so she can shine on her own abilities and merits.
And she would be a swordmaster who wields an ancient longsword... And has a fear of transporters (she'd rather use shuttles than transporters).
If a new TV series is made, they need to block anybody that was involved with the JJverse ...
Are you serious?
I mean really?
This is where the internet and blind rage just get in everyone's way.
I get it, the dislike of the new Trek movies. Fine.
But Bad Robot has been the company that made these television series:
Alias, Lost, Fringe, Person of Interest, Almost Human
Abrams' company has a proven track record in television and that list right there shows it can do action and story focus and everything in between. Once again, I understand you didn't like the Trek movies. But Bad Robot made Lost. And Fringe. And Almost Human. They do more than just explosions and lens flares. Especially on TV.
That being said, I doubt Bad Robot will be involved in a new Trek television series.
Not at all. You might have a point. TNG was 20 years removed from TOS, so we might need another ten years, although that hurts me to write <whisper>eeeek</whisper>. We'll have to entertain ourselves in the meantime.
Based on that 20 year criteria, I'd say we are due for a new series, seeing as tomorrow (May 23, 2014) is the 20th anniversary of the final episode of TNG, All Good Things (May 23, 1994).
If you're talking 20 years after Voyager, then, yeah, we may need a few more years yet.
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I don't hate the guy. He's a successful director, and I give him kudos for such. But when it comes to Star Trek, I truly believe deep down his heart was not in it. He's of the Star Wars crowd, and that's fine and all, but it reveals a lot of his motivations. I wish him well for the new Star Wars flick coming out. I'll certainly check it out. And I liked Star Wars for what it is, mindless entertainment. And come on, Han Solo, enough said.
(When I was a little kid, our class did a thing of voting who was like a star wars character. I got Han Solo. I'm impartial now, I must say.)
it was JJ's schlock movies that brought STO into existence.
Not True. The game of Star Trek Online was supposed to be the Star Trek we all know and love.
We have been told that the game was ALREADY in production, when CBS came to Cryptic and said "Guess what, guys. JJ Abram just blew up Romulus. You need to rewrite the entire game, to reflect that fact."
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I will say this. The complaints are valid, because the story telling was sloppy and the plot holes bigger than an Iconian gate. Who in their right mind exiles a crewman from a ship in motion inside a tiny shuttle with no supplies to a barren ice world? That was JJ's homage to Star Wars, specifically Luke Skywalker's antics on Hoth. That's JJ's pretentiousness, an almost flipping off trekkies.
For the eleven billionth time, J. J. ABRAMS DID NOT WRITE ST09! Nor did he write Into Darkness. You can blame Robert Orci (you know, the guy they tapped to helm the next Trek flick) and his erstwhile writing (or "writing") partner Alex Kurtzman for that. Considering that their previous genre outings included such wonders as Transformers: Dark Side of the Moon and Amazing Spider-Man 2, it may not be all that much of a surprise - and it certainly makes it plain that the director can only be blamed so far.
Take it easy, now. I'm not knocking him, per se. I'm just stating an observation. Both Kurtzman and Orci are Abrams' front men. You know good and well that Abrams was involved in their process.
For the eleven billionth time, J. J. ABRAMS DID NOT WRITE ST09! Nor did he write Into Darkness. You can blame Robert Orci (you know, the guy they tapped to helm the next Trek flick) and his erstwhile writing (or "writing") partner Alex Kurtzman for that. Considering that their previous genre outings included such wonders as Transformers: Dark Side of the Moon and Amazing Spider-Man 2, it may not be all that much of a surprise - and it certainly makes it plain that the director can only be blamed so far.
Abrams was the director. Barring Deus Ex Paramount, he had final say.
That being said, having seen both Transformers 3 (a spectacularly dumb movie saved only by Michael Bay's willingness to not take his movies seriously and his skill with explosions and cleavage) and Amazing Spider-Man 2 (racist, sexist garbage), I am dreading OrciTrek.
It will make ST5 look like First Contact, mark my words...
If a new series is made prime or JJverse would really depend on who made the series. If CBS does it then almost certain it would be in the prime universe as that is what they have the rights to. If Paramount did it then probably JJverse but even then I doubt they would base it on the Enterprise unless they decided not to do anymore movies after the 3rd one, plus the difficulties/cost of getting all the actors to sign on to do a series unless they used different actors for the series which would have the fans confused and/or in an uproar.
Personally I would like to see one of 3 options in the prime verse.
1. Federation getting back to exploration after the dominion war based on either a Luna or Vesta class ship but not the Titan or the Aventine. Maybe exploring the gamma quadrant in the opposite direction of the Dominion.
2. Klingon perspective, "Exploring" space beyond their borders for new worlds/resources in order to rebuild after the dominion war.
3. Romulan perspective, Dealing with the aftermath of the destruction of Romulus and their own exploration of space beyond their borders for new worlds/resources to expliot.
The problem I have of JJ and co with Star Trek, is they are clearly not Star Trek fans. They even say as much in the commentary on ST2009. They didn't really watch it before they got the movie gig, and they didn't watch it after or during production.
The result is they didn't really understand Star Trek and what made it different then every other "Hey we are in Ships, in SPACE" series out there.
Add on to that all the blaring plot holes designed to get everyone to where they were at TOS ep 2 at Transwarp speed and it just didn't come off good.
Orci and Kurtzman claim that they are fans. And they wrote that drek.
For that matter, Marshak and Culbreath are fans, and they gave us The Price of the Phoenix and The Fate of the Phoenix. Fandom alone doesn't guarantee good results.
Just thought I'd throw this out there but the prime vs JJ universe is becoming one of the great schisms in history like Eastern Christianity vs Western Christianity, Catholic vs. Protestant, Windows vs. Mac...
If they came out with a new series now it wouldn't work. They'd try to introduce too much action and little story. I'd say it's best to wait five or seven years after the next movie and start a prime universe series with a fresh approach.
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Orci and Kurtzman claim that they are fans. And they wrote that drek.
For that matter, Marshak and Culbreath are fans, and they gave us The Price of the Phoenix and The Fate of the Phoenix. Fandom alone doesn't guarantee good results.
And Nicholas Meyer wasn't a Star Trek fan, and he gave us TWOK.
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Ok It's not much, but I just read a rumor, and I am bring it here to these boards.
The rumor goes.
The Next Star Trek Series will begin, after the Last JJ movie raps up production.
And get this......
They want to cast a younger Deanna Troi, if they reboot TNG.
Again this a just a rumor, so take it as it is.
I know we will get a new show, question really is.....what type of show will it be, and what differention will it go it? I know we all want a Primeverse series, at least the next show should be that. And if they make a spinoff, that one can be whatever I guess.
I thought the movie and TV rights were separate entities brought on by the Viacom Split? Paramount had the rights for the films and CBS kept the rights for TV which was why they can't use the movie designs in the game and did the "re-envisioning' in the first place?
Personally I would like to see a new show in the original universe. Set on the Avantine with Ezri Dax would be my personal choice, But any show set post voyager in the main universe would make me happy. On a side note.....What was wrong with Amazing Spiderman 2?
I thought the movie and TV rights were separate entities brought on by the Viacom Split? Paramount had the rights for the films and CBS kept the rights for TV which was why they can't use the movie designs in the game and did the "re-envisioning' in the first place?
CBS and Paramount are very CLOSE companies with many of the same owners.
They already work closely together and CBS signs off on references to the past shows and films in the new movies, as I understand it.
They co-license things like the ongoing Star Trek comic since it uses the movie verse but bases many plots on TOS.
CBS, I pray thee, no rebooting Next Generation. We need a "more nexter" (sic) generation. We need new technology. (LCARS is outdated). We need the means go beyond the bounds of the Alpha-to-Delta quadrants. Granted, we don't need a Stargate Universe scenario, but transwarp and slipstream should be norms.
Let's skip ahead another 30 years beyond STO to a time when Starfleet has developed Slipstream enough that it is sending out its first explorations of other galaxies. The USS Magellan, an upgraded Odyssey-class cruiser (chosen because the Odyssey's hull is designed especially for slipstream and it has a large auxilliary craft for side missions) is sent to be the first Federation starship to explore the Large Magellanic Cloud, the largest of the Milky Way's satellite galaxies. Call the show "Star Trek Magellan". Sending them to another galaxy puts them far enough from the beaten path that they are partially on their own (they could have subspace contact with Starfleet, but even with Slipstream speed it's weeks before help could arrive).
Let's skip ahead another 30 years beyond STO to a time when Starfleet has developed Slipstream enough that it is sending out its first explorations of other galaxies. The USS Magellan, an upgraded Odyssey-class cruiser (chosen because the Odyssey's hull is designed especially for slipstream and it has a large auxilliary craft for side missions) is sent to be the first Federation starship to explore the Large Magellanic Cloud, the largest of the Milky Way's satellite galaxies. Call the show "Star Trek Magellan". Sending them to another galaxy puts them far enough from the beaten path that they are partially on their own (they could have subspace contact with Starfleet, but even with Slipstream speed it's weeks before help could arrive).
First, I love the name "Star Trek Magellan". The man's life conjures images of dangerous but rewarding exploration. I agree on exploring a satellite galaxy, and the large Magellanic Cloud would, of course, tie to the name. However, I'd think they'd start by exploring our closest neighbor first, and that (to our best current knowledge) would be the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy, whose location is actually closer to Sol than the Milky Way core. CMDG also has a lot of older stars, suggesting,from a sci-fi standpoint, older races and mysterious, extinct civilizations. Perfect for an explorer show.
Let's skip ahead another 30 years beyond STO to a time when Starfleet has developed Slipstream enough that it is sending out its first explorations of other galaxies. The USS Magellan, an upgraded Odyssey-class cruiser (chosen because the Odyssey's hull is designed especially for slipstream and it has a large auxilliary craft for side missions) is sent to be the first Federation starship to explore the Large Magellanic Cloud, the largest of the Milky Way's satellite galaxies. Call the show "Star Trek Magellan". Sending them to another galaxy puts them far enough from the beaten path that they are partially on their own (they could have subspace contact with Starfleet, but even with Slipstream speed it's weeks before help could arrive).
I'm getting a Stargate: Universe vibe here. I'm all for the idea, I just would hope they don't TRIBBLE it up like they did with SG:U.
Whats wrong with Frakes beeing the Captain still... its not like he is 90 or something...
frakes looks along way from where he was on nemesis, hes put on weight which hes allowed to at his age and hes seen better days for sure. there is no way he will get back into that seat, not unless he gets on the treadmill and was serious about it. but considering his recent ncis la appearance, i cant see that he would be too bothered about it.
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I hope not. I'm tired of Star Trek reboots. The original TNG and TOS were fine the way they were. IMO I think this is telling of JJ Abrams lack of creativity. I would rather he come up with a new ship and a new crew and an original story. Right now he is just mooching off of the success of Gene Roddenberry.
First, I love the name "Star Trek Magellan". The man's life conjures images of dangerous but rewarding exploration. I agree on exploring a satellite galaxy, and the large Magellanic Cloud would, of course, tie to the name. However, I'd think they'd start by exploring our closest neighbor first, and that (to our best current knowledge) would be the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy, whose location is actually closer to Sol than the Milky Way core. CMDG also has a lot of older stars, suggesting,from a sci-fi standpoint, older races and mysterious, extinct civilizations. Perfect for an explorer show.
True, there are closer satellite galaxies, but the Large Magellanic Cloud is the biggest and has the most name recognition and, as you said, captures the imagination as a "theme" for the show. The LMC also shows signs of having originally been a small spiral galaxy, but its spiral structure is now mostly disrupted by close passes with the Milky Way and other satellites. It feels more like it's a "full" galaxy in its own right rather than a "fragment" or a "dwarf".
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Are you serious?
I mean really?
This is where the internet and blind rage just get in everyone's way.
I get it, the dislike of the new Trek movies. Fine.
But Bad Robot has been the company that made these television series:
Alias, Lost, Fringe, Person of Interest, Almost Human
Abrams' company has a proven track record in television and that list right there shows it can do action and story focus and everything in between. Once again, I understand you didn't like the Trek movies. But Bad Robot made Lost. And Fringe. And Almost Human. They do more than just explosions and lens flares. Especially on TV.
That being said, I doubt Bad Robot will be involved in a new Trek television series.
But damn man, let the JJ-hate go.
Based on that 20 year criteria, I'd say we are due for a new series, seeing as tomorrow (May 23, 2014) is the 20th anniversary of the final episode of TNG, All Good Things (May 23, 1994).
If you're talking 20 years after Voyager, then, yeah, we may need a few more years yet.
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I don't hate the guy. He's a successful director, and I give him kudos for such. But when it comes to Star Trek, I truly believe deep down his heart was not in it. He's of the Star Wars crowd, and that's fine and all, but it reveals a lot of his motivations. I wish him well for the new Star Wars flick coming out. I'll certainly check it out. And I liked Star Wars for what it is, mindless entertainment. And come on, Han Solo, enough said.
(When I was a little kid, our class did a thing of voting who was like a star wars character. I got Han Solo. I'm impartial now, I must say.)
We have been told that the game was ALREADY in production, when CBS came to Cryptic and said "Guess what, guys. JJ Abram just blew up Romulus. You need to rewrite the entire game, to reflect that fact."
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I'm with you on that.
Take it easy, now. I'm not knocking him, per se. I'm just stating an observation. Both Kurtzman and Orci are Abrams' front men. You know good and well that Abrams was involved in their process.
Abrams was the director. Barring Deus Ex Paramount, he had final say.
That being said, having seen both Transformers 3 (a spectacularly dumb movie saved only by Michael Bay's willingness to not take his movies seriously and his skill with explosions and cleavage) and Amazing Spider-Man 2 (racist, sexist garbage), I am dreading OrciTrek.
It will make ST5 look like First Contact, mark my words...
Personally I would like to see one of 3 options in the prime verse.
1. Federation getting back to exploration after the dominion war based on either a Luna or Vesta class ship but not the Titan or the Aventine. Maybe exploring the gamma quadrant in the opposite direction of the Dominion.
2. Klingon perspective, "Exploring" space beyond their borders for new worlds/resources in order to rebuild after the dominion war.
3. Romulan perspective, Dealing with the aftermath of the destruction of Romulus and their own exploration of space beyond their borders for new worlds/resources to expliot.
The result is they didn't really understand Star Trek and what made it different then every other "Hey we are in Ships, in SPACE" series out there.
Add on to that all the blaring plot holes designed to get everyone to where they were at TOS ep 2 at Transwarp speed and it just didn't come off good.
For that matter, Marshak and Culbreath are fans, and they gave us The Price of the Phoenix and The Fate of the Phoenix. Fandom alone doesn't guarantee good results.
If they came out with a new series now it wouldn't work. They'd try to introduce too much action and little story. I'd say it's best to wait five or seven years after the next movie and start a prime universe series with a fresh approach.
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I thought the movie and TV rights were separate entities brought on by the Viacom Split? Paramount had the rights for the films and CBS kept the rights for TV which was why they can't use the movie designs in the game and did the "re-envisioning' in the first place?
Want.
really really really want
CBS and Paramount are very CLOSE companies with many of the same owners.
They already work closely together and CBS signs off on references to the past shows and films in the new movies, as I understand it.
They co-license things like the ongoing Star Trek comic since it uses the movie verse but bases many plots on TOS.
Let's skip ahead another 30 years beyond STO to a time when Starfleet has developed Slipstream enough that it is sending out its first explorations of other galaxies. The USS Magellan, an upgraded Odyssey-class cruiser (chosen because the Odyssey's hull is designed especially for slipstream and it has a large auxilliary craft for side missions) is sent to be the first Federation starship to explore the Large Magellanic Cloud, the largest of the Milky Way's satellite galaxies. Call the show "Star Trek Magellan". Sending them to another galaxy puts them far enough from the beaten path that they are partially on their own (they could have subspace contact with Starfleet, but even with Slipstream speed it's weeks before help could arrive).
First, I love the name "Star Trek Magellan". The man's life conjures images of dangerous but rewarding exploration. I agree on exploring a satellite galaxy, and the large Magellanic Cloud would, of course, tie to the name. However, I'd think they'd start by exploring our closest neighbor first, and that (to our best current knowledge) would be the Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy, whose location is actually closer to Sol than the Milky Way core. CMDG also has a lot of older stars, suggesting,from a sci-fi standpoint, older races and mysterious, extinct civilizations. Perfect for an explorer show.
I'm getting a Stargate: Universe vibe here. I'm all for the idea, I just would hope they don't TRIBBLE it up like they did with SG:U.
frakes looks along way from where he was on nemesis, hes put on weight which hes allowed to at his age and hes seen better days for sure. there is no way he will get back into that seat, not unless he gets on the treadmill and was serious about it. but considering his recent ncis la appearance, i cant see that he would be too bothered about it.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
True, there are closer satellite galaxies, but the Large Magellanic Cloud is the biggest and has the most name recognition and, as you said, captures the imagination as a "theme" for the show. The LMC also shows signs of having originally been a small spiral galaxy, but its spiral structure is now mostly disrupted by close passes with the Milky Way and other satellites. It feels more like it's a "full" galaxy in its own right rather than a "fragment" or a "dwarf".