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kiloace
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So....now that the war between the FEDs and the KDF is over, PvP is purely war games and a galactic triumvirate has been formed, can we foresee a fully independent Romulan faction? :rolleyes:
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lol a pretty dream but Im sure cryptic will cough up another excuse as to why not
I'm not entirely sure on it, so someone who's been around longer than me can feel free to share, but if I remember right it took a rather long time for the KDF to have a single tier 5 starbase. (Again, if anyone's around to say how long it took, feel free, too new to have been around.)
While I don't mind the idea from a fluff point of view, mechanically it's a tradeoff I'm not sure I'd make.
The hard question is what to do about universal consoles on allied ships. If you are allied to KDF and you bought a Vandal Destroyer for Plasmonic Leach, you dont want to lose access to it. And its not fair that Roms have access to allied consoles but allies dont have access to Romulan consoles, so its a bit of a stickler. I would say the way to do this is to let people choose to either join the full Romulan or to have their toons become full members of the allied faction, eg Romulan as a species belonging to the KDF. This could even be how the option is presented at level 10... do you want to join one of the allied factions or join the republic. It would be a way to let the OP species fully join the other factions. And you'd get to fly the cool T5 faction ships with your romulan toon.
I find it unlikely that anything significant will happen. They are rushing the next expansion already, they are done working on romulans.
Romulans don't need to be their own faction, because factions in this game are dumb.
>Cynicism
>Talking out the butt about game design issues they know nothing about
>Attributing everything they don't like to "laziness"
>Demanding special treatment on reps when the 2nd best weapon type in the game was the first thing introduced to the new paradigm
You have some valid points, but christ in heaven, check your privilege. It'll be better for your blood pressure :mad:
Uhh l2read, nowhere did I attribute anything to laziness. Nothing is done in this game unless the benefits outweigh the costs, the point is creating the art for a Romulan starbase far outweighs the costs of the things I just listed with minimally more benefit so if none of those things are done the chances of this is nil., it's economics 101. And pointing out inequality != privilege. Apparently being realistic is too much for you.
Having an academy, a security officer, rom/reman DOFF mission/commendation reward, a KHG/MACO like set, a "Lleiset" equivalent of the bortasqu'/odyssey fleet uniform etc... are still missing.
But that alliance of theirs needs equalizing so its not all one-sided. Fed/KDF players should also get access to Romulan facilities, boffs, doffs, Tier 1-4 ships, etc.
Less factionalization, not more.
The Federation and Klingons aren't quite that friendly yet, but they should at least be allowed to team up for the battlezones, Defera, etc.
I wouldn't mind having a Romulan starbase fleet holding, though, because we do need a new fleet holding. It would of course be a regular cross-faction holding, not a replacement for the starbases we already have.
I wonder how the fed would react if they didn't had the academy, and had to move to new romulus everytime they want to doff.
Also, currently the rom can do almost twice the amount of doff missions, compared to the other. It's a slight imbalance, but it's still not balanced.
You are comparing hubs with social zone. It's a strawman argument. The academy are used, sure for doffing mostly. But they have a use. Social area ? Not so much.
Fed and KDF have access to the rom rep, and access to rom exclusive tech. Also, they have an embassy, with more tech/boff.
Lorewise, that's how the alliance is built.
KDF and fed are probably not interested in decades old romulan ship. They already have theirs.
What's the point in playing a faction when you have everything in common, and everything is the same tasteless soup ? Just to play a different ship that will exist one or another for every faction ?
Embassy ? It's a romulan themed fleet holding, and it's cross faction.
--Red Annorax
Ah yes, the unique and exciting factions in Star Trek Online! With such features as . . . stuff that looks slightly different than other stuff, while having exactly the same functionality! And one faction having all the ship layouts, while the others are restricted! And making all your toons Feds or Fedroms, and only having a KDF for marauding!
Keep costume, boff, ship, starbase, and limited mission restrictions. Remove absolutely everything else about factions from this game immediately and forever, throw all the data backups into the furnace, and never speak of them again.
Death
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This "Anniversary Special" has just highlighted how badly it's needed (self aggrandizement incoming) I started a thread here, with just a few things, that I'd like to see, and funnily enough, most have been repeated here, or in the "News" thread for the LoR Anniversary Event ...
Yep right up to level 10.
Oh wait... I can't do none of that, while the other 2 factions can.
Romulan Academy?
Oh right, now I remember, right next to the new Crafting Halls, Just above the Reman Enclave ... I often sit in parks of Mol'Rihan city, talking to our newest fiends (and family) the Vulcan reunificationsts, whilst my Tactical and Science Reman BoFF's whom I have just commsioned, wander around the many stores selling Romulan Ale, and Romulan and Reman Armors or off duty clothing ... My mistake ...
They are all priorities. Really for Romulan Fleet Holding, only the Starbase, and the banners in the "Embassy" which might not be called an Embassy for Romulans.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Good one.
Let's not pretend this is a situation Cryptic can actually get out of. They either deal with people complaining about the ally system, or they deal with people complaining that they suddenly can't access their fleet holdings anymore. Look at the furor over the reputation trait revamp and how people felt shafted enough then.
Imagine how much worse it'll be if every Romulan is suddenly ejected from their fleets and have to do it all over again.
While I wouldn't object to a security officer/academy/etc (the less I have to go to ESD, the better, and my personal interpretation of some of the fluff makes me shy away from KDF-alignment on Romulans on account of the KDF invasion of the Star Empire after Hobus), a full faction split is completely implausible and will do more harm than good. (Seriously, any KDF players around who know how long it took for their starbases? Would be appreciated.)
This needs to be fixed. Even if Cryptic has to ask players to submit alternate dialog and do the work for them, as I for one would love to do.
2nd Romulans are one of the great powers of the galaxy even after the Supernova and we are insulted by not having our own faction, star base ect. from what I can tell the art for the most part already exists. One of the previous posters submitted that there would be an issue with cross faction consoles. Well no one said we couldn't keep the alliance, just that we would like the option of choosing to be only Romulan.
let the republic players continue as they are allied to one side or the other. But give players the chance to be conscripted by Hakeeve at the very beginning and join the Romulan Star Empire. It wouldn't take a huge stretch of imagination to change the name and picture of who you get your missions from, say as a spy for the Empress who secretly wishes to get rid of him. And it wouldn't even require a little more than tweaking the missions which needs to be done anyway. In fact on my first play through I was sure when we had the choice to surrender or not at the begging that this was what was going to happen.
Cryptic also needs to attach the Scimitar bridge to the rest of the ship, allow us to customize the crew uniforms, give the Romulans more ships to work with,(feds and kdf have 3 classes of ship every promotion) restore us to 50 base power on our ships, science vessels and command cruisers don't have to pay for their abilities in any way so why do war birds?) and last but not least the foundry, which we have to pay for, is so far below that of its sister foundry in Neverwinter which is also free to use, needs to have 3d editing and easily a hundred times more resources to use, there isn't even a Romulan bridge, which is just sad.
To any Cryptic employees who read this there is a multitude of talented players who would be more than willing to help effect some of these changes. I really hope you get a handle on this for the next season.
The ally system is not the problem. Making Romulans into a half faction is. Alliance does not necessitate subservience or second-class status. I'm a Romulan. I made a fleet. The vast majority of the members of my fleet are Romulan/Reman. It is therefore a Romulan fleet. I see no reason to have Klingon logos on everything at our starbase. I see no reason to have Klingon artistic motifs all over the station. I see no reason to have all the NPCs on the starbase be from the KDF faction, and none from the RRF. These are SIMPLE cosmetic changes which have no bearing on the status of the fleet itself and need not require starting over from scratch. The resources already exist in-game. It would be a matter of copy-pasting some code from Vauthil Station, the Flotilla, and New Romulus Command, and that's hardly something that Cryptic would find overwhelming.
I'd like them myself, but I don't think that's going to address much. Nor do I really think they're going to make an attempt at it, for that reason.
That said, I also don't think I'm infallible, so who knows?
A new Romulan fleet with Elite Romulan Weapons could be just that very thing.
I think the cosmetic options are probably the most we can expect, because it seems as if anything more will cause some group or another to throw bigger fits than there already are.
Although part of me does really want to see the dilithium store ground plasma weapon variants in a Mk XII, RomPlas, or Fleet version somewhere. I need to expand my collection of plasma specialist-fueled guns.
Aside from a full 5-track starbase that incorporates the Embassy featuires into it, because Romulans don't need a Romulan Embassy, obviously, so would buy their doffslots from the Starbase instead, it would thus come with the same Mine and Spire that current fleet holdings have.
Anyway, onto the rest of that...
I think the uniform Jarok and some of the others show up in (half the time in Jarok's case) is the Romulan Veteran uniform, actually. Others have...the Rom-KDF and Miner outfits, I believe?
As for Elite Plasma, can't say I'm entirely sure they'd do that, considering the existence of RomPlas rep weapons and the plasma damage boosts from the embassy science consoles/the singularity harness set (zero-point console/romulan hyper-plasma torpedo launcher/romulan experimental plasma beam array), which are probably why plasma got left out from the bio-molecular weapon variants and sets despite them catering to the iconic faction damage types for Feds/KDF. It's possible to stack quite a few extra damage boosts on plasma already. Plus if we count ground weapons, we can get more damage out of any plasma weapon than anyone else can, thanks to the Plasma Weapon Specialist trait available. I think others can match that boost with Phasers/Disruptors now via the Counter-Command ground set, which is a reputation set as opposed to what is now an easily slotted in-and-out trait that we get for free. But I'm rambling now.
The main things separating RomPlas weapons from being an equivalent to Elite Fleet weapons are the fact that those space plasma weapons and boosts are available cross-faction, despite being Romulan tech, and the part where Elite weapons have another modifier compared to RomPlas. We arguably don't need Elite Plasma ground weapons at all considering we already get more out of plasma than anyone else can for free. For space...well, see above. They have been very kind to plasma, really.
Now, I'll agree there need to be more ways to get a hold of more Romulan/Reman doffs, so I won't argue with that part whatsoever. Needs to be somewhere.
All in all, it's not that I think there aren't any holes to fill, there certainly are, but an entire extra fleet progression seems like...kind of a clumsy way to do it, especially with some of the issues I just went over.
A 'cosmetic" option is all that may be required ... A new project (or projects) that convert you current assets into Romulan/Reman themed ones, isn't that difficult to do ... And certainly an NEW Fleets would then have the option of creating those assets from scratch ...
I also think that you need to do a little more research ... We neither want to recreate, nor are we playing as the "shattered remnants of a gutted empire" ... Sela and the Tal Shiar have dine a fine job dismantling the old Romulan Star Empire, but who wants that again? and there are still many billions of Romulans and Remans "out there" that just need a place to call "Home" ...
We are creating a new Romulan Republic and this of course will take time but THIS will be the "New Home" for all ... Romulan, Reman and I hope Vulcan
The war is over at Point X in Time. The war is not over at Point Y in Time. Point X doesn't remove Point Y. We're constantly going back in time as we replay things.
"So...now" depends on what your actual "now" is - which may or may not involved the war being over. Up until the war is over, the war is not over.
BTW, PvP is not purely war games. The queues? Sure, that's changed. Or has it? When there were 50+ minute waits for a FvK queue and the vast majority of PvP in the queues was FvF war games...all this change did was at least allow the KDF to participate in all those war games that basically were the queued PvP in the game. But beyond that, there is still Ker'rat - which, because it is at a point in time before the war ended - is still Fed vs. KDF.
In the end, the way they added the Romulans as a "fraction" allows them to add more "fractions" in the future that folks may want. It's a method of futureproofing - thinking ahead. Imagine years down the road if the game had 5+ complete factions and how spread out the playerbase would become?