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kamiyama317
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The Bajorans are one of the most interesting species in Star Trek, and I would love to see Bajoran-themed ships added to the game.
Bajoran Raider (fighter craft)
The Bajorans have been flying Raiders since the days of the Bajoran Occupation, and are they are very good fighter pilots. These raiders, while of newer construction are still similar in design to those original fighter craft.
Comes with a special "Bajoran Phaser Dual Beam Bank S Mk. XII (Acc)x2 (Dmg) (CrtX)"
Has a unique color and sound effect. (more yellowish than orange)
Also has built-in Attack Pattern: Omega I
Console layout and hull strength up to Cryptic. Though personally I would like 2 tactical consoles.
Pictures of Bajoran Raiders: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bajoran_raider
Bajoran Kejal Class Carrier (Kejal - "Freedom" in Bajoran)
The backstory on these is that the Bajorans not wanting to ever have a repeat of the Occupation, knew that they would need to increase their military might. However Bajor is still rebuilding it's industry and only has the capability to build small raider craft and civilian vessels, so building a fleet of cruisers or battleships was out of the question.
Deep Space Nine is a Bajoran station under treaty, so they already have a shipyard handy capable of building large vessels. However history has proven that the status of this station may change at any time, so the Bajorans did not want to rely on it to build a large fleet. Furthermore Bajor doesn't have the resources to build many large ships. It was decided that a small number of carriers would be ideal, as they these vessels would not need to directly enter combat, and yet could deploy large numbers of raiders built by the homeworld to any point hundreds of light years away. This was seen as a perfect solution, and in 2384 the first Kejal-Class Carrier was born.
The design of the Kejal was intended to both maximize hull strength and minimize the amount of material needed in it's construction. It's hull is a dodechahedron with shielded shuttle bays on 10 of it's facings. One facing houses the deflector dish, while one houses the impulse thrusters. A single outer ring circles the hull that houses maneuvering thrusters and a warp ring (similar to that seen on the D'Kyr). The outer ring can spin and rotate independently of the hull as necessary for movement of the ship, and is held in place with small tractor beams. These rings can be easily replaced if damaged, as they are independent of the ship's hull. In addition to the shuttle bays, there are other small features on the hull such as communications arrays, and control towers. It's roughly spherical structure also allows the ship to fit inside Deep Space 9's pylons during it's construction.
The construction of these vessels would be seen as a controversial issue on Cardassia, as the ability of the Bajorans to project raider vessels into their space may be seen as a threat by certain die-hard factions in their government. This might even provide the basis for a featured episode.
I envision it as having the highest hull strength in the game, but a 0.9 shield modifier and a slow turn rate. It would have 5 engineering consoles for the ultimate hull tank (or at least one version of it, if there are multiple versions). I also entertain the idea of having 3 pet slots, but that might be OP. A possible idea for a unique universal console is one that exclusively buffs carrier pets - maybe one with a 3 minute cooldown that buffs pet flight speed, turn rate, damage, and ability cooldowns for 30 seconds.
Purchasing both the Kejal Carrier and the Bajoran Raider unlocks the ability to use the Bajoran Raider pets on the Kejal Carrier. The raider pets would have a DBB, one or two other energy weapons, Beam Overload I, and Attack Pattern Omega I.
Bajoran Raider (fighter craft)
The Bajorans have been flying Raiders since the days of the Bajoran Occupation, and are they are very good fighter pilots. These raiders, while of newer construction are still similar in design to those original fighter craft.
Comes with a special "Bajoran Phaser Dual Beam Bank S Mk. XII (Acc)x2 (Dmg) (CrtX)"
Has a unique color and sound effect. (more yellowish than orange)
Also has built-in Attack Pattern: Omega I
Console layout and hull strength up to Cryptic. Though personally I would like 2 tactical consoles.
Pictures of Bajoran Raiders: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bajoran_raider
Bajoran Kejal Class Carrier (Kejal - "Freedom" in Bajoran)
The backstory on these is that the Bajorans not wanting to ever have a repeat of the Occupation, knew that they would need to increase their military might. However Bajor is still rebuilding it's industry and only has the capability to build small raider craft and civilian vessels, so building a fleet of cruisers or battleships was out of the question.
Deep Space Nine is a Bajoran station under treaty, so they already have a shipyard handy capable of building large vessels. However history has proven that the status of this station may change at any time, so the Bajorans did not want to rely on it to build a large fleet. Furthermore Bajor doesn't have the resources to build many large ships. It was decided that a small number of carriers would be ideal, as they these vessels would not need to directly enter combat, and yet could deploy large numbers of raiders built by the homeworld to any point hundreds of light years away. This was seen as a perfect solution, and in 2384 the first Kejal-Class Carrier was born.
The design of the Kejal was intended to both maximize hull strength and minimize the amount of material needed in it's construction. It's hull is a dodechahedron with shielded shuttle bays on 10 of it's facings. One facing houses the deflector dish, while one houses the impulse thrusters. A single outer ring circles the hull that houses maneuvering thrusters and a warp ring (similar to that seen on the D'Kyr). The outer ring can spin and rotate independently of the hull as necessary for movement of the ship, and is held in place with small tractor beams. These rings can be easily replaced if damaged, as they are independent of the ship's hull. In addition to the shuttle bays, there are other small features on the hull such as communications arrays, and control towers. It's roughly spherical structure also allows the ship to fit inside Deep Space 9's pylons during it's construction.
The construction of these vessels would be seen as a controversial issue on Cardassia, as the ability of the Bajorans to project raider vessels into their space may be seen as a threat by certain die-hard factions in their government. This might even provide the basis for a featured episode.
I envision it as having the highest hull strength in the game, but a 0.9 shield modifier and a slow turn rate. It would have 5 engineering consoles for the ultimate hull tank (or at least one version of it, if there are multiple versions). I also entertain the idea of having 3 pet slots, but that might be OP. A possible idea for a unique universal console is one that exclusively buffs carrier pets - maybe one with a 3 minute cooldown that buffs pet flight speed, turn rate, damage, and ability cooldowns for 30 seconds.
Purchasing both the Kejal Carrier and the Bajoran Raider unlocks the ability to use the Bajoran Raider pets on the Kejal Carrier. The raider pets would have a DBB, one or two other energy weapons, Beam Overload I, and Attack Pattern Omega I.
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1. The year I picked may be off according to the timeline. However I believe in 2409 some Bajorans were considering becoming a member of the Federation? If they did the Constitution of the UFP should allow individual members to possess a military. Otherwise Andor and Vulcan wouldn't have their own militaries. In this case it would just have to be a newly commissioned ship class.
2. I don't see how that would invalidate a new Bajoran vessel. Humans didn't operate warp capable ships before Zefram Cochrane either. That didn't mean we couldn't learn.
Does this mean when the KDF want a new ship I can say:
"Oh, look. The KDF want a new [insert class of ship here], again."
That wouldn't be very nice, now would it? I think we can all agree that we all want new ships. Beating each other up over it isn't constructive.
Bajoran Raiders aren't Birds of Prey.
I could support having the assault ships seen in "The Siege" (DS9) also as a Lockbox/Lobi store ship. One could be a Tactical-focused, high turn rate, low hull cruiser, while the other one could be a sci-focused escort or a Tac focused scout/sci ship. Maybe from a Bajoran Lockbox?
Let me explain the other person's point of view (assuming I understand it).
Bajor never developed a warp capable ship prior or during the Cardassian Occupation. The result being there is no lore/canon friendly Bajoran Warp ship.
With the end of the Cardassian Occupation, Bajor still had no further need to develop warp capability. Either because they were disinterested in intersellar travel. Or they no longer required developing their own ships.
After the Cardassian Occupation, Bajor was a Federation protectorate. Meaning anything beyond their own system was largely defended by the Federation and their ships (and in fact their inability to defend themselves from outside/Cardassian forces was the whole reason they asked for Federation help). After becoming a Federation member, this would only be more so.
As for the Militia itself, while it probably would still exist, again it would be restricted to the Bajor System only. As any outside protection would come from Starfleet and their ships.
All of this means an Warp capable Bajoran Ship would be unnecessary and probably wouldn't be developed.
While I would love the idea of a Bajoran Warp ship, I don't see how you can Lorewise explain how they would have developed one, when it was an unnecessary use of resources.
And it does. However in this case the Militia never had much in the way of space capability (a few impulse-powered patrol ships and space fighters, all of which were hopelessly underpowered compared to any regular military vessel). Starfleet's just got better equipment so the Militia stays dirtside now.
No need for it.
Before the Occupation the Bajorans were pretty much self-sufficient so there was no pressing need to develop warp drive. During the Occupation they were ... occupied, if you'll pardon the pun. After the Occupation they had Starfleet to help them.
Buzzword issue. "Raider" in this game = glass cannon that gets a flanking bonus and lots of universal boff slots. Current examples are the Plesh Brek and Birds-of-Prey. You'll notice there aren't a lot of Plesh Breks running around so evidence suggests a raider without cloak (which it won't get because, well, see any "Feds need cloaks" thread) won't sell well.
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I also don't for a second believe the idea that they would simply leave all of their planetary security in the Federation's hands. Put yourself in their shoes for a moment. If Earth were invaded by aliens and decades later a new race of aliens came along and offered to provide us with all the protection we needed, would you really leave everything in their hands? Or would you demand that we build our own warships?
To What purpose and what end?
As a member of the Federation, they have Starfleet to protect them, So why do they NEED war capable ships? What does it serve to develop something that is redundant, when your interstellar defense and exploration needs are already met, By Starfleet?
Why do Andor or Vulcan need their own ships?
It's a matter of pride and personal security. I think any number of Bajorans would want their people to stand on their own and not need the Federation's constant oversight.
Excusing the in-game "Cause people wanted them", Those ships existed BEFORE the Federation. Both Vulcan and Andoria had warp capability before they even encountered Humans, So it is not outside the possibility that they would still have similar ships (though admittedly improbable).
Bajor is not the same. Prior to encountering other races, they were NOT warp capable. During the occupation, it is very likely intersellar travel was restricted. After that, Security outside their own system (meaning Warp Capability) was never a priority. Bajorans also lack the curiousity of humans to explore outside their own system.
All and all, it translates to developing an unnecessary technology. Even if you had a few cases of curious Bajorans, who wanted to see/explore outside their own system, Why would you develop your own technology, when signing up for Starfleet would yield the same results.
It's mentioned in one of Bajor-related missions that most of the younger generation of Bajorans are signing up for Starfleet. I think that speaks of a high curiosity to explore the universe around them. I can't help but wonder how many of these Bajoran Starfleet Cadets would have served on a Bajoran vessel if one was available?
I suspect Andor, Vulcan, and any number of other Federation worlds still build their own warp capable ships. I don't believe for a second that the Federation requires it's member worlds to disarm or get out.
Again building your own ships is a matter of pride and personal security. I wouldn't trust another race to protect my world for me - I would want earth warships protecting earth. You would naturally expect nearly any sentient race to desire the same. Why else would they have required DS9 to remain a Bajoran station? If they don't feel a need for interstellar travel, why would they need a gigantic space station?
That being said, they should emphasize the need to separate factions, otherwise not only is KDF gonna suffer, even Romulans will suffer. If anything, the Romulans getting raider bonus for the small Warburg make far more sense.
Fed is about traditional battleship battle with heavy gun tactics.
Klingons is about carrier and Bop raider (fighters). Favoring forward arcs and fast attacks, but tough it out if needed
Rom is about cloaking, hit and run. Thus even Scimitar is hard to control since it's not really their strength, but Mogai is.
But that is the whole point. There are (or could be) Plenty of ships to defend Bajor itself, but none of them are Warp capable (thus making lousy in-game ships). Warp capability is necessary to Leave a star system, not defend it.
While I don't doubt Vulcan and Andoria can continue to develop warp ships, this is because the technology exists. They had them before, and so making more is no different the making a non-warp capable ship.
But Bajor is different, They are not a warp capable species. To make Warp ships, would require the development of Warp technology. Which is an expensive endeavor.
This isn't about what the Federation does or does not allow (since I too do not believe they would restrict warp travel), but allocation of resources.
put it this way, If you were bajor, and you had Billions of dollars (which is what we are talking about here), which would you rather spend it on. Agriculture to improve the lives of your citizens, or Warp technology to travel beyond the borders of your own star system.
Warp Technology is redundant to Bajor. DS9, brings ships to Bajor, so interstellar trade is not an issue, and defense outside the borders of the Bajoran system is covered, so it is not necessary to allocate resources, best served elsewhere, to develop Warp capable ships.
As for the warp engines... get some old ones... shove them in the ship... boom... done.
It's also been 40 years since the Occupation ended. While these points may have been true immediately after the Occupation, they most likely are not in 2409. By now it would be time for Bajor to be building up it's industry and looking outward into the stars.
I actually don't have any problem with this. I have a Gorn toon that uses a Varanus ship which is not Klingon designed. One could argue that if the bajorans don't need/shouldn't have warp capable craft since they joined the Federation,Then the Gorn and the nausicans don't either since they were absorbed/defeated and the Kdf can provide protection for it's subject worlds.
Except as with the Vulcans and Andorians, The Gorn/Naussican ships existed BEFORE they became a subject race of the Klingon Empire, So it is probable that they would continue to have ships that already existed going forward.
My arguement against the Bajorans, is they DIDN'T have warp ships prior to becoming a Federation protectorate (beginning of DS9), and I don't see a reason for them to develop warp travel after being under the protection of the Federation, especially since the resources needed to develop warp travel would be better served elsewhere.
The Bajoran Sailboat is a tricky one, I will admit. If I remember correctly, it is technically NOT a warp ship, But rather rides (admittedly Extremely fast) on solar winds, or something. Even then the max speed to relative to the Phoenix.
But that doesn't require combat starships. It requires asteroid miners and a fleet of warp-capable freighters armed well enough to scare off the odd pirate, all of which can be bought used from the civilian market for far cheaper than developing their own ships.
As for the D'Kyr? It's a science vessel first and foremost that is armed to defend itself. You'll also notice there's not a whole lot of them flying around. The Andoscorts? Andorian culture is highly militaristic so it makes sense that they would insist on keeping independent space warfare capability (ISWC hereafter).
Bajor has no actual need to invest resources in developing ISWC because Starfleet has a major military base, Deep Space 9, just a couple AUs away. And I'm not seeing much canon support, either STO-canon or live-action canon, for a national pride-related desire for ISWC.
As for the solar sailer? Not controllably warp-capable. It hitched a ride on a naturally occurring tachyon field or some such BS.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
While the arguments for and against Bajorans getting a warp-capable vessel in the Zen store made good reading, ultimately I think the matter is pretty simple: there were warp-capable Bajoran ships, albeit admittedly low-profile ships not too often seen in the TV series.
I don't know how many of these ships Cryptic could sell at this stage of the game, with so many powerful lockbox and lobi and Fleet ships out there, since even I--a fan of the Bajorans--don't think one of these ships would be particularly powerful. I do think the sublight Bajoran fighters would make excellent and flavorful carrier pets and the "Bajoran assault vessel" that looks like an oversized fighter might make a really fun escort or Federation raider. Perhaps one of these larger assault ships/transports/weaponized freighters could be offered as a more nimble but lightweight Federation carrier with 2 hangar bays? Perhaps Starfleet's equivalent of the Kar'fi? Then you could have Bajoran fighters as fighter pets and the larger "Bajoran assault vessel" as frigates, with playable versions of both of those.
I'd totally buy that.
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