its funny this thread should be here because i was actually thinking yesterday that it would be cool to have some historic uniforms on from some of the world wars. (minus some of the insignia obviously).
would deffo be up for this but to be honest i would only want certain items British uniforms simply for the belt, chest strap and knee high boots. I think the jackets trousers and other items should not be included in the game as the fact they are there might cause offence. And (even though i cannot think of how at the moment) i am sure there would be some "idiot" (nicest word i can think of to describe them) in the game who would deliberately wear them to cause offence as they would think it would be "funny to do so".
So yes to the leather belt, chest strap and knee high boots of the British Officers uniform but the clothing part NO, NO, NO.
True but that can be said with anything in the foundry as is. :P I'm not saying add the SS logo or anything of the such, but the uniform itself could be fine and those violating the TOS/EULA can be smacked accordingly. I can think of some good missions off the top of my head I could write with those uniforms.
Granted the story would probably suck but it's the though that counts right? :P
Exactly the point. AFAIK it's the TRIBBLE symbol and the eagle emblem that causes most of the problems, not the type of clothing. Although I'm being extremely superficial, it's just a military uniform without the logos and insignia; no different than a logo-stripped American or Russian uniform(s). They are simply military at that point.
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Whole world of no from me. Its just got too many grey areas. Just no. No.
I'm big into my WWII history and just hell no there shouldn't be anything like this in sto.
Imo of course.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
Even in a Foundry mission, for NPC use only, I can imagine it would be likely that someone would abuse it and produce something offensive.
Apart from that, Star Trek had a lot of costumes from other eras (1920's, 1940's, Victorian England, etc.) and we don't see any of those, either. Fun as it might be to recreate a Dixon Hill style holodeck adventure, the Devs don't have a lot of incentive to add the assets and environments to make it happen.
They haven't added a costume to the Foundry in two years. The ones that are there are broken (TOS can't use TOS badges). And they have no plans to add any of the game's costume options to the Foundry.
Now... All that said, this one is exotic enough to probably warrant lockbox inclusion (stripped of insignia, naturally).
And I can see it being worthwhile (along with Dixon Hill assets) for a BIG Featured Episode But I'm not sure any of that would make it into the Foundry. Environments and ships do have a better track record than ground costumes though (which has been, to my knowledge, never since a month after Foundry launch).
it would insight anomosity, a lot of attention from germany and israel and other jewish groups in the states by celebrating the TRIBBLE's as such on a computer game. besides the obvious, there could be jewish designers on the PWE staff would would take exception to something like this.
and bringing american costumes to the whole thing would stink of american patroitism especially to an audience in europe and players from Russia.
lets just ignore this suggestion.
Then I guess those same Russian and European audiences get offended when watching "The Omega Glory" or "Court Martial". :rolleyes:
Seriously?
In STO, a game based on Star Trek which goal besides providing entertainment was to portray a better, peaceful and more civilized future for mankind you want to wear uniforms from WWII - mankind's darkest moment? How about no?
This, basically.
I really, really don't get why a Star Trek game attracts so many military and wargame aficionados like STO does.
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Since others have already made responses that contain the serious points that needed to be said, here's a slightly more humorous response to the matter.
It should nontheless show why adding radom TRIBBLE stuff in just for giggles is a monumentally stupid idea:
This is probably the worst idea in the history of the Star Trek Online forums.
Portraying TRIBBLE in a historical context within a tightly confined script for a television show or film is one thing, allowing people to run around ESD in a TRIBBLE uniform is something completely different. It matters not that the emblems would be removed, the uniform is universally recognised as that of the most despised fascist and evil regime in the history of the world, responsible for tens of millions of deaths, attempted genocide, hideous war crimes and the loss of entire generations of young people.
I find even the suggestion of this offensive and if it was ever brought into the game I would leave, immediately, which I suspect would be only a short time before the game was closed down or forced to remove them.
To the OP, just because something looks "classy" does not mean it's ok, I suggest you read some history and find out why this is such a "touchy" subject.
Really? That's your reply on the points he made? :rolleyes:
As much as people dislike the TRIBBLE, they had the most stylish uniforms ever, lets be honest.
I'd like to go as an SS officer for halloween if I could somehow find a way to get my hands on even a fake one. I mean you go as something scary, right? People find the SS scary, ta da!
As much as people dislike the TRIBBLE, they had the most stylish uniforms ever, lets be honest.
I'd like to go as an SS officer for halloween if I could somehow find a way to get my hands on even a fake one. I mean you go as something scary, right? People find the SS scary, ta da!
This is now my No.1 stupid thing of all time that I've read on the STO forum.
Considering the things you can come across on daily basis around here, I think congratulations are in order. :rolleyes:
As much as people dislike the TRIBBLE, they had the most stylish uniforms ever, lets be honest.
I'd like to go as an SS officer for halloween if I could somehow find a way to get my hands on even a fake one. I mean you go as something scary, right? People find the SS scary, ta da!
Yes because sartorial elegance makes that dark time a little brighter. :rolleyes: Now I have heard everything, and I though people arguing on youtube were dumb well there average IQ just shot up.
This is now my No.1 stupid thing of all time that I've read on the STO forum.
Considering the things you can come across on daily basis around here, I think congratulations are in order. :rolleyes:
Yes because sartorial elegance makes that dark time a little brighter. :rolleyes: Now I have heard everything, and I though people arguing on youtube were dumb well there average IQ just shot up.
you're just jealous cause i'll look so fabulous with my black uniform with skull on muh hat
on a more serious note, you'll live a better life if you do like me and not give a single **** about offending people. Someone is going to be offended by you in the things you do all your life, it's best to not care.
As much as people dislike the TRIBBLE, they had the most stylish uniforms ever, lets be honest.
Sadly, you are right. Confederate uniform were also very cool during the American Civil War (I think it's not technically a civil war for them, but who cares ?). We all know the best tailors join the dark side.
Unfortunately, having TRIBBLE uniforms is opening the door to a world of pain and a lot of trouble. You are basically giving tools for people to troll.
You sir are either a troll or a complete and utter dimwit of monumental proportions, or both.
"People dislike the TRIBBLE" they don't just dislike them, they despise them. There are no words for the utter contempt in which they are held by the vast majority of the population of this planet and your trivialisation of them and what they stood for is extremely offensive.
Mods, don't you think it's time?
I'm largely indifferent to them. Reason being? It's was just one of many examples of man's inhumanity to man. And there have been far worse mass murderers before and since then.
It may be offensive to you and me, but people have a right to their opinions. At least in my country they do, thanks to that pesky thing called the First Amendment. Selective suppression of thought doesn't set well with me, regardless of the ideology.
What's funny is that somebody can run around in a surplus (or replica) Soviet or DDR uniform, and nobody bats an eye. Somebody could dress up like Chairman Mao or Idi Amin for Halloween, and nobody would say a word. In my mind, dressing up in an SS uniform is no different. I don't let bother me. And I come from a family where most of the men at the time served in World War II, fighting the Third Reich and Japanese Empire.
I also find it a tad hypocritical to rant and rage about TRIBBLE uniforms for time travel missions, when they are giving money to a company founded, and based, in a country whose government holds the record for democide. PWE, I'm sure, has to pay taxes to the "glorious" People's Republic.
Anyway, I've said my piece. I'm now backing out of this hornet's nest.
You sir are either a troll or a complete and utter dimwit of monumental proportions, or both.
"People dislike the TRIBBLE" they don't just dislike them, they despise them. There are no words for the utter contempt in which they are held by the vast majority of the population of this planet and your trivialisation of them and what they stood for is extremely offensive.
Mods, don't you think it's time?
Some of us don't care, the world isn't going to be a hug box. I had relatives fight in ww2 as well.
I also have a good amount of cherokee blood in my veins that I have actually traced back to the original relative, and they have been an incredibly oppressed people, yet I do not share their anger.
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Seriously mods, I know it's Sunday, but this is getting more and more idiotic by the minute.
Please shut this abomination down before it gets completely out of hand.
It was time days ago. Unfortunately, since BranFlakes left, there seems to be a void in leadership from the forum moderation team. Would be nice if they would step up to the plate and do their jobs. I remember the StormShade days, this thread wouldn't have breathed for more than 5 minutes (ya know, since it actually is wildly offense to a number of people).
Ok, time for me to sidetrack this. When I first saw the topic title I thought it was going to really be a parody/sarcastic one about requesting something so old and out of place here, you know like a T5 Constitution.
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No offense, but I have never got why you are so anti-military. At least, that's what I get from your posts concerning anything military.
(...)
Why should I be offended?
In the particular instance of "Star Trek" it's mainly because the IP tries (tried?) to portray humanity being evolved past military conflicts. Starfleet as it was portrayed for a large part of the franchise, is not a military anymore. For starters, the fact that we have MACOs in STO in the 25th century is IMHO already offensive towards that basic idea. Sure, they are only MACOs because the devs wanted the ENT reference, but the idea that Starfleet would reinstate an old earth military service is a huge step backwards and they could just as well reisntate the US marines or Napoleon's imperial guard. I'm also offended by the comical "heel click salute" emote that is used throughout the game for that matter.
I got the impression that quite a few people love to project their own servicetime unto this game when ironically, Starfleet is supposed to be far away from the kind of service they know (and probably love). And instead of playing every other science fiction game that will put you in the role of generic space marines, there is a huge demand for all kinds of military uniforms, fictional and reality based. I'm convinced quite a few people would want US marine uniforms and weapons and fight Borg with whatever rifles they were suing during their service. And I just don't understand why, why does all of this has to be projected onto Star Trek? And the demand for WW2 uniforms is the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. Yes, they were shown on screen but in a different context. People like the OP want to embody space faring SS officers because it looks "cool" and maybe to "rebel" a bit. It is hardly appropriate for this game (any game, for that matter).
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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would deffo be up for this but to be honest i would only want certain items British uniforms simply for the belt, chest strap and knee high boots. I think the jackets trousers and other items should not be included in the game as the fact they are there might cause offence. And (even though i cannot think of how at the moment) i am sure there would be some "idiot" (nicest word i can think of to describe them) in the game who would deliberately wear them to cause offence as they would think it would be "funny to do so".
So yes to the leather belt, chest strap and knee high boots of the British Officers uniform but the clothing part NO, NO, NO.
Exactly the point. AFAIK it's the TRIBBLE symbol and the eagle emblem that causes most of the problems, not the type of clothing. Although I'm being extremely superficial, it's just a military uniform without the logos and insignia; no different than a logo-stripped American or Russian uniform(s). They are simply military at that point.
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I'm big into my WWII history and just hell no there shouldn't be anything like this in sto.
Imo of course.
"If this will be our end, then I will have them make SUCH an end as to be worthy of rememberance! Out of torpedos you say?! Find me the ferengi!".
They haven't added a costume to the Foundry in two years. The ones that are there are broken (TOS can't use TOS badges). And they have no plans to add any of the game's costume options to the Foundry.
Now... All that said, this one is exotic enough to probably warrant lockbox inclusion (stripped of insignia, naturally).
And I can see it being worthwhile (along with Dixon Hill assets) for a BIG Featured Episode But I'm not sure any of that would make it into the Foundry. Environments and ships do have a better track record than ground costumes though (which has been, to my knowledge, never since a month after Foundry launch).
Then I guess those same Russian and European audiences get offended when watching "The Omega Glory" or "Court Martial". :rolleyes:
And having pride in one's nation doesn't "stink".
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This, basically.
I really, really don't get why a Star Trek game attracts so many military and wargame aficionados like STO does.
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It should nontheless show why adding radom TRIBBLE stuff in just for giggles is a monumentally stupid idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRFQyMKEE50
your point? grow some thicker skin
However, it would be soooo tempting to make an alien character into "Evil Sesame St. Burt"
F2P.
Really? That's your reply on the points he made? :rolleyes:
As much as people dislike the TRIBBLE, they had the most stylish uniforms ever, lets be honest.
I'd like to go as an SS officer for halloween if I could somehow find a way to get my hands on even a fake one. I mean you go as something scary, right? People find the SS scary, ta da!
This is now my No.1 stupid thing of all time that I've read on the STO forum.
Considering the things you can come across on daily basis around here, I think congratulations are in order. :rolleyes:
Yes because sartorial elegance makes that dark time a little brighter. :rolleyes: Now I have heard everything, and I though people arguing on youtube were dumb well there average IQ just shot up.
you're just jealous cause i'll look so fabulous with my black uniform with skull on muh hat
on a more serious note, you'll live a better life if you do like me and not give a single **** about offending people. Someone is going to be offended by you in the things you do all your life, it's best to not care.
Unfortunately, having TRIBBLE uniforms is opening the door to a world of pain and a lot of trouble. You are basically giving tools for people to troll.
To make an argument you'll understand : deal with it.
...Oh. Nevermind.
No offense, but I have never got why you are so anti-military. At least, that's what I get from your posts concerning anything military.
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I'm largely indifferent to them. Reason being? It's was just one of many examples of man's inhumanity to man. And there have been far worse mass murderers before and since then.
It may be offensive to you and me, but people have a right to their opinions. At least in my country they do, thanks to that pesky thing called the First Amendment. Selective suppression of thought doesn't set well with me, regardless of the ideology.
What's funny is that somebody can run around in a surplus (or replica) Soviet or DDR uniform, and nobody bats an eye. Somebody could dress up like Chairman Mao or Idi Amin for Halloween, and nobody would say a word. In my mind, dressing up in an SS uniform is no different. I don't let bother me. And I come from a family where most of the men at the time served in World War II, fighting the Third Reich and Japanese Empire.
I also find it a tad hypocritical to rant and rage about TRIBBLE uniforms for time travel missions, when they are giving money to a company founded, and based, in a country whose government holds the record for democide. PWE, I'm sure, has to pay taxes to the "glorious" People's Republic.
Anyway, I've said my piece. I'm now backing out of this hornet's nest.
Some of us don't care, the world isn't going to be a hug box. I had relatives fight in ww2 as well.
I also have a good amount of cherokee blood in my veins that I have actually traced back to the original relative, and they have been an incredibly oppressed people, yet I do not share their anger.
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Focus on the Trek stuff first.
Please shut this abomination down before it gets completely out of hand.
It was time days ago. Unfortunately, since BranFlakes left, there seems to be a void in leadership from the forum moderation team. Would be nice if they would step up to the plate and do their jobs. I remember the StormShade days, this thread wouldn't have breathed for more than 5 minutes (ya know, since it actually is wildly offense to a number of people).
Stink bomb thrown, time to duck away.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Context, anyone?
Why should I be offended?
In the particular instance of "Star Trek" it's mainly because the IP tries (tried?) to portray humanity being evolved past military conflicts. Starfleet as it was portrayed for a large part of the franchise, is not a military anymore. For starters, the fact that we have MACOs in STO in the 25th century is IMHO already offensive towards that basic idea. Sure, they are only MACOs because the devs wanted the ENT reference, but the idea that Starfleet would reinstate an old earth military service is a huge step backwards and they could just as well reisntate the US marines or Napoleon's imperial guard. I'm also offended by the comical "heel click salute" emote that is used throughout the game for that matter.
I got the impression that quite a few people love to project their own servicetime unto this game when ironically, Starfleet is supposed to be far away from the kind of service they know (and probably love). And instead of playing every other science fiction game that will put you in the role of generic space marines, there is a huge demand for all kinds of military uniforms, fictional and reality based. I'm convinced quite a few people would want US marine uniforms and weapons and fight Borg with whatever rifles they were suing during their service. And I just don't understand why, why does all of this has to be projected onto Star Trek? And the demand for WW2 uniforms is the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. Yes, they were shown on screen but in a different context. People like the OP want to embody space faring SS officers because it looks "cool" and maybe to "rebel" a bit. It is hardly appropriate for this game (any game, for that matter).
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