JJ Abrams would have to purposefully go out of his way to make Episode VII worse than the Prequels.
He has two things George Lucas didn't, which will put the matter to rest.
A: Lawrence Kasdan.
B: People who are able to tell him 'No'.
I don't know.
I think that JJ had at the very least people to say "No, {insert famous egotistical director here}, that's stupid" when he was working on Trek. He still managed to bork it up.
I think that JJ had at the very least people to say "No, {insert famous egotistical director here}, that's stupid" when he was working on Trek. He still managed to bork it up.
Maybe. The original argument was whether or not he could do worse than Lucas, though. Lucas had an entirely different set of problems that Episode VII will simply lack right out of the gate.
The new Star Trek films might have their issues, but they pale in comparison to the travesty that was the prequel trilogy.
Maybe. The original argument was whether or not he could do worse than Lucas, though. Lucas had an entirely different set of problems that Episode VII will simply lack right out of the gate.
The new Star Trek films might have their issues, but they pale in comparison to the travesty that was the prequel trilogy.
I dunno.
Prequel trilogy had Ewan McGregor and Samuel L. Jackson. The new Trek films only have Leonard Nimoy in a bit part.
Not to mention, Benedict Cumberbatch as White Khan...which would've been OK, except that Khan. Isn't. White.
I find them to be very similar, actually. Both JJTrek and the prequels tried to sex up their franchise, both had mostly poor acting with a few highlights, both had lots of confusing and poorly-directed action, and both had arrogant directors borking up canon for their own egos.
Their other option with Khan was to have the main villain be a Middle Eastern terrorist.
I suspect that wouldn't have gone over well.
Indian, actually.
What JJ should've done is go to this guy, paid him a sh*t-ton of cash, and said "congratulations, you are now an iconic movie villain". Would've made hundreds of millions in India, and would've been great in the West, too.
When he began Abrams said that the cast wouldnt be made up of veterans. Im sort of glad that it isnt. Star Wars has always been such a benchmark thing for many actors. These new fresh faces will fit with this new fresh star wars. For the first time since the 70's, we dont know who anyone is. Its all brand new. I think its fitting that we not know the actors that play these new characters. I just hope they dont suck....
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The big problem with the last two Trek movies, though, wasn't the directing. It was the godawful writing. Which, you might notice, Abrams didn't do. That's all down to Orci and Kurtzman, who lately have been occupied TRIBBLE up Spider-Man movies instead (although reports are that they had a falling-out over the last one, and will no longer work together except for the already-contracted script for Amazing Spider-Man 3).
I'm really just getting tired of this bashing of Abrams for something he had no control over. It probably didn't help that in addition to scripting, Orci and Kurtzman were among the executive directors...
The big problem with the last two Trek movies, though, wasn't the directing. It was the godawful writing. Which, you might notice, Abrams didn't do. That's all down to Orci and Kurtzman, who lately have been occupied TRIBBLE up Spider-Man movies instead (although reports are that they had a falling-out over the last one, and will no longer work together except for the already-contracted script for Amazing Spider-Man 3).
I'm really just getting tired of this bashing of Abrams for something he had no control over. It probably didn't help that in addition to scripting, Orci and Kurtzman were among the executive directors...
Dude, he was the director. He had to approve literally everything. Barring a Deus Ex Paramount, he was god on set for the JJTrek movies.
The fact that JJ acted like a spoiled brat about "removing" TOS didn't help.
Prequel trilogy had Ewan McGregor and Samuel L. Jackson. The new Trek films only have Leonard Nimoy in a bit part.
Not to mention, Benedict Cumberbatch as White Khan...which would've been OK, except that Khan. Isn't. White.
I find them to be very similar, actually. Both JJTrek and the prequels tried to sex up their franchise, both had mostly poor acting with a few highlights, both had lots of confusing and poorly-directed action, and both had arrogant directors borking up canon for their own egos.
Khan isn't Mexican either, but nobody seems to have a problem with Ricardo Montalban playing Khan.
In fact if you really wanted to stretch believability, Benedict Cumberbatch has more legitimacy to playing a Sikh than Ricardo Montalban, since there has been a white british presence in India for some time.
Khan isn't Mexican either, but nobody seems to have a problem with Ricardo Montalban playing Khan.
Well, at least he wasn't white.
Actually, White Khan is the least of my issues with JJTrek. Benedict Cumberbatch can be pinned to Ability Over Appearance, and can actually be explained in-verse by a method like what Gulberat came up with here.
Actually, White Khan is the least of my issues with JJTrek. Benedict Cumberbatch can be pinned to Ability Over Appearance, and can actually be explained in-verse by a method like what Gulberat came up with here.
It's the rest of it that REALLY rubs me wrong.
Unless you personally identify as a Sikh, what makes your opinion more correct? You're trading one form of cultural insensitivity for another. It's still wrong no matter what.
I personally have small issues with Robert Downey Jr. playing Charles Chaplin and Sherlock Holmes.
And I also have issues with Benedict Cumberbatch and Michael Fassbender playing white southern plantation owners in 12 Years a Slave.
Not enough to infuriate me. But it does make me wonder if there were no other better actors for the roles than people from across the pond (in both scenarios).
In the end, I recognize that it isn't whether or not the actor hails from a particular area for the role they play, but the skill of their acting with the script they're given.
Unless you personally identify as a Sikh, what makes your opinion more correct? You're trading one form of cultural insensitivity for another. It's still wrong no matter what.
I personally have small issues with Robert Downey Jr. playing Charles Chaplin and Sherlock Holmes.
And I also have issues with Benedict Cumberbatch and Michael Fassbender playing white southern plantation owners in 12 Years a Slave.
Not enough to infuriate me. But it does make me wonder if there were no other better actors for the roles than people from across the pond (in both scenarios).
In the end, I recognize that it isn't whether or not the actor hails from a particular area for the role they play, but the skill of their acting with the script they're given.
I think that to some extent, it IS Ability Over Appearance, but it smacks of whitewashing.
I dunno. There are certainly much bigger issues with JJTrek than the whole White Khan thing. And I'm MUCH more worried about those being on display in JJWars.
NOOOOOOOOOOO not another damn brewery/oil refinery! I can't stand that movie set! It was a pathetic excuse for a starships main engineering and shouldn't have even fit inside the ship in the first place!
NOOOOOOOOOOO not another damn brewery/oil refinery! I can't stand that movie set! It was a pathetic excuse for a starships main engineering and shouldn't have even fit inside the ship in the first place!
I'm still trying to figure out why a communications officer was working in the brewing vats in the first place.
I'm still trying to figure out why a communications officer was working in the brewing vats in the first place.
I don't understand how the hell that mess fit into the JJPrise's hull. I mean, JJPrise is about the size of the Ent-D, and the Ent-D had an Engineering room maybe a tenth the size of that brewery.
I don't understand how the hell that mess fit into the JJPrise's hull. I mean, JJPrise is about the size of the Ent-D, and the Ent-D had an Engineering room maybe a tenth the size of that brewery.
I don't understand how the hell that mess fit into the JJPrise's hull. I mean, JJPrise is about the size of the Ent-D, and the Ent-D had an Engineering room maybe a tenth the size of that brewery.
Given that in today's world, you can fit over a 100 jets in a Nimitz-class carrier, which is smaller than the D and and 30m longer than the E-Nil. Is it a stretch, nope, does it look stupid, yes.
I'm still trying to figure out why a communications officer was working in the brewing vats in the first place.
Nyota? I don't remember her scenes there. You lost me there.
I'm still trying to figure out how Chekov ended up there from navigator. In charge no less. There weren't, you know, a whole compliment of engineers to step up to the vacancy?
Nyota? I don't remember her scenes there. You lost me there.
I'm still trying to figure out how Chekov ended up there from navigator. In charge no less. There weren't, you know, a whole compliment of engineers to step up to the vacancy?
When Kirk had his flash of insight (while Bones was still giving him conflicting treatments for all his side effects), he ran to check with Uhura about the communication she'd mentioned intercepting from the Romulans. The room full of shiny silver vats she was inexplicably working in was in reality a brewery.
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I don't know.
I think that JJ had at the very least people to say "No, {insert famous egotistical director here}, that's stupid" when he was working on Trek. He still managed to bork it up.
Maybe. The original argument was whether or not he could do worse than Lucas, though. Lucas had an entirely different set of problems that Episode VII will simply lack right out of the gate.
The new Star Trek films might have their issues, but they pale in comparison to the travesty that was the prequel trilogy.
I dunno.
Prequel trilogy had Ewan McGregor and Samuel L. Jackson. The new Trek films only have Leonard Nimoy in a bit part.
Not to mention, Benedict Cumberbatch as White Khan...which would've been OK, except that Khan. Isn't. White.
I find them to be very similar, actually. Both JJTrek and the prequels tried to sex up their franchise, both had mostly poor acting with a few highlights, both had lots of confusing and poorly-directed action, and both had arrogant directors borking up canon for their own egos.
I suspect that wouldn't have gone over well.
Indian, actually.
What JJ should've done is go to this guy, paid him a sh*t-ton of cash, and said "congratulations, you are now an iconic movie villain". Would've made hundreds of millions in India, and would've been great in the West, too.
U.S.S. Bandersnatch
Chimera Class Heavy Destroyer
"Bander"-Leader. "snatch"-To Kill
"The Jaws that Bite, the Claws that Catch"
I'm really just getting tired of this bashing of Abrams for something he had no control over. It probably didn't help that in addition to scripting, Orci and Kurtzman were among the executive directors...
Dude, he was the director. He had to approve literally everything. Barring a Deus Ex Paramount, he was god on set for the JJTrek movies.
The fact that JJ acted like a spoiled brat about "removing" TOS didn't help.
Yeah, but he could've said "No, guys, this is stupid, there's more holes in this thing than a Dutch dam made of Swiss cheese".
And he didn't. In fact, he stated somewhere that he thought that the plots made perfect sense and he didn't see why people were so upset.
Khan isn't Mexican either, but nobody seems to have a problem with Ricardo Montalban playing Khan.
In fact if you really wanted to stretch believability, Benedict Cumberbatch has more legitimacy to playing a Sikh than Ricardo Montalban, since there has been a white british presence in India for some time.
Well, at least he wasn't white.
Actually, White Khan is the least of my issues with JJTrek. Benedict Cumberbatch can be pinned to Ability Over Appearance, and can actually be explained in-verse by a method like what Gulberat came up with here.
It's the rest of it that REALLY rubs me wrong.
Unless you personally identify as a Sikh, what makes your opinion more correct? You're trading one form of cultural insensitivity for another. It's still wrong no matter what.
I personally have small issues with Robert Downey Jr. playing Charles Chaplin and Sherlock Holmes.
And I also have issues with Benedict Cumberbatch and Michael Fassbender playing white southern plantation owners in 12 Years a Slave.
Not enough to infuriate me. But it does make me wonder if there were no other better actors for the roles than people from across the pond (in both scenarios).
In the end, I recognize that it isn't whether or not the actor hails from a particular area for the role they play, but the skill of their acting with the script they're given.
I think that to some extent, it IS Ability Over Appearance, but it smacks of whitewashing.
I dunno. There are certainly much bigger issues with JJTrek than the whole White Khan thing. And I'm MUCH more worried about those being on display in JJWars.
My thoughts exactly. But the man is 85 years old! Can he do a trilogy?
On that subject, much as I love Peter Mayhew as Chewbacca, the man has had double knee replacement surgery. I hope he's up to the challenge.
Andy Sirkis is welcome news as well. I wonder if they'll let him use his own face or if he'll have to create another CGI character.
Does it look like Mark Hamill has toned up some?
Also, some of the shots I've seen of newcomer Oscar Isaac look strikingly like Starkiller from The Force Unleased games.
Jeez, that thing makes me want to burn my brain.
NOOOOOOOOOOO not another damn brewery/oil refinery! I can't stand that movie set! It was a pathetic excuse for a starships main engineering and shouldn't have even fit inside the ship in the first place!
I don't understand how the hell that mess fit into the JJPrise's hull. I mean, JJPrise is about the size of the Ent-D, and the Ent-D had an Engineering room maybe a tenth the size of that brewery.
Just another example of arrogant stupidity.
More of writers having no sense of scale. :rolleyes:
Given that in today's world, you can fit over a 100 jets in a Nimitz-class carrier, which is smaller than the D and and 30m longer than the E-Nil. Is it a stretch, nope, does it look stupid, yes.
Nyota? I don't remember her scenes there. You lost me there.
I'm still trying to figure out how Chekov ended up there from navigator. In charge no less. There weren't, you know, a whole compliment of engineers to step up to the vacancy?
Because you would need to be completely hammered to work on that film.
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