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I finished Voyager and am now starting Enterprise....
moonshadowdark
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*selects Enterprise from Netflix*
*Theme song comes on*
Aaaaand nope.
*leaves Enterprise and watches Fairy Tail instead*
*Theme song comes on*
Aaaaand nope.
*leaves Enterprise and watches Fairy Tail instead*
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
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Similarities between Voy and Ent:
- Focuses on just a few of the cast.
- The rest of the cast are essentially relegated to set dressing.
- Weekly missions with a DS9 style story arc (even more rushed due to cancellation).
- Lone ship braving the wilderness.
- Steep odds against success of the overall mission.
- Large machinations that are defeated by a single ship/small group.
- Brooding, sometimes incomprehensible Captain.
- Understated sexual tension between first officer and Captain.
- Transfer of first officer's sexual tension on a random other officer.
- Doctors which can steal the show.
There's probably a lot more. Enterprise is really worth the watch, just have the remote ready.
Sometimes things only exist to serve as a warning for others -- there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and is a requirement for progress. Pretending Enterprise was anything other than a warning will only muddy otherwise clear waters that it is not something to be repeated.
If you have to say things like "Well, once you get past this and this and this and this and this and this, it's actually a really awesome thing!" then you're already proving the point that it really isn't all that awesome to begin with.
Enterprise was them cracking open the bones, and sucking out the marrow.
The only cool thing was the MACO uniforms.
(I heard a story that someone snuck into a studio somewhere and made a really bad fanflick that aired the following week, but you should never believe everything you hear, right?)
Season one wasn't great, but aside from TOS, what Trek series did have a great first season? And of course when Berman and Braga were handing the reins over to Manny Coto at the start of Season Four, they did their level best to ruin everything first. (My usual response to complaints about dinosaurs with lasers on their heads is, "Time-traveling alien TRIBBLE reptiles!" Those V. rexes don't seem so stupid now, do they?)
I'm allowed to consider them both abominably stupid, aren't I?
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Why the exception?
I liked season 3.
What was wrong with terra prime? These are the voyage isn't the series finale, series finales usually include characters from the show. It's kind if an epilogue.
And yeah, while I love enterprise, the time travel plot was mainly pretty stupid.
2 words to the op:
Your bad.
And personally, Voyager was the least fun for me. (Not bad, just not on the same level as some of the others).
Now don't get me wrong, Voyager made a promising start, but after they did away with the Kazon, character development basically stopped, except for the Doctor and Seven. The writers became afraid to take risks, so they continued to play safe. Which did not help the quality of the series. This, combined with the writer's thought that "Borg are OP, plz nerf", and that series final episode (which wasn't as bad as that TNG extended scenes that they launched after Terra Prime in Enterprise) left a bad taste. If I had to rewatch Voyager, I'd only watch the first few seasons, and after that the twoparters (except for any Borg episode after Scorpion).
Enterprise was something I loved. The stories were exciting, character development was less (I admit), the occasional wink towards the other series did not fall short on me. I also had the "Exploration" feeling for the first time since TNG (neither DS9 or VOY gave me that feeling, even though DS9 was my most favourite). Did it have bad episodes with stupid decisions? Yes. But which Trek series didn't? Think of that ghost lover of Crusher at the end of TNG. Think of the Voyager Transwarp episode. Think of Spock's Brain. Think of that game that the DS9 crew had to play with themselves as the pieces. Every series had something completely stupid in them.
Ofcourse, all of this is my opinion. I am not hoping to change the opinions of people who watched Enterprise, they can have their own. But I felt that somebody here had to defend it. I loved the series. Give it a shot OP, in the worst case, you will have finished all Star Trek series and ended up not liking a few. Nothing to loose here.
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And it completely ignored this mission statement. I like Enterprise. I really do. But the Temporal Cold War, while a good idea on paper, was executed very poorly. The first 2 seasons were good at showing humanity's first step into the stars, and how unprepared we are, but it failed at linking it to the Kirk era. Normally, I'm not one to scream "IT'S NOT CANON!", but Enterprise made itself with the express purpose of being canon. So it has to tie in. But it didn't. It didn't show any indication of how we reached the Kirk era, until Manny Coto took over.
And suddenly, in season 4, Bang! We have augments, an explaination for Klingon smooth heads, the improvment of transporter tech, tieing up loose ends of some kirk episodes, actaully making the Vulcans into the Vulcans we know and love instead of those arrogant pricks from Enterprise (While throwing in some awesome behind the scene reasons for all that in the process, that leads to bigger events already established and what we know as will happen soon) and most importantly:
It shows how the Federation first came together. No, I'm not talking about These are the Voyages. I'm talking about the 3 parter with the drone ships that formed the Coalition. THAT is what Enterprise needed to be from the outset. If Manny Coto had been in charge from the start, Enterprise would have been a very different show. As it stands, we have 2 mediocre seasons, one season long arc that is better, but still lacking slightly, and then a truly awesome final season.
A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
The actual "statement" was to bring back the feeling of exploration.
And this is what Enterprise did better then ANY of the previous shows. No other show had that feeling of "where no man has gone before" as much as this one.
"A bridge between First Contact and Kirk" is something that only Trek fans care about, and that might be 20 % of the viewership at best. Most people watch shows like that for the entertainment, no for the greater context with other shows. Most viewers have not seen all episodes of all the other series.
The temporal cold war was bad, yes. But there were not THAT many episodes on this plot.
Not that I do not like season 4, but I always felt it was "to much". It relied to much on homages to other series instead of building an own identity.
In my opinion the real problem with Enterprise can be summarized in one single word: ARCHER.
The rest of the cast was between ok and actually really good, but the better the characters and actors were, the less screen time they had in this show. (Mayweather aside, he is the exception to that rule being boring and having no screen time^^)
But while having an otherwise ok cast, where does the series, including season 4, constantly focus on?
Archer.. I have to go into a rant here... he was particularly stupid, annoying and.... I just didn't like him. At all. He probably wrote that one book abut "how to Captain a Starship" that Janeway read.. Nothing good about him.
In particular his "I volunteer" manner at every possible place. I mean really, I hate that kind of people who "volunteer" wherever there is something to "volunteer".
There a dangerous mortal virus and a possible cure.
Archer "I volunteer I volunteer! Infect me with the virus and then you test the cure on me". He's f*** TRIBBLE.
Isnt he supposed to Captain a Starship? Yeah great Idea when you are, like in season 3, the only thing standing between the Xindi and your own races complete extermination, to "volunteer" yourself as the leader that everything depends for every single possibly dangerous situation.
Seems he watched Hunger Games a few times to often...
And if it wasn't about Archer, it was about T'Pol. The second worst character played be the second worst actor in the series...
That was Enterprises problem.
The Entirety of season 3 was part of the Temporal Cold War. Granted, it wasn't referenced in the season much, but the Sphere Builders are part of it, Future Guy was the one who set Archer off on the trail of the Xindi in the first place.
They shouldn't have said that statement if they didn't intend to follow through with it. I agree it's something only fans care about, but it was still stated as something the show was intended to do. If they had just said something like "It's showing us humanity's earliest journey into the wider galaxy", same kind of message but without the expectation. And then, they could just gradually start building in the foundations for the Federation, and us fans would start going "Yay"! and the other viewers would go "Huh, this looks cool."
I agree with you that it was the one that captured the sense of going into the unknown the best.
This right here is why These are the Voyagers was such a failure of a finale. Who of the casual viewer would remember Pegasus, which is needed to understand the Riker aspect of the episode (which they mucked up anyway, since here he seemed to side with Picard, but the episode he sided with Pressman until the end).
A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
yea this, and since your on netflix, you can skip ahead of the theme song. It's really superior to Voyager IMO
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
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Don't forget those episodes which were an exact duplicate of Voyager ones, like the one in which Phlox put's the crew in tubes and tours the ship alone while he goes crazy. Just like Neelix did. :rolleyes:
Hardly something unique to ENT, or even Star Trek. TNG: "The Naked Now" was a complete rehash of a TOS episode, and the Stargate SG-1 episode "Emancipation" was written by the same scriptwriter as TNG: "Code of Honor", basically rehashed its plot, and was about as well thought-of.
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You're seriously missing out if you don't at least watch the episodes where he shows up.
I thought it was Seven of Nine and the Doctor who did that.
Six words:
*You're. I am a Grammar Romulan.
That theme song was way crappier than the entire Seven/Chakotay romance storyline in the seventh season. It should be general Roddenberry Rule of Star Trek that all Star Trek themes should just be an instrumental and shots of the ship flying. No need for the schmaltzy "You've got to have FAAAAAAAITH!" lyrics.
But for the sake of clarity, people, I didn't actually stop watching Enterprise. I'm on episode 3 now.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
That was apparently executive meddling by UPN. The tune they used for the closing theme, "Archer's Theme", was apparently meant to be the opener. This is that song synced to the existing titles.
And for fun, this is a fan-made, Star Trekkier title sequence with the same song.
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Enterprise wasted a lot of time on plot hooks no one cared about before finally just as the series was canceled beginning to show us signs of positive things to come. (Romulans!)
Ultimatly what killed enterprise for me where three words, heard fairly early in the series "Temporal Cold war" I literally stopped caring after that. Trek's had some good time travel episodes. but mostly the one shot "for fun" ones. towards the end of the "trek TVs life" they began to over use it
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Sounds like "Firefly" (partially). Lone ship: Serenity. Steep odds: Alliance, Reavers, bounty hunter, and Fox executives. Brooding captain: Mal (not always, tho'). Sexual tension between 1st officer and captain: "Take me, sir. Take me hard." (Zoe in Mal's arms)
But I prefer "Firefly" over "Enterprise" ... okay and over "Voyager" too.
Hell, I prefer Firefly over Stargate SG-1. DS9 is third.
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And btw I don't know why people hate on Scott B. I think he makes a good captain. Better than Sisko and Janeway anyway lol. No offense to those that like those two I just thought they were god -awful.