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While STO is DOWN, Lets discuss WARP DRIVE in real life.

[Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
edited March 2014 in Ten Forward
To the best of my knowledge, there are 3 ways of getting warp drive and warping space.

1- bose einstein condensate centripical force

2- smashing a stream of electrons of protons together to make mini black holes: keep the beam going to sustain the black hole. This is what they do at the large hadron collider, and the same thing JOHN HUTCHESON does with his tesla experiments. The LHC does it with protons, Hutch and Tesla do it with electrons, which is much easier.

3- acoustic levitation, like how they built the pyramids. point at least 2 sources of sound at eachother, and in the middle, have the item u want to lift. have the speakers put out the frequency appropriate to the material u want to lift, and up it goes.

The last 2 ways are just quantum tunneling using 2 different kinds of waves: microwaves and the second, sound waves.

I can go into more detail.

Please keep the discussion about science. I'd love to see this thread be an example as to the level of intelligence a star trek fans. Lets do something cool while the server is down...
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    garside wrote: »
    3- acoustic levitation, like how they built the pyramids. point at least 2 sources of sound at eachother, and in the middle, have the item u want to lift. have the speakers put out the frequency appropriate to the material u want to lift, and up it goes.
    Pre-industrial Egyptians had massive subwoofers?

    Besides, the speed of sound is inferior to the speed of light. How the heck are you supposed to push an object to exceed 3x10^8 m/s with giant subwoofers... if the speed of sound itself is far slower?

    #lackoflogic
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  • nikkojtnikkojt Member Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    garside wrote: »
    3- acoustic levitation, like how they built the pyramids.
    Please, go on...
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  • vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    3- acoustic levitation, like how they built the pyramids. point at least 2 sources of sound at eachother, and in the middle, have the item u want to lift. have the speakers put out the frequency appropriate to the material u want to lift, and up it goes.

    What? I just checked google.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odJxJRAxdFU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLcGz4rnGxE

    I want to know more of your concepts.
  • uppercaseplzuppercaseplz Member Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Well, given how anyone else in the world has yet to offer a plausible explanation for how the pyramids came to be, his explanation is just as valid as any other.

    Kind of.
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  • ebonsonebonson Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I take it you guys have never listened to late night talk radio
  • kawasakizx10rrkawasakizx10rr Member Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    iv seen that on a small scale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=669AcEBpdsY
    but space is a vacuum so sound can not travel with vibration of particles. only radiation or magnetic waves can make sound in space
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  • deepspacejunkiedeepspacejunkie Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    look into a physicist named Harold White, he recently went to NASA with designs for a "faster then light" His proposed design, an ingenious re-imagining of an Alcubierre Drive, may eventually result in an engine that can transport a spacecraft to the nearest star in a matter of weeks and all without violating Einstein's law of relativity.

    also look at Project Valkyrie, it is another experiment for light travel by using anti-matter engines. we have the technology to produce anti-matter, and there are some in very small amounts at CERN. but it is extremely expensive and takes the amount of power rquired power the entire planet for a year just to make a few particles .
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    garside wrote: »
    To the best of my knowledge, there are 3 ways of getting warp drive and warping space.

    1- bose einstein condensate centripical force

    2- smashing a stream of electrons of protons together to make mini black holes: keep the beam going to sustain the black hole. This is what they do at the large hadron collider, and the same thing JOHN HUTCHESON does with his tesla experiments. The LHC does it with protons, Hutch and Tesla do it with electrons, which is much easier.

    3- acoustic levitation, like how they built the pyramids. point at least 2 sources of sound at eachother, and in the middle, have the item u want to lift. have the speakers put out the frequency appropriate to the material u want to lift, and up it goes.

    The last 2 ways are just quantum tunneling using 2 different kinds of waves: microwaves and the second, sound waves.

    I can go into more detail.

    Please keep the discussion about science. I'd love to see this thread be an example as to the level of intelligence a star trek fans. Lets do something cool while the server is down...
    Pre-industrial Egyptians had massive subwoofers?

    Besides, the speed of sound is inferior to the speed of light. How the heck are you supposed to push an object to exceed 3x10^8 m/s with giant subwoofers... if the speed of sound itself is far slower?

    #lackoflogic

    do you know how to build a speaker? it's stupid easy.

    As for the speed of light and sound, you dont need the speed of sound to go faster, cuz its not the speed aspect youre using- its the smashing of soundwaves in unison. Resonance. Mythbusters already prooved you can antigrav with sound this way.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    iv seen that on a small scale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=669AcEBpdsY
    but space is a vacuum so sound can not travel with vibration of particles. only radiation or magnetic waves can make sound in space

    you are correct, which is why the pyramids arent built in space.

    The buddhists lift **** with the sacred ohm btw.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Pre-industrial Egyptians had massive subwoofers?

    Besides, the speed of sound is inferior to the speed of light. How the heck are you supposed to push an object to exceed 3x10^8 m/s with giant subwoofers... if the speed of sound itself is far slower?

    #lackoflogic
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    look into a physicist named Harold White, he recently went to NASA with designs for a "faster then light" His proposed design, an ingenious re-imagining of an Alcubierre Drive, may eventually result in an engine that can transport a spacecraft to the nearest star in a matter of weeks and all without violating Einstein's law of relativity.

    also look at Project Valkyrie, it is another experiment for light travel by using anti-matter engines. we have the technology to produce anti-matter, and there are some in very small amounts at CERN. but it is extremely expensive and takes the amount of power rquired power the entire planet for a year just to make a few particles .


    alcub redesign? please post data!!!


    alcubierre drive works, but the prob is that it makes a beam of particles in front of the ship that destroies everything it touches.
  • thewolfsterthewolfster Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Faster than light travel violates all known physical laws, and even if tachyons exist (which there's no evidence to support) they couldn't be used to transmit information (or for time travel, which conventional faster than light speed requires). Even quantum entanglement cannot be used for instantaneous transfer of information over great distances.

    The Alcubierre Drive (or A-drive) is the most solid theory, but it likely requires faster-than light travel to construct, or it's construction for a single journey would have to be conducted at no greater than light speed, kinda defeating the point.

    Simply put, none of the available theories work.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Faster than light travel violates all known physical laws, and even if tachyons exist (which there's no evidence to support) they couldn't be used to transmit information (or for time travel, which conventional faster than light speed requires). Even quantum entanglement cannot be used for instantaneous transfer of information over great distances.

    The Alcubierre Drive (or A-drive) is the most solid theory, but it likely requires faster-than light travel to construct, or it's construction for a single journey would have to be conducted at no greater than light speed, kinda defeating the point.

    Simply put, none of the available theories work.

    -Faster than light travel violates all known physical laws, -

    wrong. electrons move faster. its y they framedrag.

    furthermore, space is faster than light. alcubierre is all abbout being in a bubble of ur own space.
  • thewolfsterthewolfster Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The problem you have is kinda the same problem as with Graham's number. It's cool, and mathematics probably allows for its existence, but mathematics is derived from observation of physics and it does not necessarily hold that because the maths is plausible that the predictions can be achieved in reality.

    Grahams number would take more than the available matter and dark matter in the universe to store in binary, and then some. So while the mathematics is sound, the physics is not. This is the case with superluminal travel - at least so far.
  • thewolfsterthewolfster Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    garside wrote: »
    -Faster than light travel violates all known physical laws, -

    wrong. electrons move faster. its y they framedrag.

    furthermore, space is faster than light. alcubierre is all abbout being in a bubble of ur own space.

    Electrons quantum leap, this is not moving faster.

    Unless you are referring to cherenkov radiation, where electrons move faster than the local speed of light through a medium (nuclear coolant) which is not the same as C.

    Electrons do not move faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. Ever.
  • ufpterrellufpterrell Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    But... I thought it was the Goa'uld who made the Pyramids??!!

    Really though, "acoustic levitation"... that's a good one. *dons tin foil hat and grabs some popcorn*
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  • thewolfsterthewolfster Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    garside wrote: »
    furthermore, space is faster than light. alcubierre is all abbout being in a bubble of ur own space.

    Space has been faster than light. Once. For a trillionth of a trillionth of a second. This is expansion theory. It was proved last week.

    The point of the alcubierre drive is that nothing has to actually move faster than the speed of light. Not the space, nor the object within the manifold.
  • kythosskythoss Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    garside wrote: »
    you are correct, which is why the pyramids arent built in space.

    The buddhists lift **** with the sacred ohm btw.
    Hahaha! That put a smile on my face.
  • thewolfsterthewolfster Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I might mean inflation theory. All these names sound the same to me :D
  • k0rsak0fk0rsak0f Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    as far as i know there is only theory of something that go's faster. but never found / proven.

    on top of that.. if you say something is faster as light you have to prove Albert Einstein is wrong with his vacuum light speed formula.
    as i said : nothing is proven jet.
  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    garside wrote: »
    do you know how to build a speaker? it's stupid easy.

    As for the speed of light and sound, you dont need the speed of sound to go faster, cuz its not the speed aspect youre using- its the smashing of soundwaves in unison. Resonance. Mythbusters already prooved you can antigrav with sound this way.

    I do, in fact. As part of my physics lecture, we studied how the electrically generated magnetic field works, which is the basic property behind the oscillation of the central part of the speaker, which generates the sound wave in any electronic speaker. :)

    And that is pure bogus.

    Newton's third law states that any action demands a reaction, equal in magnitude but opposite in direction. So let's say the Enterprise-D model I have sitting on my desk was the object we are trying to propel away from Earth and achieve FTL speeds. In order for the Enterprise-D to exceed 3x10^8 m/s (as the action), we need a reactive force. Sound waves, even compressed and stacked, will never generate enough force to push the Enterprise-D model out of the Earth's gravity well (defined by radius, distance and masses), near the speed of light, at the speed of light, and faster than the speed of light.

    And that's a desk model with less mass than my phone.
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  • sudonamisudonami Member Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Ok i see arguments about the sound levitation idea, and varies sciences about how other things work, but am i the only one who when the original post mentioned quantum tunneling, i immediately thought of the aperture sciences quantum tunneling device? (portal gun to those who have never played)
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The problem you have is kinda the same problem as with Graham's number. It's cool, and mathematics probably allows for its existence, but mathematics is derived from observation of physics and it does not necessarily hold that because the maths is plausible that the predictions can be achieved in reality.

    Grahams number would take more than the available matter and dark matter in the universe to store in binary, and then some. So while the mathematics is sound, the physics is not. This is the case with superluminal travel - at least so far.

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I do, in fact. As part of my physics lecture, we studied how the electrically generated magnetic field works, which is the basic property behind the oscillation of the central part of the speaker, which generates the sound wave in any electronic speaker. :)

    And that is pure bogus.

    Newton's third law states that any action demands a reaction, equal in magnitude but opposite in direction. So let's say the Enterprise-D model I have sitting on my desk was the object we are trying to propel away from Earth and achieve FTL speeds. In order for the Enterprise-D to exceed 3x10^8 m/s (as the action), we need a reactive force. Sound waves, even compressed and stacked, will never generate enough force to push the Enterprise-D model out of the Earth's gravity well (defined by radius, distance and masses), near the speed of light, at the speed of light, and faster than the speed of light.

    And that's a desk model with less mass than my phone.

    sound cant. i agree, because sound only works when there is a medium for it to travel through. the enterprise can be lifted so long as it stays within the medium sound is using to lift it.

    BUT audio levitation works. they proved it on mythbusters.
  • thewolfsterthewolfster Member Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    garside wrote: »
    sound cant. i agree, because sound only works when there is a medium for it to travel through. the enterprise can be lifted so long as it stays within the medium sound is using to lift it.

    Not to mention that accelerating an object to light speed requires infinite energy, and in the process the object becomes infinitely massive.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Not to mention that accelerating an object to light speed requires infinite energy, and in the process the object becomes infinitely massive.

    which is exactly why bose einstein condensate centripical force works.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Not to mention that accelerating an object to light speed requires infinite energy, and in the process the object becomes infinitely massive.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    That's why God need a starship ? To have a challenge for his skills ?

    NO, to carry his wisdom.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    That's why God need a starship ? To have a challenge for his skills ?


    S9 SHARKNADO. awesome, and, plausible.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Even if somehow we could generate enough power to create the blackholes to distort space to allow FTL travel, the ship wouldn't survive either the antimatter reactions or the transit to warp speed. If the ship doesn't rip up at first, you still all go splat on the walls once the ship moves. Lots of other tech needs to be made first, containment fields, structural integrity fields, inertial dampers, and supercomputers capable of running all this and small enough to fit in a ship.
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