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"IKS Gorkon" name taboo?

sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
edited March 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I'm well aware the name bar doesn't let you name your ship Enterprise for obvious reasons. But why can't I name my kdf ship Gorkon?
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  • gofasternowgofasternow Member Posts: 1,390 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I'm guessing because it's a canon ship name. However, according to Memory Alpha, "Gorkon" was used as an Excelsior-class ship name.

    Which is incredibly odd.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    My best guess is - because the I.K.S. Gorkon it is Captain Klag's ship. It played a significant role in the novels and since we have Captain Klag as an NPC in the game (he's in charge of Ganalda Station) my assumption is that they don't want players to use that name since the Gorkon is probably still his starship.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    My best guess is - because the I.K.S. Gorkon it is Captain Klag's ship. It played a significant role in the novels and since we have Captain Klag as an NPC in the game (he's in charge of Ganalda Station) my assumption is that they don't want players to use that name since the Gorkon is probably still his starship.

    Captain Klag has given me an interesting idea. Star Trek TV series from the point of view of the Klingons. The first two series would be Klingon Captains exploring and conquering the galaxy. The DS9 version would have some Klingon in charge of a station and occasionally flying his ship and the Voyager version would have some Klingon ship thrown 70,000 lightyears away and trying to get back to Qo'Nos. Not sure if these series would be better with only a passing resemblance or go with an alternate universe where it is a Klingon Captain that meets Q and the Borg instead of Picard. Where it is a Klingon Commander in charge of a a spacestation in proximity to the Bajoran Wormhole and is the Emissary instead of Sisko.
  • gpgtxgpgtx Member Posts: 1,579 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    i was amazed i was able to name my Mogh battlecruiser the I.K.S. Kor as i thought that name would of surely been locked out as we have the Kang and koloth? i think are both locked out
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,511 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Some canon names just don't work. I tried Azetbur once; no chance.
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    There were canonically two ships named Gorkon, the IKS Gorkon and the USS Gorkon .
  • pulserazorpulserazor Member Posts: 590 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    quite simply:


    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Gorkon
  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    There are a couple of canon names that ARE usable.
    So an excelsior class vessel that was little more then a side note would be a strange reason for a lock out.
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  • exa12exa12 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    Captain Klag has given me an interesting idea. Star Trek TV series from the point of view of the Klingons. The first two series would be Klingon Captains exploring and conquering the galaxy. The DS9 version would have some Klingon in charge of a station and occasionally flying his ship and the Voyager version would have some Klingon ship thrown 70,000 lightyears away and trying to get back to Qo'Nos. Not sure if these series would be better with only a passing resemblance or go with an alternate universe where it is a Klingon Captain that meets Q and the Borg instead of Picard. Where it is a Klingon Commander in charge of a a spacestation in proximity to the Bajoran Wormhole and is the Emissary instead of Sisko.

    there is the Klingon-Andorian Compact in one of the AU's in the books, more or less the Federation but with them as the dominant races rather than Humans and Vulcans

    the voyager equivalent could be that D7 that went looking for the Kuva'mach

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  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I see all kinds of people using names of canon ships from the show their own playable ships. Heck I named my Galaxy class Yamato. I just wanted to know why IKS Gorkon of all names would be an issue. Because of some novel? That isn't even canon. The Yamato was actually on screen, as were countless, COUNTLESS other canon names people apply to their ships.
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  • rossi320rossi320 Member Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I was able to call one of my KDF ships the IKS "Gorkon's honour" to circumvent the naming issue. Maybe you could do something similar?
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    In addition to being the name of a canon ship, the IKS Gorkon from the novel series of the same name is also mentioned in "The Path to 2409". This indicates Cryptic can actually use it in the same manner they could use the Luna class from the "Titan" novel series.
    So maybe it's "reserved for future use" as well.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    sonnikku wrote: »
    I see all kinds of people using names of canon ships from the show their own playable ships. Heck I named my Galaxy class Yamato. I just wanted to know why IKS Gorkon of all names would be an issue. Because of some novel? That isn't even canon. The Yamato was actually on screen, as were countless, COUNTLESS other canon names people apply to their ships.

    The I.K.S. Gorkon novels were just mine assumption as to why the name could be restricted, since we have the main protagonist - Captain Klag already as an NPC in STO that is in charge of Ganalda space station, as I mentioned before. Wheather this is the reason or not is pure speculation.
    However, like misterde3 said - it could be very possible that they have reserved the name for some possible future involvment of Captain Klag and his ship in STO's content.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Another interesting bit is hidden in an old article about the the creation of the T2 Raptor:

    http://www.warcry.com/news/view/89845-Star-Trek-Online-Klingon-Raptor-Revealed

    it explains that the ship was designed by "Kurak of the House of Palkar".
    Kurak is a canon character, however the "House of Palkar" part is not from the TNG episode she was in, it comes exclusively from the novels. So it seems Cryptic considers those particular novels a valid source, canon or not.
  • oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I would love to see "Battlecruiser Vengence" on CBS myself ((the trek universe from the KDF POV)) lot of blowing things up, lot of sultry Orion babes falling for the obvious warrior virility of the ships captain.. and of course, every 'sode ends with.. "I am Kang of the Vengence, and this ship is mine"

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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Another interesting bit is hidden in an old article about the the creation of the T2 Raptor:

    http://www.warcry.com/news/view/89845-Star-Trek-Online-Klingon-Raptor-Revealed

    it explains that the ship was designed by "Kurak of the House of Palkar".
    Kurak is a canon character, however the "House of Palkar" part is not from the TNG episode she was in, it comes exclusively from the novels. So it seems Cryptic considers those particular novels a valid source, canon or not.

    Also, just to note that in the Gorkon novels it's also pointed out that Kurak was the lead engineer in the team that designed and created the Negh'var battlecruiser. So that might be related as well, with the existence of the Negh'var Class and all.
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  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Another interesting bit is hidden in an old article about the the creation of the T2 Raptor:

    http://www.warcry.com/news/view/89845-Star-Trek-Online-Klingon-Raptor-Revealed

    it explains that the ship was designed by "Kurak of the House of Palkar".
    Kurak is a canon character, however the "House of Palkar" part is not from the TNG episode she was in, it comes exclusively from the novels. So it seems Cryptic considers those particular novels a valid source, canon or not.

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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Another interesting bit is hidden in an old article about the the creation of the T2 Raptor:

    http://www.warcry.com/news/view/89845-Star-Trek-Online-Klingon-Raptor-Revealed

    it explains that the ship was designed by "Kurak of the House of Palkar".
    Kurak is a canon character, however the "House of Palkar" part is not from the TNG episode she was in, it comes exclusively from the novels. So it seems Cryptic considers those particular novels a valid source, canon or not.

    Actually there are tons of hints to the novels.

    Its actually a pity, although I do not like all the novels (some are really bad), it would be still kind of fun if that game would take place in the same continuity.
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  • badname834854badname834854 Member Posts: 1,186 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I.K.S. Gherkin is available, however. If you fly the bulwark with the Borg set you can make it look like a pickle.:D
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    theanothername wrote: »
    Some canon names just don't work. I tried Azetbur once; no chance.
    Azetbur wasn't bad looking. Her father... is probably the reason the name is disallowed.

    The devs took a list of major character names and made them off limits for this use. I'm guessing Gorkon counts.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    revandarklighter wrote: »
    Actually there are tons of hints to the novels.

    Its actually a pity, although I do not like all the novels (some are really bad), it would be still kind of fun if that game would take place in the same continuity.

    Or if not exactly the same (the "Destiny" novel series is clearly not followed, but referenced as an alternate reality in the STO novel) at least one that is...closely related to the novels to a certain degree.

    This also leaves the door open for the Chancellor class to appear in this game.:D
  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Weird that this name is locked out.

    There are more important errors in naming ships to canon. Cryptic tried to force us out of any main character name. Still have the I.S.S. Bashir in my ship list.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    Weird that this name is locked out.

    There are more important errors in naming ships to canon. Cryptic tried to force us out of any main character name. Still have the I.S.S. Bashir in my ship list.

    Maybe it's because certain names, like "Gorkon" are pretty much made up ones from Trek's own unverse and languages while "Bashir" is actually a common enough RL name...?:confused:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashir

    Just guessing at this point though.
  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    gofasternow wrote: »
    I'm guessing because it's a canon ship name. However, according to Memory Alpha, "Gorkon" was used as an Excelsior-class ship name.

    Which is incredibly odd.

    Naming a Federation starship after Gorkon or it being locked out?

    It would make sense if there was the actual IKS Gorkon flying around.
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Azetbur wasn't bad looking. Her father... is probably the reason the name is disallowed.

    The devs took a list of major character names and made them off limits for this use. I'm guessing Gorkon counts.

    I liked Azetbur.
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  • sle1989sle1989 Member Posts: 552 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It would be nice to see the Qang class at some point, preferably soon. It could be a KDF Vesta, as many, many other threads say.

    Then we could have the IKS Gorkon in game and that would then be the reason why we cant use the name in game.
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  • groomofweirdgroomofweird Member Posts: 1,045 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Ok so you can't name that ship the Gorkon because it is supposedly canon. If that is indeed the case then why do I have a ship called the Dauntless?? And as the op said there are several other canon names I see flying about.
    It is odd...
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  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,650 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I ran into this problem years ago. :P For my KDF Klingon who is of that family line. I added the house standing (per the work of John M. Ford) to her last name. With a hyphen. sutai-Gorkon. Whenever I roleplayed that her house standing increased, I changed her last name to vestai-Gorkon. Later, I came to understand that even that wasn't entirely accurate either.

    Consider that there is no letter K in the Klingon alphabet. The letter q or Q has the K sound in that language.

    Some pesky Human chronicled the assassination of a certain Klingon Chancellor. Spelling his name as Gorkon and his homeworld as Kronos in the subtitles. Yet, Qo'noS is the well-known and correct spelling of that planets name. Therefore, it has seemed to me that Gorkon isn't likely the accurate spelling of that Houses name either. Which is why I use Ghorqon instead.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    groomofweird wrote: »
    Ok so you can't name that ship the Gorkon because it is supposedly canon. If that is indeed the case then why do I have a ship called the Dauntless?? And as the op said there are several other canon names I see flying about.
    It is odd...
    Why wouldn't the devs let us name ships after the Dauntless? :P
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  • rickeyredshirtrickeyredshirt Member Posts: 1,059 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    My Obelisk carrier is the Kronos One... :)
  • groomofweirdgroomofweird Member Posts: 1,045 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I was referring to this ship:

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Dauntless

    But yes I get your point ;)
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