It's always amusing how many people think SWTOR is failing when it's doing better than the game they're touting...
Yep, I guess that's why EA/Bioware kept downsizing SWToR's Dev and support teams, while PWE/Cryptic has been hiring and expanding STO's Dev and support teams)
But hey, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal on BOTH sides of the fence here.
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I love the this F2P system. For one I don't have to pay each month, and try to feel like I got to play so many hours to justify it. Next it makes the wife happy cause $15 or more a month isn't being taken out of the bank each month. Since I'm lucky to play 4 hours max per week. Lot of weeks I'm on like 1-2 hours. However I do support the game as I buy all kinds of stuff from the store. From bank space, outfits, ships, etc. I rather have my $ for that stuff, than pay a monthly fee plus from the store. After a while that gets really expensive.
Plus look at the kids, who don't earn $. They can get on to play and don't have to buy something. So later they will be more likely to pay for stuff as they get a little older. Or can talk their parents into a ship, outfit, etc.
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Yep, I guess that's why EA/Bioware kept downsizing SWToR's Dev and support teams, while PWE/Cryptic has been hiring and expanding STO's Dev and support teams)
But hey, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal on BOTH sides of the fence here.
ya i been hearing dev for sto been up since pwe took over and i look back and really dont see it
btw has sto even got close to 2.3 like on FB
i can use one hand to tell you how many stf's have been added since this game went f2p i need two to count the number of flashpoint been added to tor since it went f2p lets not even talked about the love they do show pvp before the shuttle PvP when last time pvp in sto got showed loved want it like 4 years ago?
So, STO sucks less than the rest thus STO is the best. Got it. :rolleyes:
"Best" does mean "better than the competition", does it not?
(Your plaint reminds me of a line from "M*A*S*H". I don't recall what award prompted the observation, but I do remember Maj. Winchester observing, "That is like being the best ballet dancer in Peoria!")
Yep, I guess that's why EA/Bioware kept downsizing SWToR's Dev and support teams, while PWE/Cryptic has been hiring and expanding STO's Dev and support teams)
But hey, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal on BOTH sides of the fence here.
Because they are losing subs every quarter. And even with this quarter they are trying to lure people back before the end of March with a "speeder" is even more amusing.
Yep, I got the "resub by 3/17 and get a free speeder" e-mail. I just LOL'ed at it and pressed the delete button. Not worth the 15 per month. Especially being a reskin of a very common speeder in the game that my Cybertech could make a better looking one too boot.
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So, STO sucks less than the rest thus STO is the best. Got it. :rolleyes:
Nobody with a right mind will say STO is the best. But same with SWTOR. Only people without a brain think it's the best. But why are those braindead not playing TOR if it's the greatest thing out there?
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I want to see that trick. Because I can't do that. I do not have negative hands.
They removed STFs, and didn't add any.
That depends on how you define "STF". They added the space and ground Hive didn't they? The new Voth pve queue missions are a lot like STFs. There's also the new Elachi stuff.
IMO, this game has the best F2P system I've seen thus far. The reason being is the F2P player may have to spend more time, and be more choosy about how they spend their dil but the F2P player is just as viable as the person willing to shell out some coin. I helped a F2P with some advice on what to get with limited resources and with some patience. That character is just as viable as any of my toons and I've spent through the nose.
It's not perfect but Cryptic has it right. Money buy's you time not having to grind dil, ships you dont have to grind for, and quicker access to resources but left the F2P player a realistic shot at nearly all the items the paying customer can get. I have my issues with the direction somethings have gone on STO, but this is one of the things keeping me here.
That depends on how you define "STF". They added the space and ground Hive didn't they? The new Voth pve queue missions are a lot like STFs. There's also the new Elachi stuff.
I'm glad they broke up the STF's into space and ground. Nothing was more frustrating then being in a PuG and failing in the last room because some had no clue how to do it.
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"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
That depends on how you define "STF". They added the space and ground Hive didn't they? The new Voth pve queue missions are a lot like STFs. There's also the new Elachi stuff.
Well I forgot about the Hive, I admit. Although I connect the "classic" STFs with the term, not the poor many fleet actions. Still its an stf.
Leaves the question why one need a hand to count to zero, with Terradome being removed we are where we started.
You get rep marks don't you? :P So what if it's not Omega. :P
Anyways, I figure Terradome will be back in season 9 after being remastered.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Special_Task_Force dont see any fleet mission voth on that list it may be out of date some one may need to update it so it can show me the voth stf fleet stf
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Special_Task_Force dont see any fleet mission voth on that list it may be out of date some one may need to update it so it can show me the voth stf fleet stf
I believe markhawkman is referring to how the definition of STFs has changed over the years. It used to be content that took 5 people to complete, took over an hour to complete, and is composed of ground and space elements. Now the STFs have been changed to only require ground or space and takes less than 15 minutes for space while about 30 minutes for ground. There is no difference between the current STFs and something like Storming the Spire.
I believe markhawkman is referring to how the definition of STFs has changed over the years. It used to be content that took 5 people to complete, took over an hour to complete, and is composed of ground and space elements. Now the STFs have been changed to only require ground or space and takes less than 15 minutes for space while about 30 minutes for ground. There is no difference between the current STFs and something like Storming the Spire.
Bad enough IMO.
But I'm stubborn on the terminology. If it's not labeled stf... It's not an stf.
"Best" does mean "better than the competition", does it not?
Technically it does, yes. But I'd still place "they suck less than everyone else" pretty low on the list of what I'd want people saying about any company I ran.
(Your plaint reminds me of a line from "M*A*S*H". I don't recall what award prompted the observation, but I do remember Maj. Winchester observing, "That is like being the best ballet dancer in Peoria!")
Most any observation by Frank was good. I still love his reminding Walter O'Reilly "I'm the garbage officer here."
I like the F2P system, that's why I keep playing. The dil/zen market is great for those that have lots of time but no real money to spend but still want to earn zen items.
It's the boxes that I hate. It seems to be a popular thing nowadays to include a very unprofitable (for the player) gambling system tied to the real money market merely to exploit the weak willed and simple minded.
I believe markhawkman is referring to how the definition of STFs has changed over the years. It used to be content that took 5 people to complete, took over an hour to complete, and is composed of ground and space elements. Now the STFs have been changed to only require ground or space and takes less than 15 minutes for space while about 30 minutes for ground. There is no difference between the current STFs and something like Storming the Spire.
But I'm stubborn on the terminology. If it's not labeled stf... It's not an stf.
Well... the Borg missions AREN'T labeled that in game any more are they? :P
Anyways, Minetrap requires at least minimal coordination to give worthwhile marks. Then again in many ways(except marks) it's very similar to the 20 man fleet actions.
Then we have the Voth, Elachi, and Tholian missions which have a level requirement of 50.
The Easy and Med Nukara missions are nowhere close to the difficulty of the Borg STFs. But the Hards? I've done Nukara Int hard. It makes (regular)Hive Ground seem easy. So.... many... Tholians....
Now the Voth missions are a bit different in that they're simply a matter of keeping at it until the Voth die or go home. The catch is that if your teamwork sucks you don't get much of a reward since the marks are a function of how well you did.
I like this game, but how some people have the stones to say it is the best MMO around, or better than SWTOR i have no idea. People hating on SWTOR clearly havent played it since it released or at least within the last year. Its a damn good game, and has infinitely more content than this half hearted attempt at an MMO in all honesty.
I will not say sto is the greatest game ever that view is entirely objective to the player, it`s just the greatest game for me.
what I like about a game another player might hate, I have sampled many other mmo`s but sto is the only game I will happy play as much as I do.
SWTOR has some very good aspects but I just got bored with its repetitive nature, after you have picked up a multitude of missions from point A taken out all the baddies from point A to point B cleared the mission in one or two minutes and had to fight the same baddies on the return journey from point B to A to turn in the mission and repeated that a multitude of times it all gets a little tedious.
at least with the story missions in sto I know that if I do a story mission be it from the devs or from the foundry I know that I will play for a certain amount of time on that one mission and in most cases when I take out a baddie he stays out, and when I do the next mission I will not be facing the same baddies on the same map all over again.
I am quite happy to take on respawning baddies in game zones like nimbus3 or the sphere but I can balance that out with a few story missions so it doesn't get too repetitive.
Again for those who do dish out considerable amounts of money into this game, I at least thank you because what little I can spend from time to time isn't very much, but you need remember that what you are spending it on is simple entertainment like TV, and not something you get to own so you are spending at your own risk with the understanding that they decide what programming to provide.
I agree with this 100% , well said.;)
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
this just in imo if its not a borg stf its will never be one in my book dont care if it has to have 5 men to 50 if it dont have stf or give me Omega marks if its not on this list it not a stf http://sto.gamepedia.com/Special_Task_Force them voth mission are to me nothing more then 5 man fleet mark mission now on to the next thing
I will not say sto is the greatest game ever that view is entirely objective to the player, it`s just the greatest game for me.
what I like about a game another player might hate, I have sampled many other mmo`s but sto is the only game I will happy play as much as I do.
SWTOR has some very good aspects but I just got bored with its repetitive nature, after you have picked up a multitude of missions from point A taken out all the baddies from point A to point B cleared the mission in one or two minutes and had to fight the same baddies on the return journey from point B to A to turn in the mission and repeated that a multitude of times it all gets a little tedious.
at least with the story missions in sto I know that if I do a story mission be it from the devs or from the foundry I know that I will play for a certain amount of time on that one mission and in most cases when I take out a baddie he stays out, and when I do the next mission I will not be facing the same baddies on the same map all over again.
this how i fell about sto and rep box's we always get every season at least tor does real mission real FP that i dont have to grind for days to get to at least tor has a real loot system that is not tied to a rep system at least i get money from when i kill something sto is a joke only mmo i seen dont drop money when i kill some body
One of the more vocal defenders of SWTOR in here, booted everyone out of his guild and quit SWTOR. If SWTOR was so great, why quit then come here acting like the game is the greatest game going and also trashing this game? That's kind of trollish if you ask me.
If you destroy your fleet by taking your ball and going home, why should the next group of people trust you will lead the fleet properly? Things that make you go hmmmm.
One of the more vocal defenders of SWTOR in here, booted everyone out of his guild and quit SWTOR. If SWTOR was so great, why quit then come here acting like the game is the greatest game going and also trashing this game? That's kind of trollish if you ask me.
what some one does in tor has nothing to do with over here cryptic pwe has no control over it or its player
Well... the Borg missions AREN'T labeled that in game any more are they? :P
Anyways, Minetrap requires at least minimal coordination to give worthwhile marks. Then again in many ways(except marks) it's very similar to the 20 man fleet actions.
Then we have the Voth, Elachi, and Tholian missions which have a level requirement of 50.
The Easy and Med Nukara missions are nowhere close to the difficulty of the Borg STFs. But the Hards? I've done Nukara Int hard. It makes (regular)Hive Ground seem easy. So.... many... Tholians....
Now the Voth missions are a bit different in that they're simply a matter of keeping at it until the Voth die or go home. The catch is that if your teamwork sucks you don't get much of a reward since the marks are a function of how well you did.
Well then we are back at -1^^
Honestly... I hate how they removed any REAL Team content from the game.
Its not that I don't like the current type of missions in general. I like that ... well I call it "fast food content". It makes good relaxed playing while watching tv or being on the phone or even both... I don't ALWAYS want to do something challenging that takes my full attention.
But then again, SOMETIMES I want this.
Sometimes I want to group with people and do harder stuff that takes coordination, something that isn't designed for Idiots and random groups.
I WANT to spend some time to crack that particular mission. I remember when the original infected was released, we spent six full hours trying to beat the boss. But it was FUN.
It should not be one OR the other content. In a GOOD game we would have BOTH. And even if they don't want to ADD more of that why removing the missions that were at least close to it?
And I mean... why are we even gathering equip in the first place? I can do the STFs.. and basically all PVE content, with the white equip coming with the ship. Without DOs. No problem here. I might die once or twice more in elite stfs but... pf. This is of no consequence, and with the gate or the invisible plasma gorps I can die with good equip too.
So really, there is no need for gathering better eqiop or getting better ships through the lack of challenging content.
And also the fun thing: the original 3 STFs were addet within the first 3 seasons. Still the current castrated versions are STILL the most played missions. Those 3 are STILL the main contend of the game along with the 2 space pvp games, while they added fluff it feels to me that the only thing having the remotest significance in gameplay that had been added since Kithomer 3 years ago is the Voth ground zone. Everything else is just... there.
But then again, SOMETIMES I want this.
Sometimes I want to group with people and do harder stuff that takes coordination, something that isn't designed for Idiots and random groups.
I WANT to spend some time to crack that particular mission. I remember when the original infected was released, we spent six full hours trying to beat the boss. But it was FUN.
i recall them days i call them the good old days was even playing full time also but then cryptic started going down this extremely casual road and that is why i dont play it as much any more back in them days i didnt have to pay dill and mark to get my gear
i recall them days i call them the good old days was even playing full time also but then cryptic started going down this extremely casual road and that is why i dont play it as much any more back in them days i didnt have to pay dill and mark to get my gear
I don't know what sto game you're remembering but back in the day the best gear was gotten via random drops in stfs, and often you had to do scores of them to get all the drops, and the best weapons were gotten via marks earned from the pvp vendors on k7. There was never a point in time where you didn't need to excessively grind something to get the best gear in sto.
I don't know what sto game you're remembering but back in the day the best gear was gotten via random drops in stfs, and often you had to do scores of them to get all the drops, and the best weapons were gotten via marks earned from the pvp vendors on k7. There was never a point in time where you didn't need to excessively grind something to get the best gear in sto.
ya like a real mmo ya i do recall them drop recall my main having all sets of MK 11 dont know why you used pvp weps when they had better with anti borg procs
let me guess you one of them went 6 months trying didnt get any thing?
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Yep, I guess that's why EA/Bioware kept downsizing SWToR's Dev and support teams, while PWE/Cryptic has been hiring and expanding STO's Dev and support teams)
But hey, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal on BOTH sides of the fence here.
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Plus look at the kids, who don't earn $. They can get on to play and don't have to buy something. So later they will be more likely to pay for stuff as they get a little older. Or can talk their parents into a ship, outfit, etc.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
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ya i been hearing dev for sto been up since pwe took over and i look back and really dont see it
btw has sto even got close to 2.3 like on FB
i can use one hand to tell you how many stf's have been added since this game went f2p i need two to count the number of flashpoint been added to tor since it went f2p lets not even talked about the love they do show pvp before the shuttle PvP when last time pvp in sto got showed loved want it like 4 years ago?
system Lord Baal is dead
(Your plaint reminds me of a line from "M*A*S*H". I don't recall what award prompted the observation, but I do remember Maj. Winchester observing, "That is like being the best ballet dancer in Peoria!")
It's even more amusing with the blind don't see the direction the game they are championing is going.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
Because they are losing subs every quarter. And even with this quarter they are trying to lure people back before the end of March with a "speeder" is even more amusing.
Yep, I got the "resub by 3/17 and get a free speeder" e-mail. I just LOL'ed at it and pressed the delete button. Not worth the 15 per month. Especially being a reskin of a very common speeder in the game that my Cybertech could make a better looking one too boot.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
Nobody with a right mind will say STO is the best. But same with SWTOR. Only people without a brain think it's the best. But why are those braindead not playing TOR if it's the greatest thing out there?
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
I want to see that trick. Because I can't do that. I do not have negative hands.
They removed STFs, and didn't add any.
My character Tsin'xing
system Lord Baal is dead
It's not perfect but Cryptic has it right. Money buy's you time not having to grind dil, ships you dont have to grind for, and quicker access to resources but left the F2P player a realistic shot at nearly all the items the paying customer can get. I have my issues with the direction somethings have gone on STO, but this is one of the things keeping me here.
I'm glad they broke up the STF's into space and ground. Nothing was more frustrating then being in a PuG and failing in the last room because some had no clue how to do it.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
Well I forgot about the Hive, I admit. Although I connect the "classic" STFs with the term, not the poor many fleet actions. Still its an stf.
Leaves the question why one need a hand to count to zero, with Terradome being removed we are where we started.
Anyways, I figure Terradome will be back in season 9 after being remastered.
My character Tsin'xing
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Special_Task_Force dont see any fleet mission voth on that list it may be out of date some one may need to update it so it can show me the voth stf fleet stf
system Lord Baal is dead
I believe markhawkman is referring to how the definition of STFs has changed over the years. It used to be content that took 5 people to complete, took over an hour to complete, and is composed of ground and space elements. Now the STFs have been changed to only require ground or space and takes less than 15 minutes for space while about 30 minutes for ground. There is no difference between the current STFs and something like Storming the Spire.
Wow that would be one in 2 years then. And then is not now. Not impressed.
And it will be another poor mans fleet action when it comes back...
Bad enough IMO.
But I'm stubborn on the terminology. If it's not labeled stf... It's not an stf.
Technically it does, yes. But I'd still place "they suck less than everyone else" pretty low on the list of what I'd want people saying about any company I ran.
Most any observation by Frank was good. I still love his reminding Walter O'Reilly "I'm the garbage officer here."
It's the boxes that I hate. It seems to be a popular thing nowadays to include a very unprofitable (for the player) gambling system tied to the real money market merely to exploit the weak willed and simple minded.
Anyways, Minetrap requires at least minimal coordination to give worthwhile marks. Then again in many ways(except marks) it's very similar to the 20 man fleet actions.
Then we have the Voth, Elachi, and Tholian missions which have a level requirement of 50.
The Easy and Med Nukara missions are nowhere close to the difficulty of the Borg STFs. But the Hards? I've done Nukara Int hard. It makes (regular)Hive Ground seem easy. So.... many... Tholians....
Now the Voth missions are a bit different in that they're simply a matter of keeping at it until the Voth die or go home. The catch is that if your teamwork sucks you don't get much of a reward since the marks are a function of how well you did.
My character Tsin'xing
I will not say sto is the greatest game ever that view is entirely objective to the player, it`s just the greatest game for me.
what I like about a game another player might hate, I have sampled many other mmo`s but sto is the only game I will happy play as much as I do.
SWTOR has some very good aspects but I just got bored with its repetitive nature, after you have picked up a multitude of missions from point A taken out all the baddies from point A to point B cleared the mission in one or two minutes and had to fight the same baddies on the return journey from point B to A to turn in the mission and repeated that a multitude of times it all gets a little tedious.
at least with the story missions in sto I know that if I do a story mission be it from the devs or from the foundry I know that I will play for a certain amount of time on that one mission and in most cases when I take out a baddie he stays out, and when I do the next mission I will not be facing the same baddies on the same map all over again.
I am quite happy to take on respawning baddies in game zones like nimbus3 or the sphere but I can balance that out with a few story missions so it doesn't get too repetitive.
I am happy that the reverse is also true.:)
I agree with this 100% , well said.;)
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
system Lord Baal is dead
this how i fell about sto and rep box's we always get every season at least tor does real mission real FP that i dont have to grind for days to get to at least tor has a real loot system that is not tied to a rep system at least i get money from when i kill something sto is a joke only mmo i seen dont drop money when i kill some body
system Lord Baal is dead
what some one does in tor has nothing to do with over here cryptic pwe has no control over it or its player
system Lord Baal is dead
Well then we are back at -1^^
Honestly... I hate how they removed any REAL Team content from the game.
Its not that I don't like the current type of missions in general. I like that ... well I call it "fast food content". It makes good relaxed playing while watching tv or being on the phone or even both... I don't ALWAYS want to do something challenging that takes my full attention.
But then again, SOMETIMES I want this.
Sometimes I want to group with people and do harder stuff that takes coordination, something that isn't designed for Idiots and random groups.
I WANT to spend some time to crack that particular mission. I remember when the original infected was released, we spent six full hours trying to beat the boss. But it was FUN.
It should not be one OR the other content. In a GOOD game we would have BOTH. And even if they don't want to ADD more of that why removing the missions that were at least close to it?
And I mean... why are we even gathering equip in the first place? I can do the STFs.. and basically all PVE content, with the white equip coming with the ship. Without DOs. No problem here. I might die once or twice more in elite stfs but... pf. This is of no consequence, and with the gate or the invisible plasma gorps I can die with good equip too.
So really, there is no need for gathering better eqiop or getting better ships through the lack of challenging content.
And also the fun thing: the original 3 STFs were addet within the first 3 seasons. Still the current castrated versions are STILL the most played missions. Those 3 are STILL the main contend of the game along with the 2 space pvp games, while they added fluff it feels to me that the only thing having the remotest significance in gameplay that had been added since Kithomer 3 years ago is the Voth ground zone. Everything else is just... there.
i recall them days i call them the good old days was even playing full time also but then cryptic started going down this extremely casual road and that is why i dont play it as much any more back in them days i didnt have to pay dill and mark to get my gear
system Lord Baal is dead
ya like a real mmo ya i do recall them drop recall my main having all sets of MK 11 dont know why you used pvp weps when they had better with anti borg procs
let me guess you one of them went 6 months trying didnt get any thing?
system Lord Baal is dead