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NWS and fleet alert mark payment method changed.

ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
edited March 2014 in Feature Episodes, Events and PvE Content
NWS and fleet alert no longer give marks per wave. You must complete or lose them to get whatever marks you earned.
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  • charliescot25charliescot25 Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It was good while it lasted...
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  • vsilverwings1vsilverwings1 Member Posts: 572 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    All the more reason to break for 10 each time (and get even more for bit more work) and use my alts.

    Erm....thanks Cryptic? Not sure many will agree though but don't worry I'm not singing your praises :P.
  • john98837john98837 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    So we ask for more waves or a no win scenario elite because the one we have now is so easy to beat we can do it with 3 people and what do you do, you nerf it so you can't farm it anymore. That's great work there, really responding to your customers.
  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    So I am guessing this means folks can no longer go 'not doing the last wave as its pretty bad on a marks to time ratio' and warp out leaving the rest of the team in limbo?
    Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
  • vipers69plus1vipers69plus1 Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Don't make it so easy for star citizen. Oh wait you folks must want to play that to when you don't have a JOB anymore. In that case keep up the GOOD WORK and we will see ya in game! That one not this one LMAO!
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  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    If its intended, its a nice stealth patch^^
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Oh FFS, as if getting a No Win group together isn't hard enough, now this? Plus people still learning it won't get anything so they'll be even less inclined, and if you lose at like 9 or 10 because one player got overwhelmed, everyone gets nothing? I mean makes sense for Fleet Alert, but that just screws up No Win to No End.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    It's is about time! Thank you Cryptic. Nice job. :D
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  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Hope this is true, really tired of exploiters cutting out which ruins it for everyone else.
  • john98837john98837 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    noroblad wrote: »
    Hope this is true, really tired of exploiters cutting out which ruins it for everyone else.

    If your talking about fleet alert i'll give you that one, people did it in the public queues which wasn't right. People could not farm no win in the public queues, it hurt noone to farm in private queues but as usual cryptic has found a new way to ram **** in ***.
  • vsilverwings1vsilverwings1 Member Posts: 572 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    Oh FFS, as if getting a No Win group together isn't hard enough, now this? Plus people still learning it won't get anything so they'll be even less inclined, and if you lose at like 9 or 10 because one player got overwhelmed, everyone gets nothing? I mean makes sense for Fleet Alert, but that just screws up No Win to No End.

    You don't get nothing you just get an end reward at the end it seems. If you fail on 10 you'll get a reward for getting that far it's not all or nothing - that would kill off any interest for most people.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    vsilverwings1 wrote: »
    You don't get nothing you just get an end reward at the end it seems. If you fail on 10 you'll get a reward for getting that far it's not all or nothing - that would kill off any interest for most people.

    Oh. Less annoying then. Never quite understood why even farmers would quit on 10 anyways, since that one last wave was 144 more (unless you had a really fast farming team). Personally I preferred trying to always get 10 anyways just on principle, but still this is gonna make it harder to get a group together, and the public NWS channels were already ghost towns. And just when I'm trying to get my fleet into it too. :(
  • rainmotorsportsrainmotorsports Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    vsilverwings1 wrote: »
    You don't get nothing you just get an end reward at the end it seems. If you fail on 10 you'll get a reward for getting that far it's not all or nothing - that would kill off any interest for most people.

    Doesn't kill me as much as other people. I have 3 no win toons so effectively if it wasnt for some of my guys only having 1 or 2 we can keep running it regardless of the 30 minute cool down. Die on wave 10 its still 242 marks (just got 243 on a pug) switch toon. 2 toons isn't terrible it just means doing other things.
  • rainmotorsportsrainmotorsports Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    Oh. Less annoying then. Never quite understood why even farmers would quit on 10 anyways, since that one last wave was 144 more (unless you had a really fast farming team). Personally I preferred trying to always get 10 anyways just on principle, but still this is gonna make it harder to get a group together, and the public NWS channels were already ghost towns. And just when I'm trying to get my fleet into it too. :(

    You quit on wave 10 to get no cool down so you can get 242 marks every 15 minutes. You do this with an organized team not with some random guy who doesn't know whats going on. Since 1 out of 5 times your going to fail the risk is greater than the reward.

    As I said above multiple toons its not so bad plus you might accolade your noobies more often!
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    Never quite understood why even farmers would quit on 10
    Winning puts it on cooldown, so does losing, the only thing that doesnt put it on CD is if you bail out while its running. Same for most of the queued events. The public STFs are the only thing that gets a leaver penalty, and even with them the private queues dont.
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2014
    Dear Cryptic:

    Since you went ahead and did this, can you please remove the cooldown on fleet credit farming PvE events. Not sure if you're aware but even by abusing the system, it took 3 hours straight of farming just to get 1 piece of fleet gear.

    Now it will take at least 6 hours.

    Oh well, to all the people who don't have fleet items, good luck getting them now. The devs created a big chasm to overcome now.

    The alternative? Try to crit Dyson sphere doff assignments and turn in the excess CXP (If you have excess).
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    good its about time this exploit got fixed.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    lucho80 wrote: »
    Oh well, to all the people who don't have fleet items, good luck getting them now. The devs created a big chasm to overcome now.
    There are a lot of sources for FMs. Farming NWS was just the most efficient (by far). All of my toons are fully equipped and only two of them ever did NWS much at all.
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2014
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    There are a lot of sources for FMs. Farming NWS was just the most efficient (by far). All of my toons are fully equipped and only two of them ever did NWS much at all.

    It's not the old toons. Heck, I farmed Nukara when you could get 900 fleet marks an hour so my main toon has more than a mil fleet credits. I'd love to see how a newer player can get fleet credits easily short of farming dilithium for them.
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Getting to wave 9 in a pug was almost impossible. This hurts everyone who formed private teams to run the mission together.
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  • vsilverwings1vsilverwings1 Member Posts: 572 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I can see how Cryptic considers it an exploit because it screwed up their maths and didn't see NWS becoming a haven for farming but seriously this has been going on for just over a year. They designed the rewards to be per wave so to then call it an exploit seems poorly judged when they've had plenty of time to close this 'exploit'.

    Someone's pointed it out already people skipped on 10 to avoid the CD but since you get the CD either way going for 10 is going to make NWS more fun and keep me a little more on my toes. NWS still remains my farming fm method of choice for now. The moment they nerf the reward is when NWS interest nosedives.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    ursusmorologus wrote: »
    Winning puts it on cooldown, so does losing, the only thing that doesnt put it on CD is if you bail out while its running. Same for most of the queued events. The public STFs are the only thing that gets a leaver penalty, and even with them the private queues dont.

    Oh I knew that, I just mean that you quit on 9 and have no CD, but find you gotta find your people again, replace the one or two who didn't get out in time, clean out your inventory, etc, takes up time anyways. Or just beat 10 which counts for most of another run anyways, stretch your legs, grab a soda, chill a few minutes, then go again. So you can be the Super Efficient Master Farmer, or just do it the normal way for almost the same results. I mean why work so hard at exploiting the system when there's not much actual benefit from doing so?
  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    Oh I knew that, I just mean that you quit on 9 and have no CD, but find you gotta find your people again, replace the one or two who didn't get out in time, clean out your inventory, etc, takes up time anyways. Or just beat 10 which counts for most of another run anyways, stretch your legs, grab a soda, chill a few minutes, then go again. So you can be the Super Efficient Master Farmer, or just do it the normal way for almost the same results. I mean why work so hard at exploiting the system when there's not much actual benefit from doing so?

    Because your math doesnt work out, you get far more by farming then by winning.
  • johnstewardjohnsteward Member Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Farming W10 should be better than just farming W9, you just need 3-4 chars to cycle. And failing W10 will just ruin local efficiency as you just loose the 1-2 minutes it normally takes to complete W10

    they way i see it, say force us to use more effective W10 farming thus limiting it to those capable of fielding the number of chars necessary
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    lucho80 wrote: »
    It's not the old toons. Heck, I farmed Nukara when you could get 900 fleet marks an hour so my main toon has more than a mil fleet credits. I'd love to see how a newer player can get fleet credits easily short of farming dilithium for them.
    240 from Deferi ground once per day, then rotate between Crystaline elite, fleet alert and colony invasion every half hour, that gets you 500 in a couple of hours every day. Mix in things like Mine Trap and the other fleet maps periodically. And you can still do NWS every hour.
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  • drake122svkdrake122svk Member Posts: 731 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    So it took Craptic one year to realize that farming was actually an exploit or is it that they just decided people shouldn't have so many Fleet marks and they should instead spend real money if they want elite fleet gear? Pathetic I say.
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  • vsilverwings1vsilverwings1 Member Posts: 572 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Whoever made NWS farmable should be held responsible :D.
  • bones1970bones1970 Member Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Another mission cryptic killed for me...
    Its time the 'fix' Defera so i can play mwo all the time.
  • cyckathcyckath Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Hmm, might actually end up with the accolade now
  • nagrom7nagrom7 Member Posts: 995 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I love how they don't add changes like this in the patch notes
    It's like they know it's unpopular...
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