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stuart1965stuart1965 Member Posts: 691 Arc User
New science destroyer prices.
Looks a good ship in the z store,however they are heavily overpriced as usual. Very expensive.
I know cryptic is money mad,but show alittle compassion please.
Make the new ships abit more affordable for all.
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  • kiloacekiloace Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Overpriced?


    Granted, the ship didn't seem overly impressive in the mission, but you're getting a ton of really good stuff.

    The Federation version has the highest shield modifier we've yet seen in STO, The Klingon and Romulan have comparable stats with cloak, the set powers and set bonuses are considerable, its effectively 2 ships in one with additional customization options (thanks to the universal BOFF slot).

    I'm actually quite surprised they would make a ship this formidable and have it be comparable to lock box stats.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The Science Destroyer is a Fleet-quality T5.5 ship with special Consoles and two Set Bonuses. The price of those ships have traditionally been 2,500 Zen for one or 5,000 for a 3-pack: Odyssey, Bortasque, Kumari, Vesta, etc.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2014
    stuart1965 wrote: »
    I know cryptic is money mad,but show alittle compassion please.

    Nope, not at all.
    Seeing the new trend among devs: selling max level chars for $60, selling collector's edition exclusive race in a sub game, etc, I think Cryptic is doing very fine. They want you to be invested in this game. And STO is a very good game. And these ships are strong.
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  • teluasteluas Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I agree, this is a fantastic ship. I bought the Romulan 3-pack for my Rom-Fed sci officer, and am having a blast!
  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The Science Destroyer is a Fleet-quality T5.5 ship with special Consoles and two Set Bonuses. The price of those ships have traditionally been 2,500 Zen for one or 5,000 for a 3-pack: Odyssey, Bortasque, Kumari, Vesta, etc.

    Cosmic didn't I see in another thread you mention an offer to get all three sets for 10k? If so maybe this is what the OP is referring to, and maybe they misread it as the price for one three pack. I know I am guilty of misreading prices on more than one occasion, though in one of those it was in my favour.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    decronia wrote: »
    Cosmic didn't I see in another thread you mention an offer to get all three sets for 10k? If so maybe this is what the OP is referring to, and maybe they misread it as the price for one three pack. I know I am guilty of misreading prices on more than one occasion, though in one of those it was in my favour.
    Yes, that is correct. You can buy all 9 ships at once for 10,000 Zen rather then purchasing the three 3-packs for 5,000 Zen each. Cryptic is giving players a chance to save 5,000 Zen if they want all 9 ships.

    It is quite possible he is misreading the price, or believing that he must purchase all 9 ships. That is not the case, though.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,900 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Try MWO...$55 for my favorite chassis...price completely killed my urge to play the game.
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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I can only assume when he says 'as usual' he just means ships in general are too expensive. they probably are but they have been that price for a while now, and people are buying them so thats probably not going to change anytime soon.

    if you want all nine, and plan to use them all and the consoles to good effect then its a good deal, although in reality most people will only fly 2 or 3 ships and *maybe* use the consoles. unless you really plan to get a lot out of this pack then im not sure the 10k is worth it, but as always its up to people to decide.

    you can always buy them individually.
  • edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    bernatk wrote: »
    Nope, not at all.
    Seeing the new trend among devs: selling max level chars for $60, selling collector's edition exclusive race in a sub game, etc, I think Cryptic is doing very fine. They want you to be invested in this game. And STO is a very good game. And these ships are strong.

    If you think cryptic is not a money mad, then you are another one of those people that are contributing to the fall of STO. Cryptic is maybe the most money eater ive ever seen in my life. And i am not to youn eh? xD.

    STO is a good game, i dont think people will be throwing again those incredible high ammounts of money if it was not. Thats for sure.

    Im not saying that, with the excuse of "STO is a f2p game", cryptic should just forgot about improving and fixing all the bugs in the game, but at least, they should show some respect for the customers, trying to fix the most important bugs that are there since ages ago. That will show at least a little of interest and players will be really grateful. But they dont even do that. They just keep avoiding fixing things and makes things betters and instead, they keep making new content that they know people like all those rich ones will buy. And with that, cryptic is happy and they can keep just forgetting about the bad things that are present in the game.

    That how a money eater works. Of course, fixing bugs is harder than making new content, but is part of the job. But cryptic seems to not be aware of it. Again, because it is a f2p game. And still there are people like you that will defend cryptic, because probably you are one of those that waste 1/4 of the salary in the game (its no so hard anyways lol).

    Cryptic should be giving free expensive gifts to every player almost every week, to compensate the lack of interest of making the game better, so dont say that they give players gifts time by time, and you should be grateful, thats stupid. But meh, they make dumb events and they give away half gifts always with the intention to sell more stuff in the future, always the same story. As i said, 0 interest in the customers.

    Sorry, i needed to say this. Because it creeps me out that nobody seem to care about the future of STO. Unfortunately.

    EVERYTHING is really expensive, not only ships. But of course, the ships are the more expensive items. Talking about the conversion zen - money. Its just stupid how expensive is everything.
  • mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I agree the ships are a good price and have good stats at about 1100 zen a piece in the mega bundle. The level of art and customization though is quite disappointing. We should be able to use our custom skins especially those we paid for like the vet material. I don't see why gear looks can be applied but not veteran or faction specific looks.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,476 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Too expensive? Mine is costing me about 5-10 minutes per day for a total of 15 days. (The range is because on three days, I had to run "A Step Between Stars" as well, to get the extra parts, as well as the original 400 Qmendations - and of course I'll have to run it three times again when I get the ship, so I can get the higher-level versions of those parts.)

    My time isn't worth so much that five minutes per day is "expensive"...
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  • paspinallpaspinall Member Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kiloace wrote: »
    Overpriced?


    Granted, the ship didn't seem overly impressive in the mission, but you're getting a ton of really good stuff.

    The Federation version has the highest shield modifier we've yet seen in STO, The Klingon and Romulan have comparable stats with cloak, the set powers and set bonuses are considerable, its effectively 2 ships in one with additional customization options (thanks to the universal BOFF slot).

    I'm actually quite surprised they would make a ship this formidable and have it be comparable to lock box stats.

    Actually IS it ? The C-store stats show a lower shield mod than the Wells not higher like the blog.
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The Cstore dyson ships are priced as normal.

    Whatever else one may think of them or any issues surrounding them, one cant in good faith call them over expensive.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Yes they can; it isn't so much the price as how they've been marketed and the precedent it sets.
    What precedent? I bought the Oddy, Bort, and Scimitar 3-packs for 5,000 Zen each - 15,000 in total. How is that any different then purchasing a Fed, Rom, and KDF Science Destroyer packs for 10,000 as a huge bundle or 15,000 as three 3-packs?

    To me it looks like they are trying to give the people who want all 9 ships a break. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • funkfantasticfunkfantastic Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The problem though is that we are basically now paying these extremely high prices to rent 0's and 1's at PWE/cryptic's leasure. 10k zen for the whole 9 dyson ship bundle is 123 us dollars which kinda equals the price of a special edition xbox game or a good gaming headset. The difference though is that we dont get to own any physical commodity we pay for when we buy stuff from the c-store but instead only rent digital pixels for as long as the powers that be decideds to keep the sto servers running.

    Tbh we are not talking microtransactions any more when looking at the prices in the ingame store and tbh 123 dollars is a redicolus price for the average joe with a average wage considering we dont actually get any "real" value back in comparison to what we pay for considering we only have access to our commodities as long as the STO servers live on.

    And in relation to the argument that we invest in sto's survival and progress everytime we buy stuff from the zen store or pure zen etc., it should be expected to see a game lightyears ahead of the current state of the game when looking at the current average cash required to get a lockbox ship or anything out of the newer ships put in the zen-store considering cryptics console synergy model for those.

    It can ofcause alo be argued that you can farm the dil ingame to convert to zen over time and dont pay a dime but to be honest cryptic seem to pull more and more options out of the game in that regard each season with the point of forcing us to buy the currency if we aren't fulltime farmers that farm 23 hours a day

    mmmm....good to get rid of all that bile....now i can enjoy my dinner with a smile ;)
  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    If the 9 pack is too much, buy a 3 pack. If that's to much, buy one ship. If that's too much, just don't buy any. The free ships are more than enough to play the game with.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The problem though is that we are basically now paying these extremely high prices to rent 0's and 1's at PWE/cryptic's leasure.
    It costs $10.00 - 14.00 to go to a movie for 90 minutes of entertainment. You do not even get 0s and 1s out of it. :)
    10k zen for the whole 9 dyson ship bundle is 123 us dollars which kinda equals the price of a special edition xbox game or a good gaming headset. The difference though is that we dont get to own any physical commodity we pay for when we buy stuff from the c-store but instead only rent digital pixels for as long as the powers that be decideds to keep the sto servers running.
    You are not required to buy all 9 ships - nor should you even need all 9 ships. You can buy the ships individually, in groups of 3, or all 9 at once. A Romulan Science Destroyer 3-pack is no more expensive then a Vesta 3-pack; and if you factor in Dilithium grinding the odds are you are not even going to pay the 5,000 Zen.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    What precedent? I bought the Oddy, Bort, and Scimitar 3-packs for 5,000 Zen each - 15,000 in total. How is that any different then purchasing a Fed, Rom, and KDF Science Destroyer packs for 10,000 as a huge bundle or 15,000 as three 3-packs?

    To me it looks like they are trying to give the people who want all 9 ships a break. :)

    Can't disagree with a word of that Cosmic, there is a vreak for the nine ship bundle and the three packs are priced no differently than before.

    In terms of price, this is a better than usual cstore bundle. No argument.

    Yet Reyan does have a point as well.

    If one did not also do the grindaversary one will not get either of the four set bonuses.

    This is a departure from normal practise.

    Hitherto, spending money got one the best version of something.

    Now, the model has changed to having to grind on top of spending cash, if one wants all the whistles and bells.

    This is different. And not, in my view, either welcome or well advised.

    So, on the narrow point of the price of these ships, I agree with you entirely.

    They're a good deal.

    On the broader point of how the whole Dyson ship affair has unfolded, Reyan has a point.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    rinkster wrote: »
    If one did not also do the grindaversary one will not get either of the four set bonuses.
    To paraphrase Mr. Einstein, having the same conversation over and over and expecting a different result is insanity, so I think I will skip it. :)

    From today's news:
    Anyone that has NOT slotted the Ship Project will see a new option available for purchase in the Lobi Store - the Anniversary Ship!

    ** The price on the Lobi Store will be 600 Lobi. This is significantly more expensive than buying Qmendation packages one at a time. If you want the option of buying the ship using the Qmendation Packages, make sure to slot the reputation project before the 27th. Remember, slotting the project will disable the Lobi store ship option from appearing in your Lobi Store view.

    So you can use Lobi to finish getting your QMendations for the ship or you can drop the Event and simply purchase the Anniversary ship directly from the Lobi Store for 600 Lobi. Thus the 2 special ship items are available if someone wishes to get them after the Event.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,476 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    greyhame3 wrote: »
    If the 9 pack is too much, buy a 3 pack. If that's to much, buy one ship. If that's too much, just don't buy any. The free ships are more than enough to play the game with.
    A point with which I agree wholeheartedly, and which I have tried to make before. Especially when every so often, they give away another ship. (I've picked up the prototype Odyssey, the Rhode Island, the Nebula refit, the B'rotlh, another Klingon ship whose name escapes me, the Obelisk Carrier, the Yellowstone, the To'duj, and now this Ferengi shuttle, and I'm preparing to close the deal on a Federation Dyson science destroyer.) And then there are the ones that are just plain free, and which are at least adequate for gameplay. (I'm not a big fan of the D'deridex, but other than that...)
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  • urmuz1urmuz1 Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    What precedent? I bought the Oddy, Bort, and Scimitar 3-packs for 5,000 Zen each - 15,000 in total. How is that any different then purchasing a Fed, Rom, and KDF Science Destroyer packs for 10,000 as a huge bundle or 15,000 as three 3-packs?

    To me it looks like they are trying to give the people who want all 9 ships a break.

    Ody, Bort, and Scimi packs are different type of ships with different roles; in this case they are selling the same things slightly modified to suit each faction's flavour. It seems to me, this smells like greed (minimum effort maximum price), as they could've made the pack account unlocked. Hey, i don't mind, let Cryptic make money, if they convinced people into grinding a 'free' aniversary ship and then tied them up into the new pack hype. I have the free ship on 6 toons, but only have 2 sci captains: so i either pay 10kz for 2 pack, or take all of them for the same price.
    But i prefer to stick to my R'mor and buy fleet corsait for my sci orion.
    I would've bought the pack if this minimax wouldn't had been truly annoying.
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  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I wish I could buy bug fixes for 2000 zen. I've got plenty to spare with nothing to spend it on but the bugs drive me crazy after a while.
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    stuart1965 wrote: »
    New science destroyer prices.
    Looks a good ship in the z store,however they are heavily overpriced as usual. Very expensive.
    I know cryptic is money mad,but show alittle compassion please.
    Make the new ships abit more affordable for all.

    You're serious?
  • vhiranikosvhiranikos Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The ship is priced exactly like all the other ships. You really shouldn't have an issue with that.

    If you have any beef, it should be that the ship(s) are completely mediocre compared to what's already out there. In a game where DPS is king, it's Stats, gimmicks, awful BOFF seating, absolutely nothing about them stands out or is impressive enough to warrant 50-150 usd.

    And even then it's simple enough to ignore. Just don't buy it, let those who really like how they look/really want the consoles/must have everything/etc buy away and pump funds into the game you play.
  • artemisa0kartemisa0k Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The prices aren't to horrible tho I do think any ship that doesn't have the full ship interior / just the bridge currently done should have its price dropped by 500 zen and when if they do a interior they could then charge the 500 for it.

    Its not a big difference really but it would at least give me a bit of hope they are actually planning on making the full interior.
  • urmuz1urmuz1 Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    artemisa0k wrote: »
    The prices aren't to horrible tho I do think any ship that doesn't have the full ship interior / just the bridge currently done should have its price dropped by 500 zen and when if they do a interior they could then charge the 500 for it.

    Its not a big difference really but it would at least give me a bit of hope they are actually planning on making the full interior.

    The prices are horrible considering those are all enhanced versions of free anniversary ships; a lot of copy/paste with 3 sets of ships doing exactly the same thing but for each faction.
    But i would pay 10k Zen for a similar Vesta pack modified for all 3 factions :D
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  • wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    here is the question i need answered..............it is a good ship BUT is it betetr fed wise than the 3 pack vesta ????
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  • mewmaster101mewmaster101 Member Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    wildweasal wrote: »
    here is the question i need answered..............it is a good ship BUT is it betetr fed wise than the 3 pack vesta ????

    Depends on what you want, IMO as a pure science vessel, the Vesta and it's variants are FAR better, but the Dyson ships do have some pretty cools things and are some of the few science ships that the KDF and RR have access to.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    so glad i found 32 lobi in another toon of mine! then and transferred to a toon who was 2 days short on the required 1k qmendations, plus the 500z stipend came in and added to the pot, im now 2 days ahead of the time limit! thankfully i dont have to go through that 10k z for these ships...
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  • wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    so glad i found 32 lobi in another toon of mine! then and transferred to a toon who was 2 days short on the required 1k qmendations, plus the 500z stipend came in and added to the pot, im now 2 days ahead of the time limit! thankfully i dont have to go through that 10k z for these ships...

    you are aware that the free ship is far inferior to theses ships right?
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