Romulans pay for it with less hull resists and -40 power across all subsystems. Fed and KDF have more power which means your ships hit harder, last longer, and move faster with more powerful sci magic. at least 40 points of power more in every sub system. the only time thigs get nuts is when its a rom in a non rom ship.
Dont bring up sing powers. when was the last time a sing power killed someone? at best they are escape moves....and those are the usable ones.
Singularity Powers are quite significant. You do realize that most Singularity abilities are enhanced by Science consoles? The Romulan version effectively has an extra Commander Science station and Romulan Battle Cloak. The Federation ship should have been given 30,000 hull and the Romulan version should have never been given that secondary deflector. Secondary deflectors were supposedly going to be special bonuses for Federation and Klingon Science Vessels. Just wait until Romulan Science Vessels start using Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator (Valdore console), Plasmonic Leech, and Structural Integrity Field Leech (New Featured Episode set bonus). Shooting someone with energy weapons now gives you power, gives you shield heals, and gives you hull heals...but only for Romulan ships. Did we mention that using power drain abilities also gives you shields via the Secondary Deflector? Yeah...the "less power" argument for Romulan ships is completely invalid.
Waaah waaah...
What about the DSSV/Varanus which are equal ships minus the Varanus has 10% less shields for 0 reason? We dont hear much about it :rolleyes:
These ships (even the z-store versions) wont be on par with lockbox sci ships anyway. I prefer complaining about how the new p2w escort obsoletes fedscorts/raptors even more than before with ridiculous power creep stats.
These ships (even the z-store versions) wont be on par with lockbox sci ships anyway. I prefer complaining about how the new p2w escort obsoletes fedscorts/raptors even more than before with ridiculous power creep stats.
Meh, at this point it has to measure up to warbirds to be competitive. I do wish there was a way to jam those stats, console/boff slots, etc, into the model of a faction ship so at least one could play a faction ship without feeling as completely left behind as one does now; but alas, if you want to have uber stats, you gotta drive the space dump truck.
Waaah waaah...
What about the DSSV/Varanus which are equal ships minus the Varanus has 10% less shields for 0 reason? We dont hear much about it :rolleyes:
These ships (even the z-store versions) wont be on par with lockbox sci ships anyway. I prefer complaining about how the new p2w escort obsoletes fedscorts/raptors even more than before with ridiculous power creep stats.
What we should be really asking for is to have Cryptic go over all endgame ships and re-balance stats accordingly to make them all directly competitive.
I didn't see a thread on this already, so I thought I'd make one to get people's opinions.
So far the ships look pretty interesting, but the rom and klink versions have a clear and solid advantage, sporting more hull, crew, factional cloaking devices, while the ONLY thing the fed has going for it is an extra 0.05 shield modifier.
I was really looking forward to these, but I figured that, oh, idk, maybe they'd be more reasonably balanced across the factions.
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So everyone not running feds, enjoy flying a better ship than the fed version. Oh, and the rom one had a battle cloak. FFFFFFFF
kdf version will be weaker than fed version (huge crew compared to fed ship=>long time to recovery & slower healing).Since we speak about sci ships able to use cpb (among other abilities) i think fed will have a slight edge over kdf version( wich has normal cloak) in PVP.
The romulan version will be interesting i agree and i think my kdf reman will have the chance to test it
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I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
Is simple, they need to sell the KDF and the Romulan faction, the fed faction sells alone. They dont give a dam about balance and they not even try to hide that anymore.
Romulans now have BC, BOffs with space traits, Singularity powers and secondary deflector, and you ppl talk about BALANCE? In this game? Lol..
Singularity Powers are quite significant. You do realize that most Singularity abilities are enhanced by Science consoles? The Romulan version effectively has an extra Commander Science station and Romulan Battle Cloak. The Federation ship should have been given 30,000 hull and the Romulan version should have never been given that secondary deflector. There is no point to the new ship is it gets no 2nd deflector. that would mean the rom version is far weaker AND cant ever get the set 4 bonus for the new gear.... are you space happy or a rom hater?Secondary deflectors were supposedly going to be special bonuses for Federation and Klingon Science Vessels. Just wait until Romulan Science Vessels start using Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator (Valdore console), Plasmonic Leech, and Structural Integrity Field Leech (New Featured Episode set bonus). Shooting someone with energy weapons now gives you power, gives you shield heals, and gives you hull heals...but only for Romulan ships. Did we mention that using power drain abilities also gives you shields via the Secondary Deflector? Yeah...the "less power" argument for Romulan ships is completely invalid.Its is not, because the KDF and FED ship can do ALL that(minus the valdore console) and get massive power. without the -40 starting point roms have.
Feds don't lose out, sci ships don't need cloak. As a sci ship you generally want to be decloaked and using your abilities and healing people, you are also more durable then escorts so you should be decloaked and taking damage instead of them. I much rather have sci ships on my team without cloak then with cloak, if they are cloaked they aren't much use to the team. More shields is better then cloak for sci ships. Even in tactical mode this ship wont be a very good tactical ship, best to just use it as a full time sci ship decloaked.
What does this whole thread matter anyway, Fed and KDF's lose out on Rom boffs as well and after a year it still hasnt been corrected. This game is no longer choice of freedom if you want to be competitive, no longer I like that ship but i want it equally powerful as the other faction's ship.
Etc etc.
Balls. Its well known we will no longer expect balanced items/ships/powers to be released.
What we should be really asking for is to have Cryptic go over all endgame ships and re-balance stats accordingly to make them all directly competitive.
This, just this. Fed, KDF, Rom and lockbox ships all need a balance pass.
There was a time I would have agreed Feds should have the best Sci ships.
But, the relative speed advantages Raiders had is diminished w/30 etpe, increases in Fed movement specs over the years, higher uptime in general of speed increasing Boff powers w/cooldown reduction doffs, Jem and other fast new ships.
The flexibility advantage Raiders had w/Uni Boff layouts has diminished. There are not only much more variety options of ship layouts, but many w/on or more uni boff slots themselves.
The advantage of initiative of being the only ship w/a BC has diminished. Hello, cross faction Rommies.
The relative firepower of Raiders has diminished w/5 tac console 5 forward weapon escorts while Raiders still only have 2 rear weapon mounts and most of them only have 3 Tac console slots. Oh and Rommies again.
There's also been a TRIBBLE ton of more passive repairs and resists adding as well as reduction in effectiveness of many old Raider tools which include but aren't limited to CBP, PSW, Trics, and pure DHCs (non KDF fleet), etc. Those repairs/resists benefit the sturdier ships, even those w/less power like Rommies.
Getting back to Rommies, the mirror Rommy Sci ships really isn't a bad ship and it has a BC. Imo, that barrier was already broken.
Guess my point is yeah it sucks that Rommies encroach on other faction's previous strong suits, but it's not new.
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I feel the devs are mistakenly overcompensating KDF ship designs at this point - while continuing to lavish the best options on Romulans.
Science ships have long been the specialty of the Fed faction, and instead of giving the Feds the superior version (as was the case with Mogh vs. Avenger) the Feds have actually gotten the least competitive option.
It's a bad design precedent, and I think its a trend we will continue to see more of.
I know for myself I will not purchase the Fed 3 pack, since it is completely inferior to the other 2 - especially the Rom version.
If you have characters of all 3 factions, there is no reason to acquire anything but the Rom version unless you are a ship collector or an RPer.
So KDF actually get something sci related that doesn't conform to the OP fed BS?
Universal BOFF stations? On top of this, Universal BOFF station flexiblity but paying no price in anything at all? Casue buying 3 ships just to get the versatility of one is so great. Blame crpytic that they got more economical with their ship design.
Carriers? Sure, cause you don't have any now, cause the feds took it and Kdfs are suddenly worse, cause all their pets are inferior.
Battlecruisers / Dual Cannon Capable Cruisers? Feds got the gal-x when the game started, now they get the Avenger and it looses to the Mogh in a direct stat comparison, because "they pay for having a battle cruiser by having a worse one"
And with LOR, you know have Fed-Romulans with Warbirds and Battle Cloaks. Blame cryptic for not making the romulans a full fledged faction.
Edited: Oh, and I almost forgot, the great KDF Console Grab. Blame cryptic for subpar console balance. No wonder everyone wants KDF consoles, when they are that good. Plasmonic Leech is a prominent example
So KDF actually get something sci related that doesn't conform to the OP fed BS?
No the reason Feds are complaining is because Crpytic justified the Mogh being better then the Avenger by their BS argument, that "Feds should pay for having a battle cruiser by having a worse one". Now we get the new sci-destroyer and -look at that- the romulans get the best one ...
I'm glad the other faction get more options, but i want them to be on par with each other. This should not be accomplished by mirroring stats, but by unique faction abilities (like the romulan singularity powers or passives of some sort).
No the reason Feds are complaining is because Crpytic justified the Mogh being better then the Avenger by their BS argument, that "Feds should pay for having a battle cruiser by having a worse one". Now we get the new sci-destroyer and -look at that- the romulans get the best one ...
I'm glad the other faction get more options, but i want them to be on par with each other. This should not be accomplished by mirroring stats, but by unique faction abilities (like the romulan singularity powers or passives of some sort).
KDF has been asking for scis for years. They don't even have to be as good as Feds!
Last Sci we got was the... The Varanus. Fed tears ensured that got reduced to nothing. BTW they still haven't fixed the graphics on it since they snuffed it back in Feb 2011. Yet they take the server down for gown flaws.
So...the Rommies have the best ship, the evul Klinguns after whining and complaining for years like little scared girls (:P) now have a very capable sci ship, we Feds have...a TRIBBLE and useless sci ship...uhm...
Dear Cryptic...it's time...give us a new console with a battle cloak!
We don't want an innate battle cloak or the enhanced one of the infamous pesky B'rel, only a simple toy console to install in few vessels as usual.
Think about it...the disappointment among we Feds is increasing...sure you understand...put it in the store at any price...:D
We still have the worst ships. We just fly them better than feds. That isn't our fault.
Scared? Want to test that sometime.
KDF has been the most neglected faction, hands down. So keep your tears coming. fed tears. It fuels my mother****ing warp core.
Welp you don't even need fed tears for you warp core. Doing a pretty good job fueling it yourself.
How so? OP and the fed tears in this thread are enough to supply me for another year.
I haz no tears for I R KDF. I simply feed on your fed tears. Not sure why but the deuterium we extract is the greatest concentration in the known universe. They also add a little slight hit of seasoning to Gagh.
Oh...I know!
You evuls have the worst Battle Cruisers, the worst Carriers, the worst draining builds, the worst toy consoles, the worst cloaks...and also the poor Raiders!
Uhm are you just trolling me here?? I don't know at this point.
Feds have more Carriers/sudo-carriers, cruisers,---Hybrids, escorts, sci ships, ect.
You'll likely argue the bop can fill all these rolls but the bop doesn't get 1.1+ shields and 40-60k hull so.
But happy to help you test more OP KDF **** if you want. It certainly proved nothing last time. But hey. Maybe next time.
Thank goodness Feddie tears fuel Klink warp cores. Otherwise we would all have drowned in them by now after 4 years of being deluged by them.....
While I can appreciate certain players such as Starwrath making a game of it, the constant flow of Fed tears since launch is just so tired and overdone. Feddies claim to want parity, in effect they are never satisfied until every little scrap of everything is available to the Fed.
And ohhh, how the Feds do cry, some just from a sense of entitlement I suppose, and some (perhaps many), because the history of this game has shown that Cryptic will eventually pander to the Feddie tears. Good for their business model I suppose.
Fed tears and hand wringing about the KDF has been a constant since launch. Now enter the Romulans, and personally a little surprised that Fed apologists still have enough liquid left in their pale little Feddie bodies to continue the tear filled tirade against whatever is left of the KDF.
Fed tears and hand wringing about the KDF has been a constant since launch. Now enter the Romulans, and personally a little surprised that Fed apologists still have enough liquid left in their pale little Feddie bodies to continue the tear filled tirade against whatever is left of the KDF.
Yep, cause every fed hates the klingons and wants them eradicated from the game so they can haz their stuff.
Frankly i'm tired that every argument made by a kdf player is from the viewpoint of some sort of victim. I'm sorry to tell you that the universe hasn't conspired against you, you don't need to fight the fight of the martyr, struggling under the evil reign of the feds.
Instead you could shed your childish attitude and join in a real discussion. Tell me what you as a klingon player want and not what you don't want the feds to have. If you can't, then your opinion hasn't any value anyways.
Is funny how players that believe that they are real Klingon said that fed crys, but when you go to a cap and hold or karrat and I one shot them with my new and badly equipped romulan they star crying like the fed.
Balance is balance, is not about factions, is about balance. Stop demanding balance by asking for a buff to your "faction" over the other.
This ships are not balance, is clear that the fed one is the worst and the romi is the best one. Is just marketing, you can drop a ship with out textures and the fed PVE heroes are going to buy it. The KDF and Rom ships needs to be really good so the can sell.
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Singularity Powers are quite significant. You do realize that most Singularity abilities are enhanced by Science consoles? The Romulan version effectively has an extra Commander Science station and Romulan Battle Cloak. The Federation ship should have been given 30,000 hull and the Romulan version should have never been given that secondary deflector. Secondary deflectors were supposedly going to be special bonuses for Federation and Klingon Science Vessels. Just wait until Romulan Science Vessels start using Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator (Valdore console), Plasmonic Leech, and Structural Integrity Field Leech (New Featured Episode set bonus). Shooting someone with energy weapons now gives you power, gives you shield heals, and gives you hull heals...but only for Romulan ships. Did we mention that using power drain abilities also gives you shields via the Secondary Deflector? Yeah...the "less power" argument for Romulan ships is completely invalid.
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What about the DSSV/Varanus which are equal ships minus the Varanus has 10% less shields for 0 reason? We dont hear much about it :rolleyes:
These ships (even the z-store versions) wont be on par with lockbox sci ships anyway. I prefer complaining about how the new p2w escort obsoletes fedscorts/raptors even more than before with ridiculous power creep stats.
Meh, at this point it has to measure up to warbirds to be competitive. I do wish there was a way to jam those stats, console/boff slots, etc, into the model of a faction ship so at least one could play a faction ship without feeling as completely left behind as one does now; but alas, if you want to have uber stats, you gotta drive the space dump truck.
What we should be really asking for is to have Cryptic go over all endgame ships and re-balance stats accordingly to make them all directly competitive.
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kdf version will be weaker than fed version (huge crew compared to fed ship=>long time to recovery & slower healing).Since we speak about sci ships able to use cpb (among other abilities) i think fed will have a slight edge over kdf version( wich has normal cloak) in PVP.
The romulan version will be interesting i agree and i think my kdf reman will have the chance to test it
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
Romulans now have BC, BOffs with space traits, Singularity powers and secondary deflector, and you ppl talk about BALANCE? In this game? Lol..
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see bold sir.
Etc etc.
Balls. Its well known we will no longer expect balanced items/ships/powers to be released.
think of this as a "Like"
Romulans >>>>>> the more generic lockbox ships > KDF > Federation
Seriously, some of the Romulan warbirds give the Jem'hadar attack ship a run for it's money.
This, just this. Fed, KDF, Rom and lockbox ships all need a balance pass.
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But, the relative speed advantages Raiders had is diminished w/30 etpe, increases in Fed movement specs over the years, higher uptime in general of speed increasing Boff powers w/cooldown reduction doffs, Jem and other fast new ships.
The flexibility advantage Raiders had w/Uni Boff layouts has diminished. There are not only much more variety options of ship layouts, but many w/on or more uni boff slots themselves.
The advantage of initiative of being the only ship w/a BC has diminished. Hello, cross faction Rommies.
The relative firepower of Raiders has diminished w/5 tac console 5 forward weapon escorts while Raiders still only have 2 rear weapon mounts and most of them only have 3 Tac console slots. Oh and Rommies again.
There's also been a TRIBBLE ton of more passive repairs and resists adding as well as reduction in effectiveness of many old Raider tools which include but aren't limited to CBP, PSW, Trics, and pure DHCs (non KDF fleet), etc. Those repairs/resists benefit the sturdier ships, even those w/less power like Rommies.
Getting back to Rommies, the mirror Rommy Sci ships really isn't a bad ship and it has a BC. Imo, that barrier was already broken.
Guess my point is yeah it sucks that Rommies encroach on other faction's previous strong suits, but it's not new.
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"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
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Universal BOFF stations? On top of this, Universal BOFF station flexiblity but paying no price in anything at all?
Carriers?
Battlecruisers / Dual Cannon Capable Cruisers?
And with LOR, you know have Fed-Romulans with Warbirds and Battle Cloaks.
Edited: Oh, and I almost forgot, the great KDF Console Grab.
Yeah, sure. I have no pity.
So KDF actually get something sci related that doesn't conform to the OP fed BS?
More tears for my KDF warp core!
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No the reason Feds are complaining is because Crpytic justified the Mogh being better then the Avenger by their BS argument, that "Feds should pay for having a battle cruiser by having a worse one". Now we get the new sci-destroyer and -look at that- the romulans get the best one ...
I'm glad the other faction get more options, but i want them to be on par with each other. This should not be accomplished by mirroring stats, but by unique faction abilities (like the romulan singularity powers or passives of some sort).
KDF has been asking for scis for years. They don't even have to be as good as Feds!
Last Sci we got was the... The Varanus. Fed tears ensured that got reduced to nothing. BTW they still haven't fixed the graphics on it since they snuffed it back in Feb 2011. Yet they take the server down for gown flaws.
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We still have the worst ships. We just fly them better than feds. That isn't our fault.
Scared? Want to test that sometime.
KDF has been the most neglected faction, hands down. So keep your tears coming.
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The fed one isnt bad really, but that battle cloaking rom one, jesus imma have me some fun with that.
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Welp you don't even need fed tears for you warp core. Doing a pretty good job fueling it yourself.
How so? OP and the fed tears in this thread are enough to supply me for another year.
I haz no tears for I R KDF. I simply feed on your fed tears. Not sure why but the deuterium we extract is the greatest concentration in the known universe. They also add a little slight hit of seasoning to Gagh.
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Seasoned Gagh? Yeah, you are no real klingon.
I do realize I am not a "real klingon." This is a game.
However unlike most in this game I actually play my KDF and prefer them to Roms and Feds.
Uhm are you just trolling me here?? I don't know at this point.
Feds have more Carriers/sudo-carriers, cruisers,---Hybrids, escorts, sci ships, ect.
You'll likely argue the bop can fill all these rolls but the bop doesn't get 1.1+ shields and 40-60k hull so.
But happy to help you test more OP KDF **** if you want. It certainly proved nothing last time. But hey. Maybe next time.
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While I can appreciate certain players such as Starwrath making a game of it, the constant flow of Fed tears since launch is just so tired and overdone. Feddies claim to want parity, in effect they are never satisfied until every little scrap of everything is available to the Fed.
And ohhh, how the Feds do cry, some just from a sense of entitlement I suppose, and some (perhaps many), because the history of this game has shown that Cryptic will eventually pander to the Feddie tears. Good for their business model I suppose.
Fed tears and hand wringing about the KDF has been a constant since launch. Now enter the Romulans, and personally a little surprised that Fed apologists still have enough liquid left in their pale little Feddie bodies to continue the tear filled tirade against whatever is left of the KDF.
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Yep, cause every fed hates the klingons and wants them eradicated from the game so they can haz their stuff.
Frankly i'm tired that every argument made by a kdf player is from the viewpoint of some sort of victim. I'm sorry to tell you that the universe hasn't conspired against you, you don't need to fight the fight of the martyr, struggling under the evil reign of the feds.
Instead you could shed your childish attitude and join in a real discussion. Tell me what you as a klingon player want and not what you don't want the feds to have. If you can't, then your opinion hasn't any value anyways.
Balance is balance, is not about factions, is about balance. Stop demanding balance by asking for a buff to your "faction" over the other.
This ships are not balance, is clear that the fed one is the worst and the romi is the best one. Is just marketing, you can drop a ship with out textures and the fed PVE heroes are going to buy it. The KDF and Rom ships needs to be really good so the can sell.
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