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Dumb question?

kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited January 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Why do we have to travel to town to access banks and mail? Even in todays life we can check -email messages from airplanes, space station etc etc, we can access our banks anywhere in the world.

So why are we so back on time, like we are in the 19xxs? :eek:
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    Why do we have to travel to town to access banks and mail? Even in todays life we can check -email messages from airplanes, space station etc etc, we can access our banks anywhere in the world.

    So why are we so back on time, like we are in the 19xxs? :eek:

    Listen to the podcast released today. It's explained in there.

    Long story short, though, it's about socialization.
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Have you ever tried to withdraw cash from your Cars SD-Card reader...?

    Or getting that gold-necklace from the safe-deposit from your trunk?

    Pretty hard, right?
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
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  • setheweavilesetheweavile Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Because it's one of the few things that ensure that we gather at locations such as ESD, DS9, and Drozana.
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  • kyeto13kyeto13 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    It more has to do with the socialization aspect of it. It is all about trying to make players come together into a zone and at least see each other. Maybe then they can form fleets, friendships, squads, etc.
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I am not talking about removing the vendors from those places, I am talking about for example, you go to your bridge and you can order your Doffs to do task even assigning to them the materials needed for those tasks, where the materials come from? Your bank, so if I can give them materials from the bank how come I cannot access the bank to deposit stuff that I just acquired? Makes sense?

    Also if you want to buy stuff from DS9 etc, etc, put stuff worth buying, those mK I, II etc TRIBBLE is worthless.
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  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I'm not buying the socalizing stuff, I never socialize with anyone just because I access my bank on ESD or DS9.

    My guess would be that it's simply a time sink, like sector space which is largely irrelevant but takes time to cross.
  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    I am not talking about removing the vendors from those places, I am talking about for example, you go to your bridge and you can order your Doffs to do task even assigning to them the materials needed for those tasks, where the materials come from? Your bank, so if I can give them materials from the bank how come I cannot access the bank to deposit stuff that I just acquired? Makes sense?

    Also if you want to buy stuff from DS9 etc, etc, put stuff worth buying, those mK I, II etc TRIBBLE is worthless.
    While I get the socialization aspect, though I rarely socialize anymore hehe, The idea of accessing a bank randomly on my ship makes 0 sense. The doffs obviously go to a bank to pull your items out then head off, you do not. Sitting on a bridge and having access to your bank makes no sense as like anazonda said, have you ever tried getting a gold necklace from your safe-deposit box while sitting in your car? Doesn't work. Same principle unless they use long range transporters, and there would be a delay anyways so they can get it to you, not to mention knowing your exact location it'd not be realistic even in ST terms.
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    qjunior wrote: »
    I'm not buying the socalizing stuff, I never socialize with anyone just because I access my bank on ESD or DS9.

    My guess would be that it's simply a time sink, like sector space which is largely irrelevant but takes time to cross.

    And no even only that with transwarp I can fly to the SB and do what I want without having to go to DS9
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    askray wrote: »
    While I get the socialization aspect, though I rarely socialize anymore hehe, The idea of accessing a bank randomly on my ship makes 0 sense. The doffs obviously go to a bank to pull your items out then head off, you do not. Sitting on a bridge and having access to your bank makes no sense as like anazonda said, have you ever tried getting a gold necklace from your safe-deposit box while sitting in your car? Doesn't work. Same principle unless they use long range transporters, and there would be a delay anyways so they can get it to you, not to mention knowing your exact location it'd not be realistic even in ST terms.

    So you think that if you are in Orellius Sector you must take 20 minutes to find a bank, wow that is very silly my friend. Plus like I said I can just transwarp to my fleet SB and do the same operation.
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    So you think that if you are in Orellius Sector you must take 20 minutes to find a bank, wow that is very silly my friend. Plus like I said I can just transwarp to my fleet SB and do the same operation.
    Between the Azura gift, transwarp, and go-to-mission EC costs it's not exactly hard to get access to your bank and get right back to the mission.
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Have you ever tried to withdraw cash from your Cars SD-Card reader...?

    Or getting that gold-necklace from the safe-deposit from your trunk?

    Pretty hard, right?

    It is a lot less hard in a setting where you can 'beam' any physical object to any other location with some limitations. Honestly, if you try to wrap your head around how the science of transporters *has* to work (within the laws of physics as we know them) -- you tear something down to the atomic level, convert it into energy, transmit it, and reassemble. Therefore it is probably possible to tear it apart, record the pattern, and reassemble it without the transmission (a combination of replicator & transporter) -- instead, you transmit the pattern data without the atomic component. And *that* should allow you to clone your best soldiers, with a little creativity. If you were evil enough you could even use the redshirts as atomic material for recreating the better guys....
  • ussbrunelussbrunel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    wtf?

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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    noroblad wrote: »
    It is a lot less hard in a setting where you can 'beam' any physical object to any other location with some limitations. Honestly, if you try to wrap your head around how the science of transporters *has* to work (within the laws of physics as we know them) -- you tear something down to the atomic level, convert it into energy, transmit it, and reassemble. Therefore it is probably possible to tear it apart, record the pattern, and reassemble it without the transmission (a combination of replicator & transporter) -- instead, you transmit the pattern data without the atomic component. And *that* should allow you to clone your best soldiers, with a little creativity. If you were evil enough you could even use the redshirts as atomic material for recreating the better guys....

    You do know that transporters only reliably work in Orbit right (and don't get me started on the JJ TRIBBLE...).
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    In the new Star Trek movie, he got beam from one ship to another doing warp speed, so basically you can transport from one planet to another from one galaxy to another, so yes you can transport from DS9 to your ship.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    In the new Star Trek movie, he got beam from one ship to another doing warp speed, so basically you can transport from one planet to another from one galaxy to another, so yes you can transport from DS9 to your ship.

    Yes, but you see, we are in the REAL Star Trek universe... Not the "I hate Star Trek, so lets make Trek more like Star Wars, and ignore the fact that it has often been stated in TNG, DS9 and VOY (and ENT) that you can't beam at warp without excessive risk".

    Now PLEASE try to keep up with the universes... It's really not that hard.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Yes, but you see, we are in the REAL Star Trek universe... Not the "I hate Star Trek, so lets make Trek more like Star Wars, and ignore the fact that it has often been stated in TNG, DS9 and VOY (and ENT) that you can't beam at warp without excessive risk".

    Now PLEASE try to keep up with the universes... It's really not that hard.

    Sorry I was not born yet during the old Star Trek, I am a JJ fan. The real Star Trek (end sarcasm) LOL I see your point.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    Sorry I was not born yet during the old Star Trek, I am a JJ fan. The real Star Trek (end sarcasm) LOL I see your point.

    So you're less than 12 years old (Nemesis is from 2002)? Quite all right, but seriously... It's really not that hard to tell the actual trek from the Trek-Hating-JJ apart... For starters, Vulcan still exists.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • bendalekbendalek Member Posts: 1,781 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Sadly for the proponents of the current system ... "Your argument is invalid" ... The whole gold necklace from a safety deposit box thing is, quite frankly, laughable, As is saying that it's to promote "Social Interaction" between players, this is also a joke right?

    The only "interaction' i see is either desperate Fleet Admirals looking for members or more usually some idiot "Skiing" around in a ridiculous outfit (being a 'trekkie' since TOS was first released, that REALLY rubs me the wrong way) and throwing smoke bombs ... If THAT is Cryptic's idea of "Interaction", then I'd prefer to be "Anti-Social" thanks ...

    Even worse ... I can happily browse the Dil store and purchase an entire Warp Core or Impluse Drive and then fit it to my ship, all without having to visit a base ... I can replicate Warp Coils and Medical Supplies to provision my DoFF assignments, all without having to visit a base ... Admiral Quinn and his various aides can find me and give me missions, and the rewards when I compete them, all without me having to visit a base ...

    So, now that we have deduced that the reasoning already put forward is invalid and spurious ...

    I DO think that "INFORMATION" should be readily accessible wherever you are, as even in Gene Trek, we have Sub-Space communications that can reach all over the Alpha and Delta Quadrants, and we can also send information as far as the Gamma Quadrant, so that shouldn't be an issue ...

    However, i think that ANY and ALL large physical objects, should only be accessible from on or near (i.e. within transporter range) of a Starbase, and that would include Replicated Large items (like said Warp Coils) Mail (with attachments) C-Store, Dil Store, Exchange, Crafting and yes, DoFF missions that require physical resources that are not in your cargo bay ...

    This would keep the 'Lore' a lot closer to canon, as only certain things can be replicated on board a ship and if it can't be replicated and you don't have one in stock, you do without until you next visit a Base somewhere ...

    To be sure it would mean that a few game mechanics would need to be changed, for instance we would need to separate "Bank" space (Currency only) and "Cargo" space ... You could quite happily 'Browse" a store, but you would need to visit an actual Starbase or Planet to "pick-up" your purchases, but anything that you'd picked up along the way, would go into your "Cargo Bay"... So a DoFF mission might still be able to go ahead, if you have all the necessary items on board, if not you have to visit a Base/Planet ...

    You would also have access to a separate "Starfleet/KDF/RR Storage Locker" that would house the majority of your items, when not being needed currently or for when you a swapping equipment between ships for instance ...

    And then too, it would be good if they changed some of the missions so that you didn't have to run backwards and forwards repeatedly, just to "Analyse Data" at a certain computer, as even on Earth in the 21st Century that is a stupid concept ...
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  • sean2448sean2448 Member Posts: 815 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    they don't want social zones to become ghost towns
  • abfabfleetabfabfleet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    Why do we have to travel to town to access banks and mail? Even in todays life we can check -email messages from airplanes, space station etc etc, we can access our banks anywhere in the world.

    So why are we so back on time, like we are in the 19xxs? :eek:

    Dumb Answer: It's STO, you gotta pay for that feature remember? :eek:
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    anazonda wrote: »
    Have you ever tried to withdraw cash from your Cars SD-Card reader...?

    Or getting that gold-necklace from the safe-deposit from your trunk?

    Pretty hard, right?
    I can do all that, access the exchange and play Dabo from the trunk of my D'Kora. :P
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  • alexmakepeacealexmakepeace Member Posts: 10,633 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    askray wrote: »
    While I get the socialization aspect, though I rarely socialize anymore hehe, The idea of accessing a bank randomly on my ship makes 0 sense. The doffs obviously go to a bank to pull your items out then head off, you do not. Sitting on a bridge and having access to your bank makes no sense as like anazonda said, have you ever tried getting a gold necklace from your safe-deposit box while sitting in your car? Doesn't work. Same principle unless they use long range transporters, and there would be a delay anyways so they can get it to you, not to mention knowing your exact location it'd not be realistic even in ST terms.
    Actually, having the bank on your ship would make more sense than, say:

    1. Putting a tribble into the bank in ESD
    2. Flying to DS9, taking the tribble out (along with its new progeny) and putting in some blue-quality gear that you're never going to actually use.
    3. Go do a mission, call the Azura, take that blue gear out of the bank and sell it.

    If the bank is on your ship, you're taking all your stuff with you. What do you have a ship for if not to carry equipment to the far reaches of the galaxy?
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    kantazo1 wrote: »
    Why do we have to travel to town to access banks and mail? Even in todays life we can check -email messages from airplanes, space station etc etc, we can access our banks anywhere in the world.

    So why are we so back on time, like we are in the 19xxs? :eek:

    Its not. You can check your Mails ingame everywhere. And the RL bank access anywhere is for money which is your ingame wallet you also have all-time-access to. When next time a guy next to you in a plane pulls the 42" LCD TV he ordered at amazon out of his smartphone than you can start complaining again :P
  • alexmakepeacealexmakepeace Member Posts: 10,633 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    theanothername wrote: »
    When next time a guy next to you in a plane pulls the 42" LCD TV he ordered at amazon out of his smartphone than you can start complaining again :P
    But that would be awesome! Why would he complain? Well... aside from the fact it would be really, really crowded and his face would be like a foot away from the screen...

    But other than that! Awesome! We should have it in STO, because technologies in Trek tend to eventually become reality. :) :P
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