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So a madder, fiercer, less reliable Doctor.

eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,300 Arc User
edited January 2014 in Ten Forward
Peter Capaldi has said that his regeneration is (as the title says) It will be interesting how this will pan out.

http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2014/01/doctor-whos-day-roundup-the-new-doctor-will-be-madder/
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  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Andy D*ck's EMH mk. II from "Message in a Bottle"?

    No, sorry, wrong program...
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited January 2014
    What does "madder" mean here? Angry? or "mad as a March hare" crazy?

    The initial description sounds a bit like Colin Baker's doctor, whom I always felt had a more volatile, even unstable, personality somehow due to the poisoning that triggered Five's transformation to Six.
  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    What does "madder" mean here? Angry? or "mad as a March hare" crazy?

    Considering that it's British and that this is the Doctor we're talking about, quite likely the latter.
  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,300 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    What does "madder" mean here? Angry? or "mad as a March hare" crazy?

    The initial description sounds a bit like Colin Baker's doctor, whom I always felt had a more volatile, even unstable, personality somehow due to the poisoning that triggered Five's transformation to Six.

    I'm thinling more of a buffoon, but this is not what I was expecting from this Doctor. I was expecting (due to Peter Capaldi being more advsanced in age) a Doctor on par with Jon Pertwee, suave etc.
  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    What does "madder" mean here? Angry? or "mad as a March hare" crazy?

    The initial description sounds a bit like Colin Baker's doctor, whom I always felt had a more volatile, even unstable, personality somehow due to the poisoning that triggered Five's transformation to Six.

    Angry. This is the Doctor who spawns the Valeyard. 12 is the dark Doctor. Expect a lot of yelling and seriousness.

    After which will be 13 who, without the darker aspects of his personality, will be all sunshine and rainbow farts.

    Think John Cleese.
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  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,300 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Considering that it's British and that this is the Doctor we're talking about, quite likely the latter.

    Are you insinuating we Brits are all mad .... excuse me while I go polish the dog LOL:P
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    What does "madder" mean here? Angry? or "mad as a March hare" crazy?

    The initial description sounds a bit like Colin Baker's doctor, whom I always felt had a more volatile, even unstable, personality somehow due to the poisoning that triggered Five's transformation to Six.

    British English, so probably more "are you mad?" than angry/violent, particularly given the "leads her on a merry dance" comment.
  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    eazzie wrote: »
    Are you insinuating we Brits are all mad .... excuse me while I go polish the dog LOL:P

    No, I'm insinuating that the Doctor is mad. I was simply conferring what reginamala78 just stated.
  • carpfishercarpfisher Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    "Madder, fiercer, less reliable Doctor," basically describes Colin Baker's Doctor #6.

    Interesting plan, BBC. I look forward to seeing the reaction that you evoke when trolling your audience.
  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,300 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    No, I'm insinuating that the Doctor is mad. I was simply conferring what reginamala78 just stated.

    I know I'm have a joke with ya ... but seriously I do polish my dog .... I've called him sparkles :P
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited January 2014
    eazzie wrote: »
    I know I'm have a joke with ya ... but seriously I do polish my dog .... I've called him sparkles :P

    There's a reason they say "Mad dogs and Englishmen." Now the Welsh, Northern Irish, and Scots I'm not letting off the hook, I just don't know for sure. :D Oh, and "Sparkles" is a, um, brilliant name.
  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    eazzie wrote: »
    I know I'm have a joke with ya ... but seriously I do polish my dog .... I've called him sparkles :P
    I expect his muzzle is bolted on.
    Yes, although I did quite like the last Doctor, I'm curious how this one intends to be madder than his predecessor, Matt Smith's character often did a fair imitation of an escaped mental patient.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    carpfisher wrote: »
    "Madder, fiercer, less reliable Doctor," basically describes Colin Baker's Doctor #6.

    That was my thought as well... Will be interesting to see what happens :cool:
  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I think this is a good move. I adored Tennant and Smith, but as The Day of the Doctor showed, there was a lot of overlap between the way those Doctors were portrayed. It's time for something new.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Mmm... more War Doctor... :D
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited January 2014
    Mmm... more War Doctor... :D

    Perhaps John Hurt would agree to a few audio books.

    One could really wish the producers would embrace good animation (not that sorry stuff poor Tennant had to do) to do stories that the older actors could voice after they could no longer fill the physical requirements.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    not what I meant. :P I meant that Capaldi will be acting somewhat more like Hurt's Doctor. :P Though more Hurt would rock. :D
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Perhaps John Hurt would agree to a few audio books.

    One could really wish the producers would embrace good animation (not that sorry stuff poor Tennant had to do) to do stories that the older actors could voice after they could no longer fill the physical requirements.

    Kinda hard to do, since all War ever did was take The Moment. That was his entire life. Finding the Key of Rassilon, obtaining a De-Mat Gun, discovering The Vault. All done by 8. The only thing 8 couldn't do was ball up to use The Moment. That was it.

    Yeah, Moffat was not exactly smart with making War's backstory. He just set him up only to end the war.
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  • hartzillahartzilla Member Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Angry. This is the Doctor who spawns the Valeyard. 12 is the dark Doctor. Expect a lot of yelling and seriousness.

    After which will be 13 who, without the darker aspects of his personality, will be all sunshine and rainbow farts.

    Think John Cleese.

    That was the last two guys

    This Doctor is technically either 14, 13, or 1.1. At least as far as incarnations are seeing as I doubt the Master was only counting the ones who called themselves the Doctor when he said between 12 and 13.
  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    hartzilla wrote: »
    That was the last two guys

    This Doctor is technically either 14, 13, or 1.1. At least as far as incarnations are seeing as I doubt the Master was only counting the ones who called themselves the Doctor when he said between 12 and 13.

    Considering the Master was dead for Ten 2 and War, I don't think he knows the numbering order exactly. Plus, again it's already been established by the BBC, the numbering remains the same. The Valeyard's origin is being born between 12 and 13. And, bonus points: Peter Capaldi bears an uncanny resemblence to the actor who played the Valeyard. Coincidence? I think not. Moffat did his homework. I figure 12, when casts off his dark sides, will be when 12 dies and becomes 13. Valeyard takes 12's face and disappears into the time stream while 13 goes off all happy go lucky. I'm not saying 13 will be goofy like 11 and 10. 13 will just be less hardcore. Like Tom Baker Doctor.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Well... we don't know how many more regenerations the Doctor actually has available. The other Timelords reset his timer. :P
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Well... we don't know how many more regenerations the Doctor actually has available. The other Timelords reset his timer. :P

    If it was a reset, it's 12 regenerations.

    Which is pretty stingy, considering he saved the entire planet from total annihilation but, ya know, WHATEVER! IT'S NOT LIKE HE ALMOST CAUSED A TEMPORAL PARADOX OR SOMETHING! :mad:
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    If the Valeyard was supposed to be born between 12 and 13 according to the Master, then the 12th Doctor is the Matt Smith Doctor that just regenerated and the 13th Doctor is the Peter Capaldi Doctor or Peter Capaldi is the Valeyard. The Valeyard claims that he was created when the 13th Doctor was experimenting with methods to get around the 12 regeneration limit. The David Tennant Doctor used up 2 regenerations which means the 13th Doctor that created the Valeyard never existed. Also the Matt Smith Doctor was at the end of the regeneration limit so there is no point for the Peter Capaldi Doctor or future Doctors to experiment around with ways to get over the 12 regeneration limit since he already is over the 12 regeneration limit. Therefore, the Valeyard was a mere imposter or the future that created him no longer exists.
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited January 2014
    Kinda hard to do, since all War ever did was take The Moment. That was his entire life. Finding the Key of Rassilon, obtaining a De-Mat Gun, discovering The Vault. All done by 8. The only thing 8 couldn't do was ball up to use The Moment. That was it.

    Yeah, Moffat was not exactly smart with making War's backstory. He just set him up only to end the war.

    I take it these things 8 is to have done were accomplished in the audio novels?

    If I understand what you're saying, then I suspect there's more wiggle room for stories of the War Doctor (WD) than you might realize. Night of the Doctor used a young image of John Hurt for our first glimpse of WD. Hurt portrayed him as old in form in the 50th event. That leaves years in between, likely hundreds of years, in which he fought in the war. By comparison, 10 still looked young meeting with the Ood counsel, and claimed he'd played hooky from their summons for 100 years. 11 gave a few blocks of time over the course of his run. The Impossible Astronaut showed that 11 had a 200 year gap between meeting his friends in the restaurant, and meeting the astronaut by the lake. The Time of the Doctor spoke of 300 years at the town of Christmas. There was another jump mentioned, I forget where and how much, but all told, at least 500 years, and likely well over 700 years were reported before his regeneration truly aged. So by comparison, for WD to show age, he likely had several hundreds of years of travel.
  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,300 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    There's a reason they say "Mad dogs and Englishmen." Now the Welsh, Northern Irish, and Scots I'm not letting off the hook, I just don't know for sure. :D Oh, and "Sparkles" is a, um, brilliant name.

    Thing is I'm not English. I'm Scottish, born in Aberdeen.
  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I take it these things 8 is to have done were accomplished in the audio novels?

    If I understand what you're saying, then I suspect there's more wiggle room for stories of the War Doctor (WD) than you might realize. Night of the Doctor used a young image of John Hurt for our first glimpse of WD. Hurt portrayed him as old in form in the 50th event. That leaves years in between, likely hundreds of years, in which he fought in the war. By comparison, 10 still looked young meeting with the Ood counsel, and claimed he'd played hooky from their summons for 100 years. 11 gave a few blocks of time over the course of his run. The Impossible Astronaut showed that 11 had a 200 year gap between meeting his friends in the restaurant, and meeting the astronaut by the lake. The Time of the Doctor spoke of 300 years at the town of Christmas. There was another jump mentioned, I forget where and how much, but all told, at least 500 years, and likely well over 700 years were reported before his regeneration truly aged. So by comparison, for WD to show age, he likely had several hundreds of years of travel.

    They were in comics, actually. And the Vault is Time Lord tech, so the "bigger on the Inside" concept probably got stretched to it's limits. The Vault is supposed to hold a LOT of Forbidden Time Lord stuff.

    And First Rule of the Doctor: "The Doctor lies."

    But I wish Moffat could have given War more character development other than being "The Doctor's Secret Life" that ended up being completely worthless in the end. War didn't get to remember all his cool actions. He spends the rest of his whatever existence there is for past faces in regret because he believes himself to be a killer. :(

    Why they gotta hurt Hurt like that, man?
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I take it these things 8 is to have done were accomplished in the audio novels?

    If I understand what you're saying, then I suspect there's more wiggle room for stories of the War Doctor (WD) than you might realize. Night of the Doctor used a young image of John Hurt for our first glimpse of WD. Hurt portrayed him as old in form in the 50th event. That leaves years in between, likely hundreds of years, in which he fought in the war. By comparison, 10 still looked young meeting with the Ood counsel, and claimed he'd played hooky from their summons for 100 years. 11 gave a few blocks of time over the course of his run. The Impossible Astronaut showed that 11 had a 200 year gap between meeting his friends in the restaurant, and meeting the astronaut by the lake. The Time of the Doctor spoke of 300 years at the town of Christmas. There was another jump mentioned, I forget where and how much, but all told, at least 500 years, and likely well over 700 years were reported before his regeneration truly aged. So by comparison, for WD to show age, he likely had several hundreds of years of travel.

    Maybe time travel keeps the Doctor young. As you said the 11th Doctor spent 200 years between meeting his friends in the diner and his encounter with the astronaut where he hardly aged. Then you have the Doctor spending 300 years at Christmas where he is not traveling at all and he ages considerably. Therefore, if the War Doctor was a young man at the start, then he must have stayed on Gallifrey to defend it for hundreds of years.
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited January 2014
    eazzie wrote: »
    Thing is I'm not English. I'm Scottish, born in Aberdeen.

    Fantastic! You're not mad then. I'd never suggest otherwise of a Scot. Doing so would do all my family (some of whom came from around Aberdeen) a great injustice. (well, except for my brother, and then it'd be spot on...) :D
  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 4,300 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Fantastic! You're not mad then. I'd never suggest otherwise of a Scot. Doing so would do all my family (some of whom came from around Aberdeen) a great injustice. (well, except for my brother, and then it'd be spot on...) :D

    Slightly kooky yes, but not mad. Good ole Aberdeen. I miss it alot. But one thing to remember though Peter Capaldi is Scottish.
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited January 2014
    eazzie wrote: »
    But one thing to remember though Peter Capaldi is Scottish.

    So "crazy like a fox" then.
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