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leviathan99
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There was talk under Stahl about giving Romulan heavy fleets the option to convert their T5 bases to a totally Romulan design. I like this idea although I can recognize there may be interpersonal fleet issues with cosmetic additions. (Then again, the same could be said of standard fleet cosmetic projects.)
As we're moving forward with a new EP, I wanted to bring the idea up again and suggest expanding it out with optional conversions.
As I see it, this would probably apply to Tier 5 bases. It would change the look of the exterior and map used for Ops. Fleet special projects would need to display on all alternate setups.
Here's what I would like as options:
- Federation (Standard)
- Klingon (Standard)
(I think you need to include the basic versions as options so fleets can switch back. This is just good sense as it used to upset people that the Miranda, if dismissed, was not reclaimable.)
- Romulan (Standard)
Recolors would include alternate LCARS/UIs and ambient NPC traffic.
- Reman (Romulan Recolor)
- Tal Shiar (Romulan Recolor - Darker)
- TNG (Federation Recolor - Galaxy Colors)
- The Motion Picture (Federation Recolor - White)
- Orion (Klingon Recolor)
- Gorn (Klingon Recolor)
- Assimilated
- TOS (Federation Color, Variation of Drozana Past Exterior)
- TOS (Romulan Color)
- TOS (Klingon Color)
- Ferengi
- Non Aligned (Variation on Ferengi)
- Cardassian (A Nor like DS9; comes with promenade -- good chance to let Taco revamp the DS9 interior map and remaster Cardassian sector missions)
- Temporal (Romulan Color)
- Temporal (Federation Color)
- Temporal (Klingon Color)
Maybe to offset development costs and prevent too much fleet tension, introduce NPC bases around the game in each of these designs and have a reputation where each character gets to pick one of these bases as a place they can transwarp to. A reputation respec would clear selection as I see it because the way I'd handle it is to have it so that the final rep tier for "Allied Base" involves picking one of twelve traits, which would dictate which NPC base you can transwarp to.
As we're moving forward with a new EP, I wanted to bring the idea up again and suggest expanding it out with optional conversions.
As I see it, this would probably apply to Tier 5 bases. It would change the look of the exterior and map used for Ops. Fleet special projects would need to display on all alternate setups.
Here's what I would like as options:
- Federation (Standard)
- Klingon (Standard)
(I think you need to include the basic versions as options so fleets can switch back. This is just good sense as it used to upset people that the Miranda, if dismissed, was not reclaimable.)
- Romulan (Standard)
Recolors would include alternate LCARS/UIs and ambient NPC traffic.
- Reman (Romulan Recolor)
- Tal Shiar (Romulan Recolor - Darker)
- TNG (Federation Recolor - Galaxy Colors)
- The Motion Picture (Federation Recolor - White)
- Orion (Klingon Recolor)
- Gorn (Klingon Recolor)
- Assimilated
- TOS (Federation Color, Variation of Drozana Past Exterior)
- TOS (Romulan Color)
- TOS (Klingon Color)
- Ferengi
- Non Aligned (Variation on Ferengi)
- Cardassian (A Nor like DS9; comes with promenade -- good chance to let Taco revamp the DS9 interior map and remaster Cardassian sector missions)
- Temporal (Romulan Color)
- Temporal (Federation Color)
- Temporal (Klingon Color)
Maybe to offset development costs and prevent too much fleet tension, introduce NPC bases around the game in each of these designs and have a reputation where each character gets to pick one of these bases as a place they can transwarp to. A reputation respec would clear selection as I see it because the way I'd handle it is to have it so that the final rep tier for "Allied Base" involves picking one of twelve traits, which would dictate which NPC base you can transwarp to.
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http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=904841
In other words, yes, I whole-heartedly support the ability to Romulanize my Romulan fleet's Romulan fleet starbase.
Yeah, you didn't read my link, did you?
And apparently, you didn't see what was said by ... Brandon? Taco? I forget now, but somebody on Staff said that it is something they could look into if there were sufficient demand.
Unfortunately, many people have failed to express a desire one way or the other, but simply chose to poo-poo the idea because they believed "it can't be done" or "it won't be done," and if enough of you continue to express no opinion due to a negative attitude, it becomes a nocebo effect, or a self-fulfilling prophecy.
By letting us at least change the color pallet and feel of each Starbase it expands on our options, makes hanging out in the Starbase more likely! I for one have never understood why so many people in my fleet don't take more advantage of the Fleet Holdings and areas as Social Zones. I have to remind my fleet that the Dilithium Mine has function.
Cryptic's response was not posted in my thread (I've gradually come to the conclusion that nobody on the Staff and none of the Mod team pays much attention to anything in the Romulan Gameplay subforum unless a ticket is sent in to report some violation of the ToS), but was stated some time before that elsewhere (probably in STO General Discussion). But your reply quoted above was more of the same "it's never gonna happen" stuff. I refuse to accept the message of defeatism you have preached. Several flaws exist in your presentation, not least of which is the assumption that Cryptic "could not" make the Romulans a full faction and that their current status "doesn't allow for" what I've suggested. On the contrary, three-way factions are not particularly difficult to develop or implement, and my suggestion is merely a question of aesthetics, which is easy enough to accomplish without having to rebuild everything from the ground up as you seem to believe (which leads to my conclusion that you didn't read the post I linked, because if you had, you would know that your assertion that it's impossible is ludicrous).
Throw the duplicate into the Tau Dewa Sector and change it's appearance to suit. Contributions and the like would still act as a whole, single fleet, it's just (from a Romulan perspective) you'd be going to Tau Dewa each time instead of Erandi.
Makes sense? I think so.
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Why? Just for the sake of putting some spiritual purpose into the meager activities that we can take part in. As it stands, you feel reduced to a quarter of your full potential, working for a third party entity, after being divided by two. Just to make absolutely sure nothing comes out as one. Apart from this one request! Maybe it should be broken into something less substantial, in the spirit of it all. Just to not completely overwhelm the quiet calm of ongoing fragmentation, that we have enjoyed thus far!
This one thing, would put fear back into the dividing spirits. And for that alone, it is a good idea.
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The player is then presented the option to Join the Romulan Republic, or continue on in their current Affiliation (no switch back). If they join the Republic, they are removed from any aligned fleet, and can proceed to form a fleet of their own (on New Romulas) and begin their own bases etc. Opens it as a third stand alone faction.
Just my thoughts on it...
To the OP's point... I wholeheartedly, 110% support the idea of allowing us to pick from a selection of exterior/interior layouts for the starbase...
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It is time to take care of the Tal-Shiar and end this internal dispute.
It is time for the Romulan Eagle to fly free again.
For it wants to be part of the sky.
It is such a narrow stage, with such limited choices,
Why should it not be able to fly?
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Would this be like a "Public Starbase" maybe? That would require some sort of service access limitations, or you would mess with their Fleet endgame economy/strategy. And it would have to be provided by Cryptic at any rate. It would be like building up New Romulus, only with a Starbase, and for real this time...
More legacy building, and less grumping about, would be just fine with me.
Edit: This also means similar projects had to be available across the board, or else there will be trouble. Just felt that disturbance in the Aether. Hehe...
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I consider it an oversight on the dev's part that enabling players to have 3 starting characters with 3 playable factions would create the expectation of parity among those factions. Even if we have to wait for Season 9, let there be Romulan Fleet Holdings!
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With the Reputation and Starbase systems being similar, why not have a donation page that only Romulan players could access? Projects would be focused around a single player, like the Reputation system, and Romulan players simply do the projects. And when it's completed, it's added to the community total. And as the community goals are reached, new stores become accessible or construction moves to the next phase.
Maybe on this same page there is a voting section that allows Romulan players to choose what major project they like to focus on next.
The best thing is, if it proves successful, perhaps similar systems could be added to the other factions as well. Like letting the players decide which ship they like to see next or working towards unlocking access to worlds.
I'm warming up to this, and thus we must think of ways to spoil it, before someone else does.
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Just make the next Fleet offering a Romulan Outpost. Give the Rommies something all dull green on the outside and neon green on the inside and let us all get back to this being Star Trek and not Rommy Trek.
Romulans are as Trekky as they come. Now go and paint yourself red or blue, and all your dreams will come out true.
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I would agree that, in terms of priority, it should be way, way down the to-do list.
For now and forever more, get used to the idea that playable Romulans/Remans are members of a downtrodden society that was faced with near-extinction. That is now part of the 'canon' of this game, and it's highly unlikely to change.
The Republic's resources started out strained and since then have only been strained further by the establishment of New Romulus -- a still unexplored world -- building a fleet to oppose Sela and the Tal Shiar, and the attempt to establish a foothold within the Solanae Sphere. None of these impressive feats would have been possible without help from both the Federation and the Klingon Empire.
It's not too much to suggest that the Republic has insufficient resources to establish more than a handful of starbases. And, most likely, are simply taking over an existing facility rather than building one from scratch.
To me, it's more reasonable to take the existing Starfleet and KDF models and allow fleets to customize them with some Romulan decor and equipment. Basically something like Starfleet did when they took over DS9. That way, Cryptic can open the option to fleets who might not have T-5 starbases, or aren't fully Romulan, and they don't have to build a Romulan starbase from the ground up.
Yes, of course, in the future it's likely that the Republic will continue to expand and be able to stand more or less on their own, with their own starbases. But I don't see that story happening within the lifetime of this game. We're still in 2409, after all.
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I am a Romulan. I started a fleet. I'm not going to restart another one. My fleet is a Romulan fleet already, in spite of allied personnel having joined (and they were, and remain, welcome).
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I posted the link to this earlier, but I've gotten the impression that few bothered to go read it, so, here:
See, all I'm talking about are aesthetic options, what you call "Romulan decor and equipment." I don't want to get rid of the KDF-specific stuff I've already got, but I won't be getting much (if any) more (and as the Fleet Admiral, I select the projects, see, so this is me saying "No, I'm not selecting that project with the Klingon uniforms, the Klingon weapons, the Klingon flags, etc," and that means our dilithium gets spent on other things instead). And so the darlings of the game (Feds) don't start whining, and so the stepchildren of the game (KDF) aren't given another reason to point out how badly they've been shafted, I've expanded this idea beyond just "catering" to Romulans, so as to include similar variations for them as well, with the references to Orion, Gorn, Vulcan, Andorian, etc. decor and equipment.
Sure, I want a full-fledged New Romulan Republic faction. But let's take small steps rather than the "all or nothing!" false dilemma, because the small steps are more likely to be approved than the "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" approach.