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ironmercer
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So today I hit my ship slot limit. I didn't know there was one. Evidently the magic number is 38. Does STO seriously want me to stop spending Zen on ship slots? It's not like my massive dry dock is hurting anyone.
Please remove this limit! With all the new ships constantly coming out I am not going to delete a rare ship that took quite a bit of effort to get and properly outfit.
Please remove this limit! With all the new ships constantly coming out I am not going to delete a rare ship that took quite a bit of effort to get and properly outfit.
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Actually, if you consider the properties of a ship, its equipment and weapons, and all the consumables that it carries, you're talking about quite a bit of data. And when this gets multiplied by tens of thousands of accounts, each with multiple characters, you're talking about something that can easily become unmanageable...
The only other option I can think of would be to create another character and give them your unopened ships if possible. I doubt the limit will be removed. There has to be a limit otherwise the game would overload with so many ships.
38 non redeemable ships seems pretty intense
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
Data storage these days costs next to nothing. ...and besides that's what I'm paying for.
There are 23 ships alone that are cross-faction special (which I have most of) then add a few Fleet ships and a couple unique ones from the main faction list and it is very easy to get to max.
If you want a list of playable ships, check out the wiki: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Playable_starship
If I could keep more of my C-Store ships out I would.
Some people I know collect Lobi and Box ships... They are really hurting...
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But real time access to data storage is problematic... unless your accessing it from system RAM...
You have 38 lobi/award/fleet ships on one character? Seriously? I dont believe you. Show us with the picture
The point remains that I have good ships I want to keep and an increased dry dock would allow me to keep building. If I'm willing to pay for the slots, I should be able to do so and that's all I'm asking for here...after all this is a forum for feedback. I'm sure I'm not the only one out there collecting ships.
As to the point of server resources for shipyard slots, having people create additional characters (and all the database references that come with that) to get around it is much more resource intense than allowing for additional ship slots. It also isn't like the shipyard gets accessed every time you warp/beam in somewhere...so the overhead should be really low in the scheme of things (I'm not arguing that there is no overhead, only that it is negligible and they are compensated for it). I do have other characters that I have been pushing other ships to, (for example, I put the mirror ships on my characters of the relative class). I also have KDF and ROM characters collecting faction specific ships. That said, they are just alts, it's my main character I like to play and really work on.
I should also note that not all c-store ships can be re-obtained without a repeat zen expenditure. This may just be a bug but it happens often and therefore, how much can you really trust dropping paid for ships? Example, I have already purchased the Exploration Cruiser Retrofit but when dropping it I have to pay the Zen all over again. Same happened to me with the Exeter ship. There were others but they seem to come and go with different patch releases.
My main Ships-of-the-line
Cardassian Galor Class Cruiser (Lock Box)
Ferengi D'Kora Marauder (Lock Box)
Jem'Hadar Attack Ship (x-mas 2011/my main polaron dps)
Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier (Lock Box)
Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier (Lobi)
Breen Chel Grett Warship (x-mas 2012)
Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider (x-mas 2013)
Risian Corvette (Summer 2013)
Tholian Orb Weaver (Lock Box)
Obelisk Carrier (Feature Episode)
Kumari Andorian Escort (Zen/my main phaser dps ship)
Mirror Assault Cruiser (Lock Box)
Mirror Star Cruiser (Lock Box)
Dreadnought Cruiser (Zen/just too fun to drop)
Chimera Heavy Destroyer (soon to be Fleet)
Fleet Advanced Escort, Prometheus (Fleet/Zen/my main plasma dps)
Oydssey TAC Cruiser, Defiant (Zen/my main tank)
Fleet Long Rance Science, Voyager (Fleet/Zen)
NX Light Escort, Ent-NX (Zen/theme nights)
Cruiser Refit, Ent-A (Zen/theme nights)
Fleet Tac Escort (Fleet/Zen/my main anitproton dps)
Exploration Cruiser Retrofit, Ent-D (soon to be Fleet/Zen)
Oberth Light Science (Zen/theme nights)
Advanced Research, Nebula (soon to be Fleet/Zen)
Catian Atrox Carrier (soon to be Fleet)
D'Kyr Science (Zen/theme nights)
TOS Light Cruiser, Ent (Zen/theme nights)
Support Cruiser Retrofit, Ent-C (Featured Episode)
Fleet Adv. Heavy Cruiser, Ent-B (Fleet/Zen)
My main Shuttles/Small Ships
Tuffli Class Freighter (Reinforcement Pack)
Tholian Widow Fighter (Lobi)
Type-10 (DS9 Bundle)
Class F (TOS Bundle/theme nights)
Delta (Zen)
Captain's Yacht (Vet Reward)
Tal'Kyr (Zen/D'Kyr bundle)
Peregrine (Zen)
Ferengi Na'Far (Lobi)
Except that the only place where you access them all is at the ship selector on a ground map. At that point, changing the active ship and the equipment on them is simply a matter of changing the code values (sorry I don't remember the correct terminology, it has been over ten years since I last worked with Visual Basic). In that regard, it is much like using a game shark for a PS one, or the giveitem/givefeat command from Neverwinter Nights 2. It don't see that as being very much different that rearranging one's inventory.
We can't even change the hull configurations of our inactive ships without first going to the ship selector to make it the active ship. And that is a real pain going back and forth to modify the ships in our inactive inventory.
To the OP's point I do think the upper limit needs to be increased. Since we can now have both an active shuttle and an active capital ship, maybe it is time to have separate lists and limits for shuttles and ships.
NX Enterprise
TOS Enterprise
Oberth
Are all unlocks. You can remove your upgrades and dismiss them and just claim them again when needed. Technically the Atrox as well. Untill you get the fleet version that is.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Nah, a few bytes.
ship type, 1 byte
cosmetic physical - 2 bytes should cover all the combinations of hull, wings, etc IF that, and only need 2 because some ships have like 4 variations, so the combinations add up.
cosmetic, color scheme -- 2 bytes tops
the rest is gear, which is probably a lookup table. At a glance 16 bits may be enough, 65k items total in the game? If not, 32.
Total to store a ship, then, could be as low as say 64 bytes (allowing several more fields (gotta store the name, and probably a few other things). If it saves the BO and hotbar settings too, maybe 100 bytes or so.
To put in in perspective, I could probably store the ships for every player in the game on my decade+ old thumb drive which has 128 MB of space, and that is uncompressed. Compressed, its probably 1/10th of that.
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Reordered your list some, so that I could illustrate a count of the "completely irreplacable" ships...
20 ships that can't be reclaimed out of 38. 4 more that plans call to be made irreplacable. Still, not a complete "lockout" of your ship list...
Question 1: What kind of gear do you have on your 5 "theme night" ships? Bank-bait? Something that can be pulled off of a "main" ship for the night in question?
Question 2: How often do you do those "theme nights"? Tying 5 ship slots for ships that won't see the light of day but once a month or so might not be the swiftest move in the batch...
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Update: Season 8.5 Equipping ships also gets easier with the new ?easy equip? feature coming in the update. In addition, we?re going to be increasing the current ship slot limit. You?re going to love it!
The limit for storing ships is purely a programming choice, not a limit enforced by memory etc.
(Just thinking - how does 30+ ships display ingame? Is there a limit to the number of database calls that can be displayed in that interface? Would the additional calls impact performance? Operational costs?)
The cost to Cryptic isn't minor; change to the code of this type (especially something that will impact every player) will require significant testing as it 'could' impact users negatively. Lets say the change inadvertently reduces the number of ships.... you get the idea. And you can't roll back something that significant without downtime... more money lost.
The real question is what percentage of players will this ultimately affect. If the cost of the change only helps less than 1% of users, would that time be better spent on another issue that could generate more money or reduce other more significant issues which impact a larger percentage of players?
Welcome to the world of incremental software development, where planning never seems to consider all possibilities.
My Two Bits
Admiral Thrax
1. Ferengi Shuttle
2. Aeon Timeship
3. Tholian Fighter
4. Voth Heavy Fighter
5. Voth Bulwark-class Dreadnought
6. Voth Bastion-class Flight-deck Cruiser
7. Voth Palisade-class Science Vessel
8. Galor-class Cruiser
9. D'Kora-class Marauder
10. Jem'hadar Attack Ship
11. Jem'hadar Heavy Escort Carrier
12. Jem'hadar Dreadnought
13. Tuffli-class Freighter
14. Suliban Cellship
15. Tholian Recluse-class Carrier
16. Tholian Orbweaver-class Science Vessel
17. Tal'Shiar Adaped Battle Cruiser
18. Tal'Shiar Adapted Destroyer
19. Wells-class Temporal Science Vessel
20. Mobius-class Temporal Destroyer
21. Elachi Monbosh Battleship
22. Elachi S'gloth Escort
23. Breen Chel Grett Warship
24. Breen Plesh Heavy Raider
25. Risian Corvette
26. Advanced Obelisk-Class Carrier
The other ships I have are fleet/misc. and required fleet modules:
27. Fleet Avenger-class Battle Cruiser
28. Fleet Chimera-class Heavy Destroyer
29. Fleet Ambassador-class Support Cruiser
30. Fleet Sovereign-class Assault Cruiser
31. Fleet Prometheus-class MVAM Escort
32. Fleet Galaxy-class Exploration Cruiser
33. Fleet Aquarius-Class Destroyer
34. Fleet Armitage-class Heavy Escort Carrier
35. Fleet Caitian Atrox-class Carrier
Then I have some C-ships:
36. Galaxy-X-class Dreadnought
37. Andorian Kumari-class Escort
38. Vesta-class Multi-Mission Explorer