Beam Avenger

jam3s1701 · December 2013

So after running DHC's for like an age i want a good beam build....

I got Advanced Fleet Phasers which i like but i don't seem to do the DPS i like (yes i know beams don't do the dmg that DHC's do)

But only doing 2-3k DPS is kinda TRIBBLE any ideas on what i should get etc etc

Thanks

stoutes · December 2013

Hey there,

I'm doing around 8k/9k dps on average with my fleet avenger and beams (altough still with an unimproved skilltree.. *sigh*), it might help us if you add your build in this topic by using the Skillplanner.

rylanadionysis · December 2013

Hi

Check my sig for the link to DNT Upsilon X, that is my Fleet Avenger beamboat build I am currently using

it is very solid, and I am sure could be tweaked any way you like to fit your captain class, playstyle, etc.

drazaal · December 2013

Atm the dps from beams is not reliable because FAW does not crit at all

After the fix for the energy drain from FAW the crit is broken again.

stoutes · December 2013

drazaal wrote: »

Atm the dps from beams is not reliable because FAW does not crit at all

After the fix for the energy drain from FAW the crit is broken again.

Even though it doesn't crit I do get a very reasonable dps out of it.

slashdot1 · December 2013

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=fleetaveger_0

You might want to see this build, it`s mine for now. At this build i`m getting about 5K dps average, but i`m an average player with no pro-intentions whatsoever. Yes i don`t bother with the new rep or tac consoles, so you could call this old school build.
Also, i know my build isn`t optimal, far from it, but at least it`ll give you an idea what`s possible. I prefer bams any day of the week above cannons, cause my playstyle allows that. Beams have a more relaxed playstyle than cannons in my opinion.

kalicopko1 · December 2013

Here is my eng fleet Avenger build: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=machdiavenger_0

I know my skill points arent well spent (for now).

drazaal · December 2013

stoutes wrote: »

Even though it doesn't crit I do get a very reasonable dps out of it.

Yes me2 but imagine what it would be if FAW critted

jam3s1701 · January 2014

ok soooo i decided the drain on beam was too great so here is my cannon build

some tweaks are needed i know with fleet weps needed to be got but so far im not hitting good DPS and no idea why HELP!!!

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=mybuild0012408_0

Skill tree to follow...

dahminus · January 2014

Ok,you want beams or cannons? I can give ya a build for either.

Other question, aux2bat or non aux2bat?

Cheers

jam3s1701 · January 2014

dahminus wrote: »

Ok,you want beams or cannons? I can give ya a build for either.

Other question, aux2bat or non aux2bat?

Cheers

I want a build that uses both cannons and beams as i like to switch it up a bit...

Beams for certain pve/pvp like SB24 and azure neb.

Cannons for fleet mark stuff and borg.

and non aux2bat as bat doffs are stupidly high on exchange atm lol.

I am willing to re do skill tree etc if needed.

I am looking for 15-20k build if poss.

Thanks

organicmanfred · January 2014

jam3s1701 wrote: »

ok soooo i decided the drain on beam was too great so here is my cannon build

some tweaks are needed i know with fleet weps needed to be got but so far im not hitting good DPS and no idea why HELP!!!

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=mybuild0012408_0

Skill tree to follow...

wow I am impressed... but how do you manage the turn? A lot of forwarding power with a small arc.

jam3s1701 · January 2014

organicmanfred wrote: »

wow I am impressed... but how do you manage the turn? A lot of forwarding power with a small arc.

A lot of judgement of the situation,

Evasive maneuvers and lot of luck lol

But I hold my own and manage to get out of and into the thick of it easy enough.

rmy1081 · January 2014

jam3s1701 wrote: »

I want a build that uses both cannons and beams as i like to switch it up a bit...

Beams for certain pve/pvp like SB24 and azure neb.

Cannons for fleet mark stuff and borg.

Here's a hybrid build. Idk what DPS it will do but it will get you through all elite content just fine.

http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/index.php?build=cbavenger_5545

All cannon build:

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=a2d2bavenger_5545

Single Aux2Batt works really well. It puts DEM and RSP on global and EPtX only have a few second gap.

All Beam Build:

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=a2d2bbeamavenger_5545

jam3s1701 wrote: »

and non aux2bat as bat doffs are stupidly high on exchange atm lol.

Tech Doffs (Aux2Bat Doffs) are free if you do the B'Tran Doff missions. It takes a while but you can get free purple quality.

DPS Avenger with some CC:

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=ccavenger_5545

Needs 3 Blue or better Damage control engineer doffs for EPtX cooldown
1 Voth tractor beam doff for utility.

If you're into some crowd control this is a fun build I've been playing with. TBR can also do some great hull damage by itself but if it's doffed you can use it with warp plasma for some really fun times.

These builds are just ideas. I wont get mad if you hate them all or want to modify them in any way.

dahminus · January 2014

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=avengernonauxcan_0
3 zemoks(attack pattern conn doff), marion, 2 others of your choice, perhaps shield distribution doffs for brace for impact

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=avengernonauxbeam_0
Marion. 3 maintenance battery doffs, quatermaster battery doff and one of your choice

gstamo01 · January 2014

Beam Arrays in the forward slot of a 5 forward weapon vessel seems kind of stupid. Dual Beam Banks would be a better punch.. If all you were going to do is run Beam Arrays on the dang thing, why did you even bother to purchase it?

If you want beams, run Dual Banks.. Five Antiproton Dual Beam Banks up front, the Omni 360 and Kinetic Cutter in the back with either a Mine or like a Cluster Torp or something. You could put one whole beam array in that last slot if you don't have a Mine or Cluster Torp..

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=suckit_0

You'll probably want to work two TT Doffs into that links build for the Pattern Boost and Refresh Time.

ursusmorologus · January 2014

gstamo01 wrote: »

Beam Arrays in the forward slot of a 5 forward weapon vessel seems kind of stupid. Dual Beam Banks would be a better punch.. If all you were going to do is run Beam Arrays on the dang thing, why did you even bother to purchase it?

You're half right, 5/3 is same as 4/4 when you're broadsiding.

But there is a window where you are facing the target but not yet in broadside, where having most of your beams forward comes in handy, and having 5 beams forward hurts, a lot. Then when you pull up alongside and start broadsiding, they are already in trouble.

dahminus · January 2014

gstamo01 wrote: »

Beam Arrays in the forward slot of a 5 forward weapon vessel seems kind of stupid. Dual Beam Banks would be a better punch.. If all you were going to do is run Beam Arrays on the dang thing, why did you even bother to purchase it?

If you want beams, run Dual Banks.. Five Antiproton Dual Beam Banks up front, the Omni 360 and Kinetic Cutter in the back with either a Mine or like a Cluster Torp or something. You could put one whole beam array in that last slot if you don't have a Mine or Cluster Torp..

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=suckit_0

You'll probably want to work two TT Doffs into that links build for the Pattern Boost and Refresh Time.

If you want dps, you go beam arrays, its all about the arc. To say using beams on a 5 fore ship is stupid shows your inexperience.

Dont worry, I thought dhcs were the best for dps a few months ago. We were all green at one time

capnshadow27 · January 2014

dahminus wrote: »

If you want dps, you go beam arrays, its all about the arc. To say using beams on a 5 fore ship is stupid shows your inexperience.

Dont worry, I thought dhcs were the best for dps a few months ago. We were all green at one time

:eek: Quickly someone replicate a glass of cool water for that burn!

J/K thats wasnt nice of me.

I wish there where more things with more arc.

gstamo01 · January 2014

dahminus wrote: »

If you want dps, you go beam arrays, its all about the arc. To say using beams on a 5 fore ship is stupid shows your inexperience.

Nope, five dual beams will do more and shows YOUR inexperience. Now, if you are one of those lazy players that can't be bothered to plan ahead over spamming space bar, that's fine, but there are better ships to use for that.

capnshadow, i've seen your builds...so go sit back in the corner little man.

dahminus · January 2014

Do you run a parser? Mind link your dbb or cannon or non beam array build that does 50k dps?

As in start to finish ise, 50k dps. Because that wouldn't just shock me...but every player that cares about dps, you would be a legend.

I'm currently a dhc Plesh Brek. Not out of defiance but that I enjoy cannons. A beam schimitar of mine is in the works so to speak. Right now I'm at 25k dps.

Back on topic, provide a dps report (of any kind) if you do 50k+ that would be astonishing. If you understand how parser work, at least you can see how wrong you are

gstamo01 · January 2014

The only freaking way you are hitting 50k (lol) is by hitting targets that can't even take dmg. People that talk smack like 50k dps are a joke because they can't do simple math.

Yeah, I run a parser. I run several different types and never has anyone held over 25k for the duration of a match in real DMG. Ever. You idiots and your claims of crazy crazy always make me laugh.

dahminus · January 2014

gstamo01 wrote: »

The only freaking way you are hitting 50k (lol) is by hitting targets that can't even take dmg. People that talk smack like 50k dps are a joke because they can't do simple math.

Yeah, I run a parser. I run several different types and never has anyone held over 25k for the duration of a match in real DMG. Ever. You idiots and your claims of crazy crazy always make me laugh.

Hater gotta hate what he can't understand...no worries. I thought same until I got into the dps channels. Cannons only thing holding me back now...

capnshadow27 · January 2014

Now children, call yourselves before some has a hissy fit and reports the other for trolling :rolleyes:

dahminus · January 2014

I know where I stand. I was in the exact same place as he was. It's just a lack of understanding...nothing more.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=34ybi4h&s=5#.UtN63jhMXHw
There's a ss of a parse of someone doing 50k. Not hulk's like or was hoping but it is someone.

So that covers the "ss or it didn't happen bs"

rylanadionysis · January 2014

Hi there, if anyone in this thread wants to e-peen test their "50k dps" build, im game to parse it for ya =D

There are only two people in the entire game that I know of to have ever hit 50k DPS, and you sir are not one of them.

>_>

Edit to add: oh he didnt claim he could do that much. nm

Anyway, 50k is possible, its been done. Its also extremely hard to do. Not even I can do it, my max currently is 29k in a beam scimitar.

It is also possible to do burst DPS of over 300k for a few seconds with the right build, and this is the ONLY place DHCs can actually outdo beams, and ONLY if the burst crits on a scatter volley.

50k sustained, about 300k burst would be the ultimate top.

Very very few are even close to that.

agentdaniels · January 2014

Hello guys

Can someone explain how to calculate the DPS on my ships?

Thanks in advance

capnshadow27 · January 2014

agentdaniels wrote: »

Hello guys

Can someone explain how to calculate the DPS on my ships?

Thanks in advance

Parser. This can only be done with a Parser, or by someone with a Parser. The math it would take for you to do it, without a Parser is mind boggling.

meimeitoo · January 2014

gstamo01 wrote: »

The only freaking way you are hitting 50k (lol) is by hitting targets that can't even take dmg. People that talk smack like 50k dps are a joke because they can't do simple math.

Yeah, I run a parser. I run several different types and never has anyone held over 25k for the duration of a match in real DMG. Ever. You idiots and your claims of crazy crazy always make me laugh.

There is a realm of DPS so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it. It is beyond your comprehension.

On a good day I do 14k. For a Fed engingeer, it's something I can live with. Others in my Fleet can do 45k+ DPS. They're Tacts, for one, using GDF (and a lot more CrtH) in the process. So, a reasonably normal player doing 14k, to an extremely apt player doing 45k, that's not much of a stretch of the imagination, really.

nickx9 · January 2014

Tryed DHCs on it, Tryed DBBs , felt Like big slow turning Turret , and for that fore DMG DHC output I rather fly diferent Ship ( One of Andorian Eskorts imo )

Went All beams and magic happend

here is my current build: http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=avengerplasma_3238

It did great in PVE and somehow good in PvP (the lack of ACC is noticable in PvP against AtpOmega escorts )

I like having Auh so no AtB for me, also I use FAW when i need it, so 1 copy is enough ( tac initiative ftw )

doffs are 2xAttack patern , 2xEptX , 1 Auh to D .

Flow caps are not +Plasma because I found those give little dps, and those hull and Shield heal ones seams better for me, and can be transvered to another energy type build

With Leach and EptW / EptS rotation I am at 125+/120/95/95 energy levels 90% of the time

Tet glider is at 50+ per pulse, DEM is at 60 / 70 (15s downtime with 2 coppies), both read from weapon tooltip

When I get Fleet CritH consoles that Proton wep and console will go for another Rom plasma BB and Nucara acc console

. . .

On my shoping list for PVP oriented Avenger is this: http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=avengerpolaron_3238

that will bring a lot of PRESURE dps to Shields, Hull and Energy levels , and has +30% more acc then Plasma one so Is PvP friendly lol

doffingcomrade · January 2014

"Extreme DPS" results essentially are burst results: By running with a team that can finish the entire mission within the time limits of chained Tac Fleets and goodly portion of an APA, combined with stacked betas, it is possible to get extremely high DPS results by ending the mission before you run out of buffs to throw. None of these results can be sustained for extended periods of time, or alone, assuming that there was more mission to sustain it on.

To that end, all those outlandish 50K DPS results are basically fudged: You can only achieve it under a very narrow set of conditions, supported by a specific team composition.

Beam Avenger

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