Im tempted to PvP randomly with all white gear/no doffs and rainbow setups/mixed up screwy boff power.
Just do it totally wrong, and then wait for when I kill someone who then cries about power creep, aux to hax, OP romulans, moar crit, Y U NO STAND STILL, cheese, blahblahblah
No matter what you do man, someone is gonna qq just because they lost.
If you want to ensure hax calls... put together a 5 man with commadner ships or something. When you win the cries will start fast.
I did see some folks mention that THEY find PvE in this game to be far to easy. If you find the pve in this game hard, that's cool man sorry we hurt your feelings. For the record yes People that mainly pvp and people that mainly pve on a high level find the PvE content to mostly be a joke. That isn't a dig at any player... its a dig at the people that create the content. Perhaps your a dev incognito or something. Honestly though even that isn't really a dig at the devs. They have been instructed to make there game as easy to pick up for people entering the game as possible.
"Hurt" is not correct word here. "Angry" is much more appropriate. Angry at the people on both sides who seem to go out of their way to antagonize and mock the other viewpoint. Not singling anyone or either side out. Plenty of idiocy has been thrown all over these forums on this whole topic.
Incognito Dev? Moi? With two warnings from both Branflakes and bluegeek? Go and ask them if you are uncertain about whether or not this is true. And I'm the one reading something different from everyone else? Riight.
The issue I think a few people have been trying to raise is this. The devs have created a game that is pretty easy to play... most people level to 50 never experiencing the 15 second respawn window, or they see it 1-2 times in days of game play. So yes when they get to PvP where the stuff your shooting at thinks before it shoots back... yes it is jarring to many new players to realize they are going to be seeing that respawn window 3-8 times in a match. Even experienced players can become blind to simple numbers... when we first started running TD matches it was a shock for some people to realize they where GOING to die every single match, or we where just going to juggle the teams until they did. lol
In any event you seem invested in the argument you would like to invent here... relax man. We all play PvE although sure many of us prefer good pvp when we can get it. Horizon is simply trying to set some expectations for new players... that yes becoming competent in PvP takes work... and a humble nature. Every player gets humbled when they start PvPing in any new game... its the nature of gaming. Come in humble to start with and you progress much faster. See ya in game.
And where were you at when I was getting my TRIBBLE and my head handed to me while playing MechWarrior IV online? Or CnC Generals? Or Ultima? I stuck it out and got better. So PvP in STO isn't my first rodeo. I do PUG PvP. My Fleet does PvP events within the Fleet. At 51 years old I am also certainly aware learning new things takes time. Don't try to appear reasonable and condescending at the same time, either. It is unattractive.
I didn't "invent" the argument over whether PvE and PvP is better and whether people who play either are better players. The following is an example of what I am angry about.
Player A does PvE only. Player B does PvP only.
Player B says, "Hey, PvE Sux, lol! Come try PvP."
Player A says, "No thanks. Not yet. Maybe later."
Player B's buddy then piles on with, "Watsa matta? Scared?"
Player A's replies with, "Nope, just don't wanna today"
Player B's other buddy then piles into the argument with, "Some people don't wanna play Real STO! 'Cuz they're scared they might scratch the paint on their new shiny!"
Player A's buddy then replies to this with, "Elitist PvP Snob!"
At this point, both groups stop listening and start shouting because they want to be right and have the final word more than they want to just play STO. Regardless of which flavor they like.
In case you missed it or, were reading something other than what I've posted, the above is what I am angry about.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
What was the phrase I read the other day in another post? Ah yes, "Kirking". That was it.
In case you missed it or, were reading something other than what I've posted, the above is what I am angry about.
Yes the term kirking has become a term used in STO... mainly because its a funny way to describe a game style. One word and people know what you mean. Its simple effective communication. No one uses it to say someone is dumb... but there actions are I'm sorry to say. Just like in the old episodes we have all seen (we are all playing STO for a reason) where Kirk would go off half cocked instead of waiting for his friends to help em out. Heck its one of the morals of the Trek Story... that Good old Captain Kirk needs to trust others and accept there help to overcome X or Y. lol
If you where intending your post to be a rail against general stupidity... then I humbly accept that I misread your meaning. It seemed to me you where speaking about the OP and perhaps 1-2 posts in the thread specifically.
Congrats on the long history of gaming by the way... I do love you calling me condescending by yourself being such. I admit I am not as old as you, I'm no baby though and I doubt you where working in pascal on door games in you teens in the 80s (oh 2400 baud I don't miss you) so I think we can call it even. lmao
Heck there thunderfoot I don't see what your talking about man.
My original post was aimed at defeating the pVp trolls. At reaching out to those who will help you out if you aren't performing well, and would like to.
I don't remember ever personally flaming or talking down to anyone who loves the pVe. I even stated in a couple posts how much those elite stf guys guide me thru the right patterns so that we can get the bonuses. I sure as hell can't remember em. And sometimes I TRIBBLE up and they let me know about it. Some more harshly than others. But that's cool.
It's a shame some people feel the need to bash other players instead of helping them out. But that's life I guess. So why not make friends. I have my STF friends. I play with them every so often. But they never come pVP with me. What's wrong with just speaking out loud and sayin... Hey!!! It's cool!!! If that's what out want to do in the game get to it man.
But if you would like to pVp, the game changes. It gets rough, fast. And don't listen to those what will troll you. Learn and come back stronger. Again, I refer to my original post.
Too many guys who want to make the jump to pVp run into the bad apples. They get blown up. And made fun of. It's all just one big sandbox bully scenario isn't it.
But if you want to pVp, there are resources for your guidance. Heck, even a dev was the first responder to this thread in support of those olive branches being extended. I don't think he would have responded like that if I was just trolling the pVe crowd. Not my style anyways. I actually get along with mostly everyone. Even rival pVp fleet guys.
the pvp vs pve stuff is a smoke screen, its the usual line that gets drawn, but its not that simple. there the compeditive and the pros on both sides, with the guys that can do NWS and STFs in 3 minutes. those are kindred spirits to most us pvp guys. its really the competitive pvp'ers and STF and NWS pro pve'ers that are on 1 side, and everybody else, if sides are to be drawn.
i may have come off pretty salty befor, but thats only because that casual player base is responsible for all the lowest common denominate content we have to suffer through, in all games not just this one. what if the pve grind content was actually fun instead of just frustratingly annoying? if its not some stupid invincibility shield on 1 side of the ship, its 1 shot crits. none of that TRIBBLE is fun, an npc with as many station powers and weapons as a player ship would be fun. but there are literally players so bad, that they dont equip boffs out there, and thats what they have to keep in mind when they make content.
the only real line there is between groups of players is the attitude line. those that would rather complain, stay ignorant and lash out at everyone that knows what they are doing, bringing out the worst in everyone around them, and those that want to understand why they arent doing well, and want to learn.
Player A does PvE only. Player B does PvP only.
Player B says, "Hey, PvE Sux, lol! Come try PvP."
Player A says, "No thanks. Not yet. Maybe later."
Player B's buddy then piles on with, "Watsa matta? Scared?"
Player A's replies with, "Nope, just don't wanna today"
Player B's other buddy then piles into the argument with, "Some people don't wanna play Real STO! 'Cuz they're scared they might scratch the paint on their new shiny!"
Player A's buddy then replies to this with, "Elitist PvP Snob!"
At this point, both groups stop listening and start shouting because they want to be right and have the final word more than they want to just play STO. Regardless of which flavor they like.
In case you missed it or, were reading something other than what I've posted, the above is what I am angry about.
There are mainly two variants of the PvE vs PvP arguments -
1. Some broken mechanics in the game gets introduced, and PvP folks bring it to other people's attention in the forum. PvE general rage can be heard echoing across seven seas. Why? Because it is in fact, like you put it so aptly, "Us vs Them". And I have said this before, and I will repeat it here. In PvE, "us" is us, and "them" are npcs. In PvP, "us" is us, and "them" are also us. And as we all know, npcs do not complaint. Proof -tric mines and faw with insane overcaps.
2. Part-time PvE folks, or part-time PvP folks, depending upon which one they lean towards more, enter pug queues. And this is where the term "kirking" shines into relevance. We have had this discussion many times in the forum before, there is even a recent one that you can go back and refer to. [Link]
Now, I am a part-time PvEer who comes from a decent sized PvE fleet. I have tried to get my fellow fleet mates to PvP with various degrees of results. I would like a team of my own very much, more than anything, but even I have never gone through that coaxing conversation that you put up there, neither have I come across an instance of a conversation like that happening ever. Either you live in a corner of STO where I have never visited, or that conversation happened entirely in your mind. Either way, it seems like if it did happen to you, it's an outlier. I haven't seen one even in the forums. And by chance, it did happen to you, you should stay a pole's length away from that particular player. If I was trying to get a friend to PvP, I would want to help them and teach them the ropes first, not goad them into doing something they do not want to do.
Btw, it is possible to beat a premade as a pug. Have done it before, and did one just a couple days ago. When eveybody in you team is dedicated to PvP, and on rare occasions, when the matchmaking gods seem to smile on you and you get just the right mix of careers in your team, and everybody knows and executes their roles perfectly, it seems even a premade can be broken by pugs. When it happens to you, it will leave you smiling.
Lol yeah poke....rsmith, you were doing backflips when it happened. I'm just happy you had fun to be honest. Besides, we do let you practise on us from time to time
PvE is for some, it allows to unwind and enjoy the game. Sometimes though a little something else is needed. Over the weekend I solo'd Spire Elite because 3 of my team left and I had an idiot that was running a shuttle that stayed but popped every 30 seconds. I have said since the beginning a "Bad" PVP build will usually clean up in PvE, a great PvE build may be "decent" in PvP. The biggest issue that PvPers have is the fact that we are made to grind PvE to match the "power creep" in the game whether its P2W consoles in ships, doffs, boffs, or ships. There probably would be less angst if there was a way to accomplish much of the what PvE offers through PvP also.
Hey I Used to be Captain Data, well I guess I still am in game but the account link really screwed everything up :rolleyes:
and now anyone that puts any effort into their game is a try hard, power gameing egomaniac. when we que up, we arent going into a preschool and trampling children, you came to the fight club, so dont complain when a player isnt delicate, and doing his best not to hurt your feelings
Even experienced players can become blind to simple numbers... when we first started running TD matches it was a shock for some people to realize they where GOING to die every single match, or we where just going to juggle the teams until they did. lol
You're going to criticize casuals? They're the portion of the playerbase that are playing the game right dude. What, you don't believe me? Why do you think they're the ones that have the most fun out of this game? Hmm? In the meantime, we hardcore players are brooding in a corner complaining about lack of content or difficulty. Open your eyes, we're not special breed because we know to click tactical team when someone shoots at us or science team clears science debuffs, defense tanking, teamwork etc...
it has nothing to do with some kind of sense of superiority i feel from being able to combo station powers best, its the entire feeling of fun there is to have from a good pvp match. there are plenty of ups and downs for pvpers, but these casuals arent getting anywhere near the highs they could be having. i really have no idea how this game retains any players with the quality of space combat vs npcs. it could be 10 times better, they have chosen to make it this way because of the casual player that will only eventually lose interest and move on.
I have said it before and I will say it again. In my view, knowing about sto mechanics, even a little bit, BREAKS the game. Tyler durden, organizedpvp, tournament rules regulate the effects of a broken game for some people.
total BS. this is that defeatist attitude im always talking about. all this tells me is that you dont know enough about sto mechanics. on the contrary, you can never know enough. theres almost nothing that cant be well countered, but that doesn't mean somethings out there dont suck the fun out of the room. imbalanced things that are introduced into the game are the problem, not knowing how to play.
Seriously, read that, you'll get a kick out of (most) of it.
Now, everyone begins as a poor player?it takes time to learn a game to get to a point where you know what you?re doing. There is the mistaken notion, though, that by merely continuing to play or ?learn? the game, one can become a top player. In reality, the ?scrub? has many more mental obstacles to overcome than anything actually going on during the game. The scrub has lost the game even before it starts. He?s lost the game even before deciding which game to play. His problem? He does not play to win.
im so tempted to post this link in one of those cringe worthy why dont you pvp? threads. those are nothing but thinly veiled hate and rage at pvp here, threads, or at least thats all they attract. if only this mental obstacle came with a block that prevents them from complaining about whatever it is they arent playing to win.
according to the link though, i guess most of us are scrubs to a degree, because we choose not to use certain things we feel are distasteful or cheap. part of that though is a concern that i'd be utterly ruining the fun of others, and driving people away, and thats the last thing i want to do. a win with such tools does not feel satisfying to me, and it can make what would have been a good fun lose feel very bitter. im play to win, but play to win and have fun, not play to win at all costs and at the expense of everyone around me. but fun requires being the very best i can be within my own set of rules. all with fairly off beat, but minmaxed to their potential builds. i can live with being a scrub, ive been called worse :P
im so tempted to post this link in one of those cringe worthy why dont you pvp? threads. those are nothing but thinly veiled hate and rage at pvp here, threads, or at least thats all they attract. if only this mental obstacle came with a block that prevents them from complaining about whatever it is they arent playing to win.
It goes for a number of PvPers as well, people not willing to adapt (within reason) or who have an overly convoluted set of ideas of what is "ok" in PvP (I'm talking people who take it overboard, as opposed to players who might have a few particular hang ups - for example anything that is able to kill their "ultimate zombie cruiser" is labeled as "cheating").
according to the link though, i guess most of us are scrubs to a degree, because we choose not to use certain things we feel are distasteful or cheap. part of that though is a concern that i'd be utterly ruining the fun of others, and driving people away, and thats the last thing i want to do. a win with such tools does not feel satisfying to me, and it can make what would have been a good fun lose feel very bitter. im play to win, but play to win and have fun, not play to win at all costs and at the expense of everyone around me. but fun requires being the very best i can be within my own set of rules. all with fairly off beat, but minmaxed to their potential builds. i can live with being a scrub, ive been called worse :P
I agree here (I'm guilty as well).
Although it is interesting to note how most of the really successful tournaments have an extremely small list of rules and "banned" items - most of these also tend to be some of the exceptions he names, things that clearly do have the potential to totally dominate the entire metagame.
That is all very interesting. And I really wish sto was just like that. I really do. Also, I'm not arrogant enough to think I know everything there is to know about sto. That said, please watch this video.
This is where knowledge takes you, this is what's waiting for you. I like this video, I really do and I have been using it a lot lately. It tells a deeply troubling story, not in so many words but straight to the point.
This is what sto pvp would be like if people didn't make up rules, tyler durden or some other body to regulate the real sto pvp. Yeah, I said it, mirror universe cheese are the people that were really pvpin'!!!!
im afraid you failed to make a point. that player got focused and hit by sci and CC abilities. it actually took longer for him to die then if those ships were just escorts hitting him with DHCs or multi FAW. the other team basically let that happen, because they apparently couldn't fight back at all. thats just due to the common skill imbalances from pug team to pug team.
this thread was about how we could come together against pvp trolling. how we can be our best. at whatever we like to do. pve or pvp....but we definitely shouldnt be swayed by the pvp trolls.
drunk, we've known each other for a long time man. ease up.
and deokkent, i read your posts all the time man. i know you have a tougher skin...
You didn't have to reply in that disingenuous trolling tone. If you've lost interest in the conversation we can just discontinue.
i was being quite serious. but i've also been a grumpy prick lately, and debating these days just ends up annoying me more and more lately. so often people's points of view are like the polar opposite of what, dare i say, is correct. its just a PITA to work back from that far away point.
to pvp they just need to see what a decent looking pvp build looks like, set up a bunch of keybinds, and go play a bit.
You don't even need a bunch of keybinds - I use one good one.
Just like any PvP in any game, playing and learning, and playing and dying, and playing and learning some more, is the key to having fun.
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everything else is a one click on the numpad..... or....alt+numpad....
all of them are on the numpad.
i have 4 different power focus levels set to the square with home/end/pageup/pagedown/delete square.
i target teammates for tt with shift1234
i fire with the add key
i cycle targets with SPACEBAR................................ :O
i call shots with R....and steer wasd.....full limpulse at E
......numpad4 is down 1/4 impulse........numpad7 is up 1/4 impulse.......
anyway you fly it..... find your groove...
be it 1 key...or 5..... or 12!!!!!
be situational! be aware of your surroundings!
and have fun kill bad guys
^ doin it right! mine are as advanced, it really is a huge benefit to be able to bang off a catagory of powers without clicking wile you turn the camera with the mouse. good , comprehensive binds are the number 1 thing i would sugest new or struggling players adopt.
^ doin it right! mine are as advanced, it really is a huge benefit to be able to bang off a catagory of powers without clicking wile you turn the camera with the mouse. good , comprehensive binds are the number 1 thing i would sugest new or struggling players adopt.
rgr that drunk. my gf says if i could play the piano like i click this keyboard i'd be some kind of famous musician lol.
Well edit that.... I do have my weapon bound... depending on build 1-4 fire keys for different weapons.
I only use one myself, its my G key which I use for assisting whoever the caller is, and its also my redistribute. So i just mash G constantly while clicking powers.
If im leading I mash G and click powers and try to target the one of opportunity. Personally I think reliance on keybinds to play is a crutch and takes a sense of skill out of the game, but thats not a slam to anyone that uses them.
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Space bar, it activates everything, just smash your head on it till you pass out. If your opponent passes out first, you win. This is a true test of skill.
I've been playing PvP last 2-3 days as I got bored of PvE (always same things)...
I was suprised of my Fleet Recon Sci Vessel's capability to keep up with Escorts and Birds of Prey in terms of damage dished, both on Ker'rat and Capture/Arena maps. Only irritating thing is that all my slow and hold effects seem to have absolutly no effects on them...
Only keybinds I use are Space and 1-6 + Ctrl-(1-6), everything else I click with the mouse.
comprehensive binds are the number 1 thing i would sugest new or struggling players adopt.
I'll get right on that. Just as soon as it isn't a pain in the tuchus. Make it a tab in the game options menu, and I'm in, but I'll have none of this bush league, amateur hour TRIBBLE about chat commands and/or altering files in the game directory, only to find out it doesn't carry between alts. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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If you want to ensure hax calls... put together a 5 man with commadner ships or something. When you win the cries will start fast.
Not said. But certainly not shied away from either. And most definitely implied and inferred.
What was the phrase I read the other day in another post? Ah yes, "Kirking". That was it.
"Hurt" is not correct word here. "Angry" is much more appropriate. Angry at the people on both sides who seem to go out of their way to antagonize and mock the other viewpoint. Not singling anyone or either side out. Plenty of idiocy has been thrown all over these forums on this whole topic.
Incognito Dev? Moi? With two warnings from both Branflakes and bluegeek? Go and ask them if you are uncertain about whether or not this is true. And I'm the one reading something different from everyone else? Riight.
And where were you at when I was getting my TRIBBLE and my head handed to me while playing MechWarrior IV online? Or CnC Generals? Or Ultima? I stuck it out and got better. So PvP in STO isn't my first rodeo. I do PUG PvP. My Fleet does PvP events within the Fleet. At 51 years old I am also certainly aware learning new things takes time. Don't try to appear reasonable and condescending at the same time, either. It is unattractive.
I didn't "invent" the argument over whether PvE and PvP is better and whether people who play either are better players. The following is an example of what I am angry about.
Player A does PvE only. Player B does PvP only.
Player B says, "Hey, PvE Sux, lol! Come try PvP."
Player A says, "No thanks. Not yet. Maybe later."
Player B's buddy then piles on with, "Watsa matta? Scared?"
Player A's replies with, "Nope, just don't wanna today"
Player B's other buddy then piles into the argument with, "Some people don't wanna play Real STO! 'Cuz they're scared they might scratch the paint on their new shiny!"
Player A's buddy then replies to this with, "Elitist PvP Snob!"
At this point, both groups stop listening and start shouting because they want to be right and have the final word more than they want to just play STO. Regardless of which flavor they like.
In case you missed it or, were reading something other than what I've posted, the above is what I am angry about.
Yes the term kirking has become a term used in STO... mainly because its a funny way to describe a game style. One word and people know what you mean. Its simple effective communication. No one uses it to say someone is dumb... but there actions are I'm sorry to say. Just like in the old episodes we have all seen (we are all playing STO for a reason) where Kirk would go off half cocked instead of waiting for his friends to help em out. Heck its one of the morals of the Trek Story... that Good old Captain Kirk needs to trust others and accept there help to overcome X or Y. lol
If you where intending your post to be a rail against general stupidity... then I humbly accept that I misread your meaning. It seemed to me you where speaking about the OP and perhaps 1-2 posts in the thread specifically.
Congrats on the long history of gaming by the way... I do love you calling me condescending by yourself being such. I admit I am not as old as you, I'm no baby though and I doubt you where working in pascal on door games in you teens in the 80s (oh 2400 baud I don't miss you) so I think we can call it even. lmao
My original post was aimed at defeating the pVp trolls. At reaching out to those who will help you out if you aren't performing well, and would like to.
I don't remember ever personally flaming or talking down to anyone who loves the pVe. I even stated in a couple posts how much those elite stf guys guide me thru the right patterns so that we can get the bonuses. I sure as hell can't remember em. And sometimes I TRIBBLE up and they let me know about it. Some more harshly than others. But that's cool.
It's a shame some people feel the need to bash other players instead of helping them out. But that's life I guess. So why not make friends. I have my STF friends. I play with them every so often. But they never come pVP with me. What's wrong with just speaking out loud and sayin... Hey!!! It's cool!!! If that's what out want to do in the game get to it man.
But if you would like to pVp, the game changes. It gets rough, fast. And don't listen to those what will troll you. Learn and come back stronger. Again, I refer to my original post.
Too many guys who want to make the jump to pVp run into the bad apples. They get blown up. And made fun of. It's all just one big sandbox bully scenario isn't it.
But if you want to pVp, there are resources for your guidance. Heck, even a dev was the first responder to this thread in support of those olive branches being extended. I don't think he would have responded like that if I was just trolling the pVe crowd. Not my style anyways. I actually get along with mostly everyone. Even rival pVp fleet guys.
Anyways man.
Have fun kill bad guys.
i may have come off pretty salty befor, but thats only because that casual player base is responsible for all the lowest common denominate content we have to suffer through, in all games not just this one. what if the pve grind content was actually fun instead of just frustratingly annoying? if its not some stupid invincibility shield on 1 side of the ship, its 1 shot crits. none of that TRIBBLE is fun, an npc with as many station powers and weapons as a player ship would be fun. but there are literally players so bad, that they dont equip boffs out there, and thats what they have to keep in mind when they make content.
the only real line there is between groups of players is the attitude line. those that would rather complain, stay ignorant and lash out at everyone that knows what they are doing, bringing out the worst in everyone around them, and those that want to understand why they arent doing well, and want to learn.
Did we just pretend to chastise both sides of the argument for their limited visions and then immediately proceed to jump on to the high horse?
Anyway, moving on. The debate of PvP vs PvE never comes down to the way you represented in your last post -
There are mainly two variants of the PvE vs PvP arguments -
1. Some broken mechanics in the game gets introduced, and PvP folks bring it to other people's attention in the forum. PvE general rage can be heard echoing across seven seas. Why? Because it is in fact, like you put it so aptly, "Us vs Them". And I have said this before, and I will repeat it here. In PvE, "us" is us, and "them" are npcs. In PvP, "us" is us, and "them" are also us. And as we all know, npcs do not complaint. Proof -tric mines and faw with insane overcaps.
2. Part-time PvE folks, or part-time PvP folks, depending upon which one they lean towards more, enter pug queues. And this is where the term "kirking" shines into relevance. We have had this discussion many times in the forum before, there is even a recent one that you can go back and refer to. [Link]
Now, I am a part-time PvEer who comes from a decent sized PvE fleet. I have tried to get my fellow fleet mates to PvP with various degrees of results. I would like a team of my own very much, more than anything, but even I have never gone through that coaxing conversation that you put up there, neither have I come across an instance of a conversation like that happening ever. Either you live in a corner of STO where I have never visited, or that conversation happened entirely in your mind. Either way, it seems like if it did happen to you, it's an outlier. I haven't seen one even in the forums. And by chance, it did happen to you, you should stay a pole's length away from that particular player. If I was trying to get a friend to PvP, I would want to help them and teach them the ropes first, not goad them into doing something they do not want to do.
Btw, it is possible to beat a premade as a pug. Have done it before, and did one just a couple days ago. When eveybody in you team is dedicated to PvP, and on rare occasions, when the matchmaking gods seem to smile on you and you get just the right mix of careers in your team, and everybody knows and executes their roles perfectly, it seems even a premade can be broken by pugs. When it happens to you, it will leave you smiling.
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The voices of the scrub is loud and legion.
Seriously, read that, you'll get a kick out of (most) of it.
It's PvP, afterall, someone has to die. :P
it has nothing to do with some kind of sense of superiority i feel from being able to combo station powers best, its the entire feeling of fun there is to have from a good pvp match. there are plenty of ups and downs for pvpers, but these casuals arent getting anywhere near the highs they could be having. i really have no idea how this game retains any players with the quality of space combat vs npcs. it could be 10 times better, they have chosen to make it this way because of the casual player that will only eventually lose interest and move on.
total BS. this is that defeatist attitude im always talking about. all this tells me is that you dont know enough about sto mechanics. on the contrary, you can never know enough. theres almost nothing that cant be well countered, but that doesn't mean somethings out there dont suck the fun out of the room. imbalanced things that are introduced into the game are the problem, not knowing how to play.
im so tempted to post this link in one of those cringe worthy why dont you pvp? threads. those are nothing but thinly veiled hate and rage at pvp here, threads, or at least thats all they attract. if only this mental obstacle came with a block that prevents them from complaining about whatever it is they arent playing to win.
according to the link though, i guess most of us are scrubs to a degree, because we choose not to use certain things we feel are distasteful or cheap. part of that though is a concern that i'd be utterly ruining the fun of others, and driving people away, and thats the last thing i want to do. a win with such tools does not feel satisfying to me, and it can make what would have been a good fun lose feel very bitter. im play to win, but play to win and have fun, not play to win at all costs and at the expense of everyone around me. but fun requires being the very best i can be within my own set of rules. all with fairly off beat, but minmaxed to their potential builds. i can live with being a scrub, ive been called worse :P
It goes for a number of PvPers as well, people not willing to adapt (within reason) or who have an overly convoluted set of ideas of what is "ok" in PvP (I'm talking people who take it overboard, as opposed to players who might have a few particular hang ups - for example anything that is able to kill their "ultimate zombie cruiser" is labeled as "cheating").
I agree here (I'm guilty as well).
Although it is interesting to note how most of the really successful tournaments have an extremely small list of rules and "banned" items - most of these also tend to be some of the exceptions he names, things that clearly do have the potential to totally dominate the entire metagame.
Fleet Admiral Rylana - Fed Tac - U.S.S Wild Card - Tactical Miracle Worker Cruiser
Lifetime Subscriber since 2012 == 17,200 Accolades = RIP PvP and Vice Squad
Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
do youz now what make me angry,..
the most players use some brocken stuff.. but why ??
I dont now.. i find for myself that the best game/match is without any cheeZ or broken stuff..
like Yellowstone & co.
If anybody play without this BS we have more fun in the arena,.. thats it.
I wood like a fair match and no Cheez.. that the best for everyone.. i think.
Ig Dxxdavid
David
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im afraid you failed to make a point. that player got focused and hit by sci and CC abilities. it actually took longer for him to die then if those ships were just escorts hitting him with DHCs or multi FAW. the other team basically let that happen, because they apparently couldn't fight back at all. thats just due to the common skill imbalances from pug team to pug team.
behold the power of... not cheese, but teamwork
thats enough you guys.
this thread was about how we could come together against pvp trolling. how we can be our best. at whatever we like to do. pve or pvp....but we definitely shouldnt be swayed by the pvp trolls.
drunk, we've known each other for a long time man. ease up.
and deokkent, i read your posts all the time man. i know you have a tougher skin...
pvp is our endgame.
lets have fun kill bad guys.
-horizon
i was being quite serious. but i've also been a grumpy prick lately, and debating these days just ends up annoying me more and more lately. so often people's points of view are like the polar opposite of what, dare i say, is correct. its just a PITA to work back from that far away point.
You don't even need a bunch of keybinds - I use one good one.
Just like any PvP in any game, playing and learning, and playing and dying, and playing and learning some more, is the key to having fun.
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crusty,
i use like 5 keybinds on my tac.... and i never touch the mouse
1. alpha, tacfleet, crf2, crf2
2. rsp, gdf
3. tt1, tt1
4. epts1, epte1, omega3, delta1
5. he1, tss2
everything else is a one click on the numpad..... or....alt+numpad....
all of them are on the numpad.
i have 4 different power focus levels set to the square with home/end/pageup/pagedown/delete square.
i target teammates for tt with shift1234
i fire with the add key
i cycle targets with SPACEBAR................................ :O
i call shots with R....and steer wasd.....full limpulse at E
......numpad4 is down 1/4 impulse........numpad7 is up 1/4 impulse.......
anyway you fly it..... find your groove...
be it 1 key...or 5..... or 12!!!!!
be situational! be aware of your surroundings!
and have fun kill bad guys
edit: and yes.......keep playing, learn.....die a ton! isnt that how we all did it?
^ doin it right! mine are as advanced, it really is a huge benefit to be able to bang off a catagory of powers without clicking wile you turn the camera with the mouse. good , comprehensive binds are the number 1 thing i would sugest new or struggling players adopt.
rgr that drunk. my gf says if i could play the piano like i click this keyboard i'd be some kind of famous musician lol.
have fun kill bad guys
I do have a Naga mouse though.
Well edit that.... I do have my weapon bound... depending on build 1-4 fire keys for different weapons.
I only use one myself, its my G key which I use for assisting whoever the caller is, and its also my redistribute. So i just mash G constantly while clicking powers.
If im leading I mash G and click powers and try to target the one of opportunity. Personally I think reliance on keybinds to play is a crutch and takes a sense of skill out of the game, but thats not a slam to anyone that uses them.
Fleet Admiral Rylana - Fed Tac - U.S.S Wild Card - Tactical Miracle Worker Cruiser
Lifetime Subscriber since 2012 == 17,200 Accolades = RIP PvP and Vice Squad
Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
Space bar, it activates everything, just smash your head on it till you pass out. If your opponent passes out first, you win. This is a true test of skill.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
I was suprised of my Fleet Recon Sci Vessel's capability to keep up with Escorts and Birds of Prey in terms of damage dished, both on Ker'rat and Capture/Arena maps. Only irritating thing is that all my slow and hold effects seem to have absolutly no effects on them...
Only keybinds I use are Space and 1-6 + Ctrl-(1-6), everything else I click with the mouse.
I'll get right on that. Just as soon as it isn't a pain in the tuchus. Make it a tab in the game options menu, and I'm in, but I'll have none of this bush league, amateur hour TRIBBLE about chat commands and/or altering files in the game directory, only to find out it doesn't carry between alts. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: