I've also been contacted by a few people since I started this thread who agreed with me but suggested I don't bother replying anymore because the "internet bullies are going to drag you through the mud".
It's unfortunate that these forums are so populated with toxic individuals that many are intimidated to post or speak freely here.
Anyways, yes I really do think the resemblance is there.
For the sake of it, I can be honest here. Yeah, I think I can see what you can see here. The Ambassador was the last in the line to have a completely circular saucer, solidly obvious neck, tubular engineering section, and sorta tubular nacelles. I understand why this might hold some appeal for you. (For those of you that are wondering, scale up the Connie Refit and put them side to side. They ain't twins, but they're clearly first cousins, at least.)
And yes, there are some mean people on here. I'm sorry if my post came off as mean, I read all five pages, and felt like your replies were, well... rather thickheaded, and you were clinging to the one gun you had, what was what you wanted. Sure, a C-store Amby would mean more money in their pockets, and the ship is already there, just retired. Cryptic has said nothing about bringing it back. They like to drop hints when things are coming up, and NOTHING at all has been said that leads to a new Ambassador Class release.
Yes, there is a little bit of aggrivation involved in joining a fleet to get a ship, but at the same time, you're also getting a ship that's better than what you would get at the C-Store.
And , if you're willing to grind enough, you don't have to pay a dime for Fleet Ship Modules. I have one, and I didn't pay any IRL money for it. I also won it in a pretend auction, but still, you get my drift. There are ways, if you are resourceful. Maybe you could drop into NoP's trading channel, and talk to people. Maybe you can work out some labor in exchange for some FSMs.
Think of it this way. In the end, your devotion to the ship will show, how hard you worked for all your alts to have the Fleet Ambassador.
I don't even have an official job, barely ever get any money, but I managed to put enough together to get myself a Galaxy Dreadnought, a ship I've loved since I was very little!
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
As far as your stated reason of "It's a Connie-look-alike", no, I doubt it will be very popular, as so far, you're the only one that's stated that it has any resemblance to that class of ship (or it's refit version, the Enterprise class).
So your saying that if they replaced the Galaxy/Excelsior kind of nacell pylons with Constitution type pylons the Ambassador wouldn't look like the Constitution at all?
So your saying that if they replaced the Galaxy/Excelsior kind of nacell pylons with Constitution type pylons the Ambassador wouldn't look like the Constitution at all?
Yes I am. For one, the saucer isn't a thick edged saucer. More of a thin edged discus.
Two, The secondary hull looks far more like the Galaxy, than the anything before it.
Three, the nacelle struts have that 90 degree bend. TOS Constitution and TMP Enterprise class had straight struts. (TOS were angled to the side by about 30-45 degrees, the Enterprise class, had them also angled to the rear somewhat).
So altogether no, I see no real resemblance to either the TOS Constitution, or the TMP Enterprise class, other than they have a saucer, secondary hull, two struts, and two nacelles. And by that reasoning, one could say the Avenger is reminiscent of the Connie/Enterprise. Or the Vesta. or the Soveriegn, etc etc.
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As the Ambassador class (and the counterpart Kamarag class) ships have a "completely free" Tier 3 variant available via completion of the mission Temporal Ambassador and a Tier 5.5 "fleet" variant available for endgame use via the fleet store, I do not forsee Cryptic re-releasing the Tier 5 "9 console" variant at anytime in the near future...
Unlike the Oddessy, which only ever existed as T5 variants, initially awarded as an anniversary "event" ship, then was released as the (IIRC) first ever Tier 5.5 "fleet" grade ships in the special 3 pack bundle. Cryptic bent and placed the plain T5 variant in the fleet shipyard...
To the "Connie" lookalike group - I can sorta see comparisons between the Ambassador and the original Connie, the tubular secondary hull & nacelles along with the pure circular saucer. However, to make it not a pure Connie clone, they gave it the "compressed edge" disk and bent pylons off the Galaxy class.
As always, though, ship aesthetics are a matter of personal opinion, I've made it quite plain that I'd love to see a T5 grade Connie, even though as much as I argue it I understand that currently CBS says it ain't gonna happen. On that note, I've personally never been a fan of the "squished" design of both the Excelsior and the Galaxy, even though I firmly am a fan of the "Federation = circular saucer" design rules, I appreciate the angular Sovereign and Oddessy variants over the "squished" Excelsior and Galaxy...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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That is not the Connie. That is TMP Connie. The Connie is this. Whenever anyone mentions the Connie, people will believe it to be TOS Constitution not the Constitution Refit. So unless a person states TMP Connie or the Connie Refit, then people will always assume it is TOS Connie.
Fair enough. But the TMP connie looks very similar to the TOS connie. And I suspect most TOS connie fans would be happy with a T5 TMP connie too because of the close similarities. But I think the connies have already been written off by CBS long ago. That's why I didn't bother suggesting adding a T5 connie to the shop. Whereas the T5 "look-alike" is already in game (anniversary version and fleet version), which is why I was asking for adding it to the shop. Many cash shop ships are just variations of existing in-game ships.
I can sorta see comparisons between the Ambassador and the original Connie, the tubular secondary hull & nacelles along with the pure circular saucer. However, to make it not a pure Connie clone, they gave it the "compressed edge" disk and bent pylons off the Galaxy class.
^This. When I saw that ship, I had the feeling they took the Connie and made changes just to make it *not* a be connie clone.
BTW, thx for being like 1 of 2 or 3 people to reply to my thread and not try to take my head off!
For the sake of it, I can be honest here. Yeah, I think I can see what you can see here. The Ambassador was the last in the line to have a completely circular saucer, solidly obvious neck, tubular engineering section, and sorta tubular nacelles. I understand why this might hold some appeal for you. (For those of you that are wondering, scale up the Connie Refit and put them side to side. They ain't twins, but they're clearly first cousins, at least.)
Well nice to see someone else who's not afraid to say they see the similarities here.
And yes, there are some mean people on here. I'm sorry if my post came off as mean, I read all five pages, and felt like your replies were, well... rather thickheaded, and you were clinging to the one gun you had, what was what you wanted. Sure, a C-store Amby would mean more money in their pockets, and the ship is already there, just retired. Cryptic has said nothing about bringing it back. They like to drop hints when things are coming up, and NOTHING at all has been said that leads to a new Ambassador Class release.
Not sure I get this part. Yes, nothing has been said by Cryptic that they will add the ship to the shop. But that's why I was making the suggestion. I never claimed they were going to add it. I was asking them to consider adding this ship to the cash shop. (As they have done many times in the past where they add an existing in-game ship to the cash shop.)
Not sure I get this part. Yes, nothing has been said by Cryptic that they will add the ship to the shop. But that's why I was making the suggestion. I never claimed they were going to add it. I was asking them to consider adding this ship to the cash shop. (As they have done many times in the past where they add an existing in-game ship to the cash shop.)
Your reasoning may be different, but I'm willing to bet you aren't the first to make this request. It's been a while, and they still haven't yet... Maybe in a few years, when they think they need to revive interest in the Ambassador class.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
Fair enough. But the TMP connie looks very similar to the TOS connie. And I suspect most TOS connie fans would be happy with a T5 TMP connie too because of the close similarities. But I think the connies have already been written off by CBS long ago. That's why I didn't bother suggesting adding a T5 connie to the shop. Whereas the T5 "look-alike" is already in game (anniversary version and fleet version), which is why I was asking for adding it to the shop. Many cash shop ships are just variations of existing in-game ships.
There is the Fleet Escort Retrofit and the Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit, but there is no Fleet Cruiser Retrofit. The only logical reason for this is that the Constitution Refit is part of the Tier 2 Cruiser line up so Cryptic can't add this ship. Since we can assume Cryptic would add this ship if they could, then Cryptic must be under orders to not have a Tier 5 TMP Connie.
Your reasoning may be different, but I'm willing to bet you aren't the first to make this request. It's been a while, and they still haven't yet... Maybe in a few years, when they think they need to revive interest in the Ambassador class.
Yeah they may never add it, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Well from all the attacks I got, maybe it does hurt to ask haha! Anyways, this is just a suggestion post. Most games have a suggestion forum but I don't see one here. In fact I posted this on another forum and a mod moved it here.
There is the Fleet Escort Retrofit and the Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit, but there is no Fleet Cruiser Retrofit. The only logical reason for this is that the Constitution Refit is part of the Tier 2 Cruiser line up so Cryptic can't add this ship. Since we can assume Cryptic would add this ship if they could, then Cryptic must be under orders to not have a Tier 5 TMP Connie.
I didn't expect them to add the T5 TMP Connie, that's why I didn't bother asking for it.
You know, i could have SWORN i could go replay the temporal ambassador RIGHT now and get an ambassador......
the T3 version yes, but the T5 version is gone forever from the mission... placed in the fleet store for 200k fleet creds, and i believe a fleet retrofit version for 4 Modules. course, there might be no 200k cred version, i might be mixing it up for the anniversary Odyssey.
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For the sake of it, I can be honest here. Yeah, I think I can see what you can see here. The Ambassador was the last in the line to have a completely circular saucer, solidly obvious neck, tubular engineering section, and sorta tubular nacelles. I understand why this might hold some appeal for you. (For those of you that are wondering, scale up the Connie Refit and put them side to side. They ain't twins, but they're clearly first cousins, at least.)
And yes, there are some mean people on here. I'm sorry if my post came off as mean, I read all five pages, and felt like your replies were, well... rather thickheaded, and you were clinging to the one gun you had, what was what you wanted. Sure, a C-store Amby would mean more money in their pockets, and the ship is already there, just retired. Cryptic has said nothing about bringing it back. They like to drop hints when things are coming up, and NOTHING at all has been said that leads to a new Ambassador Class release.
Yes, there is a little bit of aggrivation involved in joining a fleet to get a ship, but at the same time, you're also getting a ship that's better than what you would get at the C-Store.
And , if you're willing to grind enough, you don't have to pay a dime for Fleet Ship Modules. I have one, and I didn't pay any IRL money for it. I also won it in a pretend auction, but still, you get my drift. There are ways, if you are resourceful. Maybe you could drop into NoP's trading channel, and talk to people. Maybe you can work out some labor in exchange for some FSMs.
Think of it this way. In the end, your devotion to the ship will show, how hard you worked for all your alts to have the Fleet Ambassador.
I don't even have an official job, barely ever get any money, but I managed to put enough together to get myself a Galaxy Dreadnought, a ship I've loved since I was very little!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
So your saying that if they replaced the Galaxy/Excelsior kind of nacell pylons with Constitution type pylons the Ambassador wouldn't look like the Constitution at all?
Yes I am. For one, the saucer isn't a thick edged saucer. More of a thin edged discus.
Two, The secondary hull looks far more like the Galaxy, than the anything before it.
Three, the nacelle struts have that 90 degree bend. TOS Constitution and TMP Enterprise class had straight struts. (TOS were angled to the side by about 30-45 degrees, the Enterprise class, had them also angled to the rear somewhat).
So altogether no, I see no real resemblance to either the TOS Constitution, or the TMP Enterprise class, other than they have a saucer, secondary hull, two struts, and two nacelles. And by that reasoning, one could say the Avenger is reminiscent of the Connie/Enterprise. Or the Vesta. or the Soveriegn, etc etc.
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Temperance Brennan, "A building"
As the Ambassador class (and the counterpart Kamarag class) ships have a "completely free" Tier 3 variant available via completion of the mission Temporal Ambassador and a Tier 5.5 "fleet" variant available for endgame use via the fleet store, I do not forsee Cryptic re-releasing the Tier 5 "9 console" variant at anytime in the near future...
Unlike the Oddessy, which only ever existed as T5 variants, initially awarded as an anniversary "event" ship, then was released as the (IIRC) first ever Tier 5.5 "fleet" grade ships in the special 3 pack bundle. Cryptic bent and placed the plain T5 variant in the fleet shipyard...
To the "Connie" lookalike group - I can sorta see comparisons between the Ambassador and the original Connie, the tubular secondary hull & nacelles along with the pure circular saucer. However, to make it not a pure Connie clone, they gave it the "compressed edge" disk and bent pylons off the Galaxy class.
As always, though, ship aesthetics are a matter of personal opinion, I've made it quite plain that I'd love to see a T5 grade Connie, even though as much as I argue it I understand that currently CBS says it ain't gonna happen. On that note, I've personally never been a fan of the "squished" design of both the Excelsior and the Galaxy, even though I firmly am a fan of the "Federation = circular saucer" design rules, I appreciate the angular Sovereign and Oddessy variants over the "squished" Excelsior and Galaxy...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Fair enough. But the TMP connie looks very similar to the TOS connie. And I suspect most TOS connie fans would be happy with a T5 TMP connie too because of the close similarities. But I think the connies have already been written off by CBS long ago. That's why I didn't bother suggesting adding a T5 connie to the shop. Whereas the T5 "look-alike" is already in game (anniversary version and fleet version), which is why I was asking for adding it to the shop. Many cash shop ships are just variations of existing in-game ships.
^This. When I saw that ship, I had the feeling they took the Connie and made changes just to make it *not* a be connie clone.
BTW, thx for being like 1 of 2 or 3 people to reply to my thread and not try to take my head off!
Well nice to see someone else who's not afraid to say they see the similarities here.
Not sure I get this part. Yes, nothing has been said by Cryptic that they will add the ship to the shop. But that's why I was making the suggestion. I never claimed they were going to add it. I was asking them to consider adding this ship to the cash shop. (As they have done many times in the past where they add an existing in-game ship to the cash shop.)
Your reasoning may be different, but I'm willing to bet you aren't the first to make this request. It's been a while, and they still haven't yet... Maybe in a few years, when they think they need to revive interest in the Ambassador class.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
There is the Fleet Escort Retrofit and the Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit, but there is no Fleet Cruiser Retrofit. The only logical reason for this is that the Constitution Refit is part of the Tier 2 Cruiser line up so Cryptic can't add this ship. Since we can assume Cryptic would add this ship if they could, then Cryptic must be under orders to not have a Tier 5 TMP Connie.
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Yeah they may never add it, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Well from all the attacks I got, maybe it does hurt to ask haha! Anyways, this is just a suggestion post. Most games have a suggestion forum but I don't see one here. In fact I posted this on another forum and a mod moved it here.
I didn't expect them to add the T5 TMP Connie, that's why I didn't bother asking for it.
It's T3. There's also a T1 connie and a T2 TMP connie already in game. This post is about T5 as the title says.
the T3 version yes, but the T5 version is gone forever from the mission... placed in the fleet store for 200k fleet creds, and i believe a fleet retrofit version for 4 Modules. course, there might be no 200k cred version, i might be mixing it up for the anniversary Odyssey.