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  • wraithshadow13wraithshadow13 Member Posts: 1,728 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    cuatela wrote: »
    Yeah, it'd be a shame if Starfleet actually designed and used a weapon that would be effective against the Borg.

    I mean, it's not like the Path to 2409 repeatedly talks about MACO's using TR-116's, or their being standard-issue on all ships after the last Borg incursion. And it's not like the replicator pattern was accessible by any Starfleet officer.


    Oh wait... all of that was true. But that's what happens when "game balance" is more important than canon.

    If game balance was really important, then how do you explain THE REST OF THE GAME!!!!


    Seriously though, you're right. I honestly have no clue why they haven't made this the omega rep gun, or some reward for missions like colosseum, where you've been forced to fight in a dampening field. It's a popular gun, yet Cryptic has repeatedly ignored the want for it, as well as a clear point that it would be great for a rep reward. It would be nice to get a rework to a more canon appearance for it, but even then, i'm sure people wouldn't mind a more updated look.

    Personally, had i known at the time that most of the pre-order exclusives were anything but, i would have went to target since the Borg officers were added to the store a month or two later. As it stands, how different is it really to have that in the game, than it is to have people out dps weapons with their melee? I've dropkicked a T-rex for 2093 damage, yet i can't have a gun that was built for kinetic damage?

    If they did add it, they could even use the ammo bar like the Flamethrower has. It would be an interesting balance mechanic to have finite ammo, that needs to be recharged so you're not blasting away.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    starswordc wrote: »
    Explain why they never tried to adapt to Undine claws. Explain why even the mightiest deflector shield, regardless of faction, is completely helpless against ramming.

    Star Trek shields have an extremely strong pattern of being bad at blocking kinetic energy, and if the Borg could adapt to it they would've done it already for exactly the reason you cite: the odds that they never assimilated a species which uses firearms are frankly astronomical. Thing is, the Borg are also quite willing to bombard from orbit when necessary. I envision them smashing **** up from orbit and then zerg-rushing. Individual drones and even individual ships mean nothing to them.

    issue here is how a species thinks and operates, humans have developed machine guns on earth with the materials we have, but there are thousands of other races that may have never developed machine guns with crude chemical reactants or even have these matierials, the borg do not assimilate history, they assimilate information in the present, however that data is still stored for use if needed and continues to be stored for as long as the borg have that knowledge. before this, they likely have no clue about kinetic projectile weapons fired from a chemical reaction in a rifled barrel at high speed with spin.

    Projectile weapons may in fact be so crude technologically the borg drones are not equipped to deal with this type of weapon at all since most races use energy based weapons. when the borg develop their armour it's designed specifically against energy weapons, stun for example without a shield has no effect on the drone so in that respect it can handle this type of attack. the same with their shields, they are designed to stop energy based weapons on any frequency.
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  • themariethemarie Member Posts: 1,055 Arc User
    edited December 2013

    Projectile weapons may in fact be so crude technologically the borg drones are not equipped to deal with this type of weapon at all since most races use energy based weapons. when the borg develop their armour it's designed specifically against energy weapons, stun for example without a shield has no effect on the drone so in that respect it can handle this type of attack. the same with their shields, they are designed to stop energy based weapons on any frequency.


    And again... in thousands of years of Borg... across vast light-years and even TIME itself... no one has ever though to dust off a General Electric 30mm Gatling Gun and rip the Borg Armada to pieces? How could the entire galaxy be so ******n stupid? :D
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Projectile weapons may in fact be so crude technologically the borg drones are not equipped to deal with this type of weapon at all since most races use energy based weapons. when the borg develop their armour it's designed specifically against energy weapons, stun for example without a shield has no effect on the drone so in that respect it can handle this type of attack. the same with their shields, they are designed to stop energy based weapons on any frequency.

    If you do a little research into the American Civil War, you might notice that at a few of the first battles, some soldiers arrived on the field wearing full plate armor much like the knights of the middle ages. This was despite the fact that plate armor had ceased being used since the early to mid 1700s. The American Revolution was fought WITHOUT plate armor.

    Why? Because such armor actually makes injury from bullets and shrapnel WORSE, especially when the armor itself can create the shrapnel. Modern armors today don't stop bullets or shrapnel, but seek to dissipate the energy of a projectile so that it is survivable rather than fatal.

    I don't know what kind of materials Borg armor would use. I do think the idea of archaic plate armor for drones is rather ignorant.
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  • yuki109yuki109 Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    themarie wrote: »
    And again... in thousands of years of Borg... across vast light-years and even TIME itself... no one has ever though to dust off a General Electric 30mm Gatling Gun and rip the Borg Armada to pieces? How could the entire galaxy be so ******n stupid? :D

    Tommy gun works against borg also

    Maybe you didn't notice but Bullets take a lot longer to make than energy beams
    they use more material too

    AND because your ammo isn't energy the ammo is A LOT Heavier
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    davidwford wrote: »
    If you do a little research into the American Civil War, you might notice that at a few of the first battles, some soldiers arrived on the field wearing full plate armor much like the knights of the middle ages. This was despite the fact that plate armor had ceased being used since the early to mid 1700s. The American Revolution was fought WITHOUT plate armor.

    Why? Because such armor actually makes injury from bullets and shrapnel WORSE, especially when the armor itself can create the shrapnel. Modern armors today don't stop bullets or shrapnel, but seek to dissipate the energy of a projectile so that it is survivable rather than fatal.

    I don't know what kind of materials Borg armor would use. I do think the idea of archaic plate armor for drones is rather ignorant.

    this again depends how a species operates. again projectile weapons are not widely used in this timeline. why would the borg resort to building armour that deflects projectile weapons and then let themselves get shot at, at every direction with energy weapons? what the borg do not assimilate they can not understand. so yes ignorant, but only until the borg assimilate a person using projectile weapons and then the borg can adapt to these in addition to energy weapons. need to think of it from a borg point of view, not a human point of view.
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    this again depends how a species operates. again projectile weapons are not widely used in this timeline. why would the borg resort to building armour that deflects projectile weapons and then let themselves get shot at, at every direction with energy weapons? what the borg do not assimilate they can not understand. so yes ignorant, but only until the borg assimilate a person using projectile weapons and then the borg can adapt to these in addition to energy weapons. need to think of it from a borg point of view, not a human point of view.

    I did, and I think you missed MY point entirely.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    davidwford wrote: »
    I did, and I think you missed MY point entirely.

    not sure how i missed the point, projectile weapons are rare in 2375-2409 where energy weapons are common, borg only adapt to what they can assimilate.

    as for the american? civil war (europeans at war overseas between some silly ideal like anyways, but i digress). thats from a completely different period of time, and remember that borg are not "americans" fighting over some silly ideal wearing something like that just because they can, the borg wear it because it works until it doesnt and then they wait for an answer through assimilation.

    edit: lets assume the americans are borg, they wear the same stuff and have the same weapons, powerful people. lets introduce the confederates to the mix, and something like the 21st century americans, the borg confederates can only use what they got and completely unawares of better tech. they attack the 21st americans and loose. the 21st americans attack back and the borg confederates loose ground until a supply shipment was intercepted and 21st americans were interrogated as to what that body kevlar armour is and the very accurate weapons do. the confederates use this kit then push the 21st americans back until more and more shipments begin and end up with the borg american confederates. now consider, the confederates could not adapt to 21st tech at first and with their plate armour. but after getting some of this stuff, they learned and adapted to its use, thus they became something.

    exactly as a borg would think.
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  • solemkofsolemkof Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    not sure how i missed the point,
    I think the point was that Borg wouldn't try to stop bullets with armor plating anyway.

    I would agree that the Borg see no reason to build bullet-proof drones:
    1. superior numbers - enemies will run out of bullets before the collective runs out of drones
    2. regenerative abilities - regular drones can probably function with, and recover from, many bullet holes
    3. disregard for individual lives - the collective will sacrifice thousands of drones as long as the gain outweighs the losses
    4. significance - species who use crude projectile weapons are usually too primitive for assimilation
    5. nuke it from orbit - if more drones is not enough or its perceived as threat, they can just resort to orbital bombardment
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    solemkof wrote: »
    I think the point was that Borg wouldn't try to stop bullets with armor plating anyway.

    I would agree that the Borg see no reason to build bullet-proof drones:
    1. superior numbers - enemies will run out of bullets before the collective runs out of drones
    2. regenerative abilities - regular drones can probably function with, and recover from, many bullet holes
    3. disregard for individual lives - the collective will sacrifice thousands of drones as long as the gain outweighs the losses
    4. significance - species who use crude projectile weapons are usually too primitive for assimilation
    5. nuke it from orbit - if more drones is not enough or its perceived as threat, they can just resort to orbital bombardment

    Points 1, 2, and 3 make my point exactly.
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    not sure how i missed the point, projectile weapons are rare in 2375-2409 where energy weapons are common, borg only adapt to what they can assimilate.

    as for the american? civil war (europeans at war overseas between some silly ideal like anyways, but i digress). thats from a completely different period of time, and remember that borg are not "americans" fighting over some silly ideal wearing something like that just because they can, the borg wear it because it works until it doesnt and then they wait for an answer through assimilation.

    edit: lets assume the americans are borg, they wear the same stuff and have the same weapons, powerful people. lets introduce the confederates to the mix, and something like the 21st century americans, the borg confederates can only use what they got and completely unawares of better tech. they attack the 21st americans and loose. the 21st americans attack back and the borg confederates loose ground until a supply shipment was intercepted and 21st americans were interrogated as to what that body kevlar armour is and the very accurate weapons do. the confederates use this kit then push the 21st americans back until more and more shipments begin and end up with the borg american confederates. now consider, the confederates could not adapt to 21st tech at first and with their plate armour. but after getting some of this stuff, they learned and adapted to its use, thus they became something.

    exactly as a borg would think.

    You do NOT want to engage me in a discussion on how silly Americans are compared to Europe. Fighting over a silly idea? Hasn't Europe done that every other decade until the close of WW2? The only reason why Europe isn't in another war is because America keeps the peace.

    I will stop there, though I could go on.
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