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orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
edited December 2013 in Fleet System and Holdings
The mirror universe. We've not done much in it. The old incursion we used to use to get skill points. A few episode missions here and there. A sector space encounter. And of course the new queue mission. But that's about it. But why not a fleet holding?

The fleet holding exclusive items are easy to do. Terran empire and Klingon/Cardassian alliance DOFFs. New mirror costume unlocks(cause let's face it, the only mirror costume parts available are Fed-only, and 200-300 years out-of-date). Hell, we could even get fleet-tier mirror ships.

No idea where it would be located though, aside of course from in the mirror universe itself.

What does everyone else think?

Edit: Here's what I think the fleet mirror ship stats would look like:

Fleet Mirror Universe Patrol Escort
BOFF Stations: Ensign Tactical, Lieutenant Tactical, Commander Tactical, Lieutenant Commander Engineering, Lieutenant Science
Consoles: XXXXX TRIBBLE XX
Hull Strength: 34,100
Shield Strength: 5,178 (Mk X)
I.S.S. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Hephaestus class + fleet mirror hull material
Ability to equip Multi-Vector Assault Module

Fleet Mirror Universe Advanced Escort Refit
BOFF Stations: Commander Tactical, Lieutenant Engineering, Lieutenant Commander Science, Lieutenant Commander Universal
Consoles: XXXXX XX TRIBBLE
Hull Strength: 34,100
Shield Strength: 5,173 (Mk X)
I.S.S. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Maelstrom class + fleet mirror hull material
Ability to equip Nadeon Saturation Bomb

Fleet Mirror Universe Star Cruiser Refit
BOFF Stations: Lieutenant Engineering, Commander Engineering, Ensign Science, Lieutenant Commander Science, Lieutenant Universal
Consoles: XX XXXX XXXX
Hull Strength: 42,900
Shield Strength: 5,473 (Mk X)
I.S.S. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Imperial class + fleet mirror hull material
Ability to equip Metreon Gas Canisters

Fleet Mirror Universe Assault Cruiser
BOFF Stations: Ensign Tactical, Lieutenant Tactical, Lieutenant Commander Engineering, Commander Engineering, Lieutenant Science
Consoles: XXXX XXXX XX
Hull Strength: 42,900
Shield Strength: 5,748 (Mk X)
I.S.S. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Nomad class + fleet mirror hull material

Fleet Mirror Universe Reconnaissance Science Vessel
BOFF Stations: Ensign Tactical, Lieutenant Tactical, Lieutenant Engineering, Lieutenant Commander Science, Commander Science
Consoles: TRIBBLE XX XXXXX
Hull Strength: 31,350
Shield Strength: 7,472 (Mk X)
I.S.S. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Nimbus class + fleet mirror hull material

Fleet Mirror Universe Deep Space Science Vessel
BOFF Stations: Lieutenant Tactical, Ensign Engineering, Lieutenant Engineering, Lieutenant Commander Science, Commander Science
Consoles: XX XXXX XXXX
Hull Strength: 29,700
Shield Strength: 7,472 (Mk X)
I.S.S. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Comet class + fleet mirror hull material

Fleet Mirror Universe Deep Space Science Vessel
BOFF Stations: Lieutenant Tactical, Warrior Engineering, Lieutenant Engineering, Lieutenant Commander Science, Commander Science
Consoles: XX XXXX XXXX
Hull Strength: 29,700
Shield Strength: 7,472 (Mk X)
I.S.S. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Comet class + fleet mirror hull material

Fleet Mirror Universe Qin Heavy Raptor
BOFF Stations: Lieutenant Commander Tactical, Commander Tactical, Warrior Engineering, Lieutenant Engineering, Lieutenant Science
Consoles: XXXXX TRIBBLE XX
Hull Strength: 36,300
Shield Strength: 4,807 (Mk X)
A.K.S. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Fleet mirror hull material

Fleet Mirror Universe Tor'Kaht Battle Cruiser
BOFF Stations: Warrior Engineering, Commander Engineering, Lieutenant Science, Lieutenant Commander Science, Lieutenant Universal
Consoles: TRIBBLE XXXX TRIBBLE
Hull Strength: 39,600
Shield Strength: 5,748 (Mk X)
A.K.S. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Tor'Kaht class + fleet mirror hull material

Fleet Mirror Universe Vo'Quv Dreadnought Carrier
BOFF Stations: Lieutenant Commander Tactical, Lieutenant Commander Engineering, Lieutenant Engineering, Commander Science
Consoles: XX XXXX XXXX
Hull Strength: 46,200
Shield Strength: 5,748 (Mk X)
A.K.S. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Fleet mirror hull material

Fleet Mirror Universe Ha'feh Assault Warbird
BOFF Stations: Subcommander Tactical, Lieutenant Engineering, Citizen Science, Lieutenant Science, Centurian Universal
Consoles: XXXXX XX TRIBBLE
Hull Strength: 34,100
Shield Strength: 5,173 (Mk X)
A.R.W. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Fleet mirror hull material

Fleet Mirror Universe Ha'apax Advanced Warbird
BOFF Stations: Lieutenant Tactical, Subcommander Engineering, Citizen Science, Lieutenant Science, Centurian Universal
Consoles: XX XXXXX TRIBBLE
Hull Strength: 44,000
Shield Strength: 6,009 (Mk X)
A.R.W. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Fleet mirror hull material

Fleet Mirror Universe Ha'nom Guardian Warbird
BOFF Stations: Lieutenant Tactical, Citizen Engineering, Lieutenant Engineering, Centurian Science, Subcommander Science
Consoles: XX TRIBBLE XXXXX
Hull Strength: 33,000
Shield Strength: 7,472 (Mk X)
A.R.W. prefix name option
Bonus Skin: Fleet mirror hull material

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    mynameisnommynameisnom Member Posts: 639 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Whats the point. Mirror weapons? Opposite colors? :-D
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    mynameisnom wrote: »
    Whats the point. Mirror weapons? Opposite colors? :-D
    Well all of the stuff I listed in the OP. Opposite colors, sure. Or were you talking about the fleet ships? They do have different console layouts and all. Mirror Advanced Escort. Mirror Star Scruiser. Mirror Vo'quv...

    Not sure how mirror weapons would work...
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    azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Eh, I personally don't want to see any new Fleet holdings for a long time. Unless Cryptic starts helping small fleets and somehow help out Klingon Fleets since the PvE queue is dead.
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    a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Not Sure How Mirror Weapons Would Work...

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    zordar01zordar01 Member Posts: 318
    edited November 2013
    Whatever the next fleet update is it should include a fleet sponsorship project that large fleets (T4+?) can complete to generate a token that reduces fleet project requirements of any one starbase/holding in perpetuity, with the amount of the discount dependent on fleet membership. The more members the fleet has the lower the discount, but no less than 5%, with the actual value changing as fleet membership changes.

    The sponsorship token should be able to be sold for marks, doffs, dilithium, etc., maybe in an additional tab in the dilithium exchange window.

    This would also be a good way for high-tier fleets to sell or trade shipyard access without people needing to leave/join fleets.
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    ^ I think that smaller fleets should get some support first.

    Sure yet another holding is kinda the complete opposite of that, but I'm sure something could be done about it.
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    schneemann83schneemann83 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    mynameisnom wrote: »
    Whats the point. Mirror weapons? Opposite colors? :-D

    Mirror Fleet Elite Phasers would obviously have the resistance debuff, while Elite Disruptors would have the shieldheal proc.
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    jetwtfjetwtf Member Posts: 1,207
    edited November 2013
    orangeitis wrote: »
    ^ I think that smaller fleets should get some support first.

    Sure yet another holding is kinda the complete opposite of that, but I'm sure something could be done about it.

    reduced costs of all fleet holdings across the board to what the embassy and starbase was when that was the only holdings. Basicly all holding at T0 with 4 holding and the starbase cost as much as the embassy and starbase. then as new holdings are added the costs to projects decrease to match.

    Make all Rep cost a single token for the 2k project and nothing else. double rep use the same single token for 4k. reduce the cost to stockpile tokens from marks everytime new rep is added.

    Next holding.. I dont care, just have good stuff to unlock making it worth the time and effort. but we are running short on items a holding can carry that will not make rep obsolete or a rep version making the holding obsolete. So i suggest hybrid weapons like phased polarons or whatever in a fleet version. Then hybrid consoles that have sci and engineering or engineering and tac.
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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Yeah, cause a whole universe clearly isn't enough to expand the game in. :rolleyes:
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Editted the first post.
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    ceekayzeroceekayzero Member Posts: 411 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    orangeitis wrote: »
    The mirror universe. We've not done much in it. The incursion to use to get skill points. A few episode missions here and there. A sector space encounter. That's about it. But why not a fleet holding?

    The fleet holding exclusive items are easy to do. Terran empire and Klingon/Cardassian alliance DOFFs. New mirror costume unlocks(cause let's face it, the only mirror costume parts available are Fed-only, and 200-300 years out-of-date). Hell, we could even get fleet-tier mirror ships.

    No idea where it would be located though, aside of course from in the mirror universe itself.

    What does everyone else think?

    I'm down with this, so long as we get a Mirror Tor'khat. This way, I can finally have the AKS tu'Bat.
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    hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I'd rather see something like a colony or trading post that utilizes GPL more as a currency. Introduce more ways to obtain and spend GPL. Maybe even dive a bit into the black markets of the galaxy for more unique items, particulalry space and ground devices. :P
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    ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited November 2013
    Yeesh - bad ideas.

    Mirror Fleet ships - yes IF they are only available to fleet members. The whole value of fleet ships is that they are hard to get, and have to be worked for.

    Fleet Sponsorship Tokens - hell no. Working to build your fleet takes effort. Giving smaller fleets a pass isnt' fair to those of us who've worked HARD to achieve them.

    How about:
    1. Personal Fleet Holdings: Apartments, storage facilities (bank extensions), more trading slots on the exchange.
    2. Kit Manufacturer: Customs kits, 5 slots
    3. Weapons Research Lab: Customize existing weapons, 10% increase, color and effect control
    4. FM Converter: Convert fleet marks to credits at a reduced rate

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    tancrediivtancrediiv Member Posts: 728 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    The next fleet holding should be The Mudd Consortium Unclaimed Lockbox Emporium.

    Millions of unopened lock boxes exist in the galaxy. Completion of this fleet project opens access all those amazing ships, packs, doffs, consumables, holo novels, Tal Shiar codes, doff packs, Tuffli's, D'Kora's, Suliban Cell ships, Jem Bug ships, etc you can no longer get and we only have to buy in and buy them.
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    rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I can't find it but I made a thread about kind of the same thing. Klingon/Cardassian alliance mini faction with a MU outpost as the next holding.

    I like the idea
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    edited November 2013
    What if instead of being a construction project, it was an infiltration holding.

    You beam to the MU version of your Fleet Starbase and, through projects, slowly take control.
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    xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    From a "lore" perspective, I don't like the idea.
    Don't get me wrong. Mirror Universe is fun and I would like the storyline to be expanded - but let's face it: if we get a Mirror Universe Fleet Holding, we will get a Mirror Universe Season, too.
    And that means that we don't get something else - and there are many things more important at this point then the Mirror Universe.

    Actually, I am already a bit afraid of our coming excursion to the Delta Quadrant.
    The known space it at all out war at how many fronts now? 9? 10? I lost count.
    Now we are randomly expanding into a Dyson Sphere (a construct which equals all worlds of the Federation, Romulans and Klingons combined... and then multiplied a few hundred thousand times. It's really that big.
    Okay, okay, Omega. I got that.
    But... seriously, the Federation, Klingons and Romulans are stretched thin to no end.
    Next comes the DQ proper... and then we should expand military operations into a different universe??

    Star Trek needs a lot suspension of disbelief.
    I just made my peace with the dinosaurs... but hell... it's only going that far.
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    elemberq333elemberq333 Member Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I would much rather that they brought in a liberated Borg faction with the story behind the TNG episode that introduced Hugh. And possibly if they could manage it get Jeri Ryan to do some VO and bring her character Seven of Nine to STO. That would be far more awesome...
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    thegalaxy31thegalaxy31 Member Posts: 1,211 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Even I'm getting tired of fleet holdings, Cryptic, please no more fleet holdings until Season 9/Legacy Of <Insert Faction Name (IF they add another faction, which I think is coming in "Season 10" IF they add another faction, basically LOR 2.0 and probably the whole half-faction thing going on.)
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    elemberq333 wrote: »
    I would much rather that they brought in a liberated Borg faction with the story behind the TNG episode that introduced Hugh. And possibly if they could manage it get Jeri Ryan to do some VO and bring her character Seven of Nine to STO. That would be far more awesome...
    But liberated Borg aren't allied together, they rejoin their original faction after leaving the collective.
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    rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    orangeitis wrote: »
    The mirror universe. We've not done much in it. The incursion to use to get skill points. A few episode missions here and there. A sector space encounter. That's about it. But why not a fleet holding?

    The fleet holding exclusive items are easy to do. Terran empire and Klingon/Cardassian alliance DOFFs. New mirror costume unlocks(cause let's face it, the only mirror costume parts available are Fed-only, and 200-300 years out-of-date). Hell, we could even get fleet-tier mirror ships.

    No idea where it would be located though, aside of course from in the mirror universe itself.

    Well, as for location, i think there's a no-brainer ingame.

    The Aenigma Nebula.

    We already know its temporally loose, as it were. Why not dimensionally loose too?

    Have a rift open up in the space map of the nebula that acts as a portal between the two universes.

    Obviously a joint task force of sorts will sit on that rift, possibly setting up an additional sentry station to watch over things and respond if necessary.

    The current Aenigma station can be off limits to all except veterans, just let the space map be open.

    The fleet holding can be a module on the sentry station.

    As for the fleet holding rewards, I agree with things like MU constume unlocks but think ships may be a bit op.

    Perhaps open up a fleet holding store with access to the whole range of current MU ships maybe.

    Where I'd like to see this holding focus is on devices and batteries, rather than consoles, ships or weapons.

    There's a clear dearth of devices in the game. There are a few, but they're rare.

    Batteries are ubiquitous and come in many flavours.

    Thing about an MU holding is that they are, in many ways, the same as us. Tech, as such, wont be that different.

    However, a difference in philosophical approach could mean a greater use of devices and a different approach to batteries.

    What if batteries didnt boost power to a system, instead boosting a specific set of skills?

    Seems to me the MU is an ideal place to expand some of the lesser relied upon game mechanisms.
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    flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I don't really want to see any more fleet holdings. I think we've got enough of a grind as it is. Why the hell would any of us want more? Very few fleets have maxed out as it is. As per your Terran Empire Ships:
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Fleet Mirror Patrol Escort
    BOFF Stations: Ensign Tactical, Lieutenant Tactical, Commander Tactical, Lieutenant Commander Engineering, Lieutenant Science

    Fleet Mirror Advanced Escort
    BOFF Stations: Lieutenant Commander Tactical, Commander Tactical, Lieutenant Engineering, Lieutenant Science, Ensign Universal

    Fleet Mirror Star Cruiser
    BOFF Stations: Lieutenant Engineering, Commander Engineering, Ensign Science, Lieutenant Commander Science, Lieutenant Universal

    Fleet Mirror Assault Cruiser
    BOFF Stations: Ensign Tactical, Lieutenant Tactical, Lieutenant Commander Engineering, Commander Engineering, Lieutenant Science

    Fleet Mirror Reconnaissance Science Vessel
    BOFF Stations: Ensign Tactical, Lieutenant Tactical, Lieutenant Engineering, Lieutenant Commander Science, Commander Science

    Fleet Mirror Deep Space Science Vessel
    BOFF Stations: Lieutenant Tactical, Ensign Engineering, Lieutenant Engineering, Lieutenant Commander Science, Commander Science
    These would need to all be different from the start. It still amazes me that there is virtually no difference with a standard Star Cruiser and a Fleet Star Cruiser (yet there is with an Assault Cruiser). The Fleet Star Cruiser should come with a Lt. Cmd Science and an Ensign Science (reflecting that of the Assault Cruiser).

    Edit: Ignore the above. I didn't read your Star Cruiser correctly.
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Added fleet mirror KDF and Rom ships to the OP~

    Edit: @ darthmeow504: the mirror Adv escort is like the prime universe patrol escort and vice-versa. That's why I didn't include the 5 tac consoles. Aside from one console, I think the prime universe Fleet Patrol Escort has what you're looking for.
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    rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    ceekayzero wrote: »
    I'm down with this, so long as we get a Mirror Tor'khat. This way, I can finally have the AKS tu'Bat.

    LOL i see what you did there
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    ...I don't get it.
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    willdaviesalpha1willdaviesalpha1 Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Say it out loud, oks-too-bat.
    Get it?
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    lincolninspacelincolninspace Member Posts: 1,843 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Risian resort holding with customizable party condos!
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    lincolninspacelincolninspace Member Posts: 1,843 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    orangeitis wrote: »
    But liberated Borg aren't allied together, they rejoin their original faction after leaving the collective.

    There was a VOY episode where they created their own mini collective yet retained their individuality.
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