There IS a non-corporate Star Trek series that is considered canon, but it is not this one. And no, CBS doesn't hold and has not licensed them, as they were made before Trek was sold off to CBS. Majel Barret Roddenberry herself signed off on the project, provided that they make no money from it, charged no money for viewing the episodes, and stayed true to the vision Gene had with TOS. George Takei, as well as a few other guest stars from various episodes, have come back to participate in some of the episodes.
There IS a non-corporate Star Trek series that is considered canon, but it is not this one. And no, CBS doesn't hold and has not licensed them, as they were made before Trek was sold off to CBS. Majel Barret Roddenberry herself signed off on the project, provided that they make no money from it, charged no money for viewing the episodes, and stayed true to the vision Gene had with TOS. George Takei, as well as a few other guest stars from various episodes, have come back to participate in some of the episodes.
James Cawley, who plays Kirk, was also onscreen as a cameo in the first JJ Trek movie.
Considered canon by who? The Star Trek Court of Canon Law?
CBS is tolerant of fan-made material. But that's not a free license to do whatever you want. They have rules and stipulations on how they allow the Star Trek IP to be used, and for the most part they don't intervene.
If they don't intervene, great. But that doesn't mean that the fan-produced material is considered canon. They were going to film "He Walked Among Us", but CBS claimed ownership over the material and so that episode was never made. So they can intervene if and when they want.
CBS Studios decides what's canon and what is not. Fan-made material is not canon, unless owned (and cited) by CBS.
Majel had no say in what was and wasn't canon when New Voyages was started. Just because CBS didn't own Star Trek didn't mean she did - before CBS it was Viacom. Before Viacom it was Paramount. Before Paramount it was Desilu. Gene's and later Majel's influence on canon during their lives was largely a matter of respect - for example, of the many things Gene wanted struck from canon, none were ever officially removed, but were quietly ignored and forgotten by writers. This is doubly true of Majel, but even Gene's creative control was shaky, especially after TOS. He had to fight hard for many of the changes he wanted made, and he lost quite a few fights, too.
Majel's approval of New Voyages is no different than CBS's "approval" of this production. It doesn't make them authorized, licensed, canon, or for that matter unambiguously legal. It makes them tolerated, which with fan works of any type is generally about the best you can actually hope for. It's certainly a great deal better than many IP holders like Nintendo which periodically attempt to scour the internet clean of fan works.
Anything Fan made is NOT canon, but then again we have to go into the logistics of what the term Canon is? It is many times loosely tossed around and I would figure there must be some grounds in place for anything Star Trek related to be canon.
Some argue that if Gene was directly involved it's automatically considered canon, others may argue if there was an official production show, it too is automatically placed as canon etc...
Star Trek Phase II has very good episodes and its totally free to view - there is no profit made from it other than fan donations.
Star Trek Continues will probably have to work along the same lines as a non-profit fan team.
In regards to Fan Film and CBS Relations, Continues, Phase II, and Potemkin were all handed letters in what they can or cannot have by the CBS Legal dept. A member of Phase II posts on the TrekBBS forums and relayed it to us (fans).
Oh for the love of pete, they introduced the technology as being new and experimental in the episode. Scottie walked right through the cowboy hologram. We have that technology *today*, why couldn't they have it on a Connie?
I suppose they lost the technology in TMP?
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Who cares if it is canon of not, it was fun to watch and that is all that matters to me. I thought the cast was very good, though in the other short Vignettes the actor who plays McCoy is different then the full episode.
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Actually, that depends on how you view Star Trek: The Animated Series (from 1973-74). CBS has also been more lenient with this series inclusion in TOS canon of late too (IE the GR edict de-canonizing it seems to have been lifted.)
I bing all this up because the TASS episode: The Practical Joker (link) did in fact show the 1701 Connie with a working Holodeck.
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I'm not sure but I think food synthesizers also had a less complex way of making food. IE they din't rearrange matter on the molecular level, they simply reshaped it.
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Actually, that depends on how you view Star Trek: The Animated Series (from 1973-74). CBS has also been more lenient with this series inclusion in TOS canon of late too (IE the GR edict de-canonizing it seems to have been lifted.)
I bing all this up because the TASS episode: The Practical Joker (link) did in fact show the 1701 Connie with a working Holodeck.
The best part of that episode is the Kirk is a Jerk Uniform
As it stands all aired series, (except The Animated Series) and all movies are canon
Actually, the animated series is canon as of a few years ago; when I bought my brother the DVD box set, in the sleeve notes is a statement from CBS Paramount (as it was known then) explaining that after years of being in the grey area, the animated series was now officially recognised as part of the Trek canon.
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thats what it says at the bottom of their page in the quot.e
in the bold text is clear that they do not have license rights to star trek in any way and CBS could just as easily shut these people down. since they have no license it can't be trek canon as CBS hasn't said a word on the matter and they are the ones who determines what is canon in trek.
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Several pages of whining about things being canon, so few people seem to have actually watched the episode : it rocks :P
You do all realise that by the same definitions, STO isnt canon at all? so wtf are we doing here playing it...
Just because a current corporate license holder hasnt declared something ' 100% official omg this is what really happen with kirk and the gang dudes ' it is of no use to you?
Look at what CBS/Paramount have done with the 'canon' license these last few years : attempt to run it into the ground for as many easy bucks as possible
Several pages of whining about things being canon, so few people seem to have actually watched the episode : it rocks :P
You do all realise that by the same definitions, STO isnt canon at all? so wtf are we doing here playing it...
Just because a current corporate license holder hasnt declared something ' 100% official omg this is what really happen with kirk and the gang dudes ' it is of no use to you?
Look at what CBS/Paramount have done with the 'canon' license these last few years : attempt to run it into the ground for as many easy bucks as possible
cbs has given cryptic the license rights to run the game but cryptic are on a dog leech and they have to abide any decisions cbs imposes on them. although sto isnt anything canon, it does have a license to run the game.
that fan series the op mentions has no such license so it is actually more or less illegal, but luckily they don't get any money from the people otherwise it would of been unforgivable.
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cbs has given cryptic the license rights to run the game but cryptic are on a dog leech and they have to abide any decisions cbs imposes on them. although sto isnt anything canon, it does have a license to run the game.
that fan series the op mentions has no such license so it is actually more or less illegal, but luckily they don't get any money from the people otherwise it would of been unforgivable.
CBS is openly letting people make and sell Star Trek merchandise at CafePress. They've given fans the ability to straight-up profit off the license, its imagery, and its trademarks, so long as the fans avoid actor likeness.
Several pages of whining about things being canon, so few people seem to have actually watched the episode : it rocks :P
Personally, I think it's the weakest fan production I've seen. I don't have a high opinion of New Voyages, but this was at best on par with their worst espisodes.
You do all realise that by the same definitions, STO isnt canon at all? so wtf are we doing here playing it...
Just because a current corporate license holder hasnt declared something ' 100% official omg this is what really happen with kirk and the gang dudes ' it is of no use to you?
The question posed by the OP:
1. Are these storylines canon - i.e. do they fall under the license Cryptic holds.
2. Will (or can) Cryptic account for these storylines
(technically the OP only posed 2, they answered 1 while providing a link to proof their answer is wrong)
This is "wtf we are playing at." We're answering the OP's questions. These are not questions of quality, of worth, of legality. STO's status, novels' status, other fan productions' status, CBS's actions, Gene and Majel's statements are all irrelevant to those two questions. These aren't questions of any of the irrelevant points you and others are trying to make. These are *really easy* questions, and the answers are simply "no."
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Their website is here.
James Cawley, who plays Kirk, was also onscreen as a cameo in the first JJ Trek movie.
He is too short for command, Starfleet has regs about that.
Considered canon by who? The Star Trek Court of Canon Law?
CBS is tolerant of fan-made material. But that's not a free license to do whatever you want. They have rules and stipulations on how they allow the Star Trek IP to be used, and for the most part they don't intervene.
If they don't intervene, great. But that doesn't mean that the fan-produced material is considered canon. They were going to film "He Walked Among Us", but CBS claimed ownership over the material and so that episode was never made. So they can intervene if and when they want.
CBS Studios decides what's canon and what is not. Fan-made material is not canon, unless owned (and cited) by CBS.
Majel's approval of New Voyages is no different than CBS's "approval" of this production. It doesn't make them authorized, licensed, canon, or for that matter unambiguously legal. It makes them tolerated, which with fan works of any type is generally about the best you can actually hope for. It's certainly a great deal better than many IP holders like Nintendo which periodically attempt to scour the internet clean of fan works.
Some argue that if Gene was directly involved it's automatically considered canon, others may argue if there was an official production show, it too is automatically placed as canon etc...
Star Trek Phase II has very good episodes and its totally free to view - there is no profit made from it other than fan donations.
Star Trek Continues will probably have to work along the same lines as a non-profit fan team.
The biggest no-no, is no NuTrek fan films.
I suppose they lost the technology in TMP?
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Actually, that depends on how you view Star Trek: The Animated Series (from 1973-74). CBS has also been more lenient with this series inclusion in TOS canon of late too (IE the GR edict de-canonizing it seems to have been lifted.)
I bing all this up because the TASS episode: The Practical Joker (link) did in fact show the 1701 Connie with a working Holodeck.
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Fixed that for you :P
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
The best part of that episode is the Kirk is a Jerk Uniform
Actually, the animated series is canon as of a few years ago; when I bought my brother the DVD box set, in the sleeve notes is a statement from CBS Paramount (as it was known then) explaining that after years of being in the grey area, the animated series was now officially recognised as part of the Trek canon.
thats what it says at the bottom of their page in the quot.e
in the bold text is clear that they do not have license rights to star trek in any way and CBS could just as easily shut these people down. since they have no license it can't be trek canon as CBS hasn't said a word on the matter and they are the ones who determines what is canon in trek.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
You do all realise that by the same definitions, STO isnt canon at all? so wtf are we doing here playing it...
Just because a current corporate license holder hasnt declared something ' 100% official omg this is what really happen with kirk and the gang dudes ' it is of no use to you?
Look at what CBS/Paramount have done with the 'canon' license these last few years : attempt to run it into the ground for as many easy bucks as possible
cbs has given cryptic the license rights to run the game but cryptic are on a dog leech and they have to abide any decisions cbs imposes on them. although sto isnt anything canon, it does have a license to run the game.
that fan series the op mentions has no such license so it is actually more or less illegal, but luckily they don't get any money from the people otherwise it would of been unforgivable.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
CBS is openly letting people make and sell Star Trek merchandise at CafePress. They've given fans the ability to straight-up profit off the license, its imagery, and its trademarks, so long as the fans avoid actor likeness.
You can literally create this and sell it for profit: http://www.cafepress.com/+star_trek_new_mousepad,642828204
There is also a very long history of fan-fiction in all mediums that CBS/Paramount have tolerated.
And if you think that there is tremendous oversight by CBS, I present Dino with Lasers.
The question posed by the OP:
1. Are these storylines canon - i.e. do they fall under the license Cryptic holds.
2. Will (or can) Cryptic account for these storylines
(technically the OP only posed 2, they answered 1 while providing a link to proof their answer is wrong)
This is "wtf we are playing at." We're answering the OP's questions. These are not questions of quality, of worth, of legality. STO's status, novels' status, other fan productions' status, CBS's actions, Gene and Majel's statements are all irrelevant to those two questions. These aren't questions of any of the irrelevant points you and others are trying to make. These are *really easy* questions, and the answers are simply "no."