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Scimitar Needs A Survivalibilty Buff
warchief551
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I'll just get it out of the way and you guys are gonna hate me, yes I have the 5 DHC and the 3 Turrets on the slow turning Scimitar, sue me I just like it. Apart from the stupid prongs the cannon fire comes from, I dislike 1 thing about my beautiful Scimitar, and it is this, the damn thing is a glass cannon and it's just wrong. This thing was a monster in 'Nemesis' and now it's just a big, slow moving, class cannon and I think it needs a little buff to it's survivability, the thing can't take a hit to it's shields or hull no matter what is firing on it, and it's not just my build, I've seen that thing get ripped apart in every PvE match with any one who is flying it, a borg sphere just looks at and the front shields drop. I have the MACO set on it right now and my level 30 with green shields can survive 50x longer then that thing. I don't need the forum to swarm on me for thinking my build is out of whack because it isn't, no matter who is flying I've always seen that thing die so fast. Her resistances are TRIBBLE, it's shields are paper thin, and no matter how much hull I get her up to, she just melts. I know this game favors escorts compared to deservedly stronger, bigger ships. If you don't agree this game doesn't favor engineers, I'll ask you this, where is the Temporal Cruiser, I don't care if the Wells was in the show, the Mobius wasn't, they favor tactical and sometimes science toons. I'm just saying, give the Scimitar pack a nice buff to it's survivability, I paid too much money for this giant glass cannon when she was this unstoppable, "rip the Valdore in half in a few shots" giant warbird in the movie. Remember devs, "She's a predator". You guys made the thing into a big butterfly that shoots carebear farts. Again, I'm not asking you to make OP, I just want the thing to have a much bigger chance of survival.
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I almost never die with it but i want more defence, dps, shields & turn-rate.
Or you are doing something wrong... yes for the shield i need to use epts, the valdore console ( http://sto.gamepedia.com/Console_-_Universal_-_Shield_Absorptive_Frequency_Generator ) & [Console - Universal - Secondary Shields].
For the hull i use he & et.. This is how i stay alive.
If they give me the thing i want the ship will be op..
is this console on the exchange?
I've managed to fly right in front of the capital group in the Tholian Red Alert and survive, personally destroying at least one Tarantula and dealing massive damage to the others. When they manage to take me out, I'm usually doing something stupid like trying to fire my Thalaron Pulse after using Cannon: Scatter Volley and Torpedo Spread without first activating Secondary Shields or Level 5 Quantum Absorption.
She's a beast, all right. The thing you've got to consider about her is the thing that MADE her a predator in Nemesis: the secondary shields and the ability to fire AND keep those shields up while cloaked.
Yes, they do. Weapons power drain.
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If anything the scim needs a huge nerf to some aspect of it.
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Only insomuch as some of the console specific bonuses are just ridiculous (cloaked shielding, cloaked turn rate while under ambush buff, etc.) and are regarded as more "mandatory" than most other gimmick ship-specific consoles. Combine that with people's unwillingness to give up DPS potential for survivability and you've got a situation where the Scimitar is often flown (unwisely) without the kinds of defensive options that most other ships take as mandatory equipment.
The scimitar is the most optimal
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I stand by my first statement.
Just lol dude...i think you should but your build up on the forums and get looked at.
Pretty much everyone gives helpful tips, but know this...you won't get any empathy from anyone if you think your build isn't the problem,but it's the ship's...
Just...bah
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No, you have to by the C-Store Vladore T3 Mogai refit for 1000Z to get it. Highly recommended even at that cost.
Borg console(+5 wep power), and then either the Kinetic Cutting Beam or Omega torp for a two-piece proc that gives more power to weapons and reduces weapon draw. Also, the new Thoron Infused cores reduce power drain, both internal and external.
Also, Plasmonic Leech can offset weapon firing drain, as well as giving you extra power to shields engines and aux as you fire for more survivability. If you're Fed allied, you need the cross-faction box with it in for tens of millions of EC from the Exchange for it. If you're KDF allied it's on the Vandal Destroyer C-Store ship for 1000Z. Expensive, but well worth it.
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Reason being? You're abrasive, obnoxious, and just complaining. Now if you asked for help, that would be a different story, since there are dozens of Scimitar captains on the forums who have Scimitars that survive quite well, and also remove faces with ease. There are HUNDREDS of them in-game, so you can always ask there too.
Now if you're having issues keeping your Scimi alive, here are some easy tips:
1) Run two copies of EPtS1. You have a Lt Engi and an Ens Universal. If you really really REALLY want to put your LtCmdr to Tactical, just put your Ens to Engineering and run two EPtS1. It will greatly boost your survivability in that aspect.
2) Have a copy of Hazard Emitters. Trust me, it will keep you alive quite nicely and is good for it's cleanse and rather large heal over time.
3) DO NOT TRY TO STAND AND FIGHT. This is especially true of the Tactical Scimitar. USE HIT AND FADE. You have one of the most epic battlecloaks in the game. You decloak, slap your target silly, and then re-cloak. You ever see Shinzon stand toe to toe with his targets? He only did it once, and that was AFTER the two Mogais were down.
4) This is the most important part of all. If what you're doing ISN'T WORKING, TRY SOMETHING ELSE. Don't blame it on the ship, take partial responsibility at least beforehand. Change things up. Change up your build, change up your tactics, change up your abilities. Do all that first. Then ask for help. If all of those fail, THEN you can blame the ship.
Like was dahminus said, put your build up and what tactics you use. Then we'll do what we can to help. Just don't blame a damage dealing face removing blatantly obnoxiously insanely powerful monster of a ship for failing. Believe me, I run a tac scimitar on a tac captain with it's LtCmdr to tactical, and I still don't have much issue staying alive, if any at all... shame the same cannot be said for my elite drones, they seem to die stupidly fast... -.-
Personally I would say the opposite. I have the 3-pack but by now I have removed all 3 special consoles. I use the scimitar (the 5tac consoles version with 5 dmg consoles in these slots) on 3 romulan toons. An eng, a sci and a tac.
The special consoles can be nice in pvp but I find them rather pointless in pve. I do not cloak during a battle anyway and the secondary shield is not good enough for a console slot.
And I have no problems surviving.
I mean, seriously. You have 40k hull and 1.1 shield mod. That thing is tanky.
(of course not as tanky as an oddy)
But thats just my personal opinion
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The Scimitar is easily one of the best ships in the game. Its still very survivable with its 2/3/5 console setup as it has 40K hull and the 1.1 shield Modifier. Just fill one of those 2 Eng slots with some Neutronium for more survivablilty (Fleet one with the +Turn is nice)
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Rather than just leaving it at that, here are some specific issues:
1) The Scimitar takes more heat than most ships.
See, the Scimitar has a 5/3 weapon layout with 5 tactical consoles. That means you can generate a *ton* of aggro, probably more than you are used to unless you came straight from a bug ship or fleet escort.
You can combat this in the following ways:
* Use a better build. That means post your build here, let someone help you. If you have not done that yet, you have absolutely no room to complain, period.
* More expensive gear helps.
As a lot of folks have mentioned, the Valdore console is total easy mode. I hardly ever even need EPtS or TT in normal PvE play since picking one up, and it has really made eSTF content simpler.
You also want the Assimilated Deflector and Engine for the hull heal bonus. Mk X or XI is good enough, and that should only take a couple days of hard grinding.
You probably also want a Plasmonic Leech, and I wouldn't bother piloting a Scimitar without either an Elite Fleet Resilient Shield or (if I couldn't get good fleet gear), a MACO resilient. (The Dyson shield might be an acceptable substitute, haven't really looked.) Note that the Plasmonic and MACO shield do not stack.
If you are having trouble, you should definitely not be using a drop or exchange shield. I cannot emphasize this enough.
* Pre-buff.
If you're flying a cruiser, you can usually get away with waiting to take damage before you drop a shield heal. Flying a more DPS oriented ship means you shouldn't do that - you should take advantage of the extra +resist that EPtS offers, and just hit it before going on an attack run.
* Use your cloaking device.
Seriously, learn to disengage from a fight that's going badly. Your Singularity Distributor Unit allows you to maintain shields while cloaked, and Cloaked Barrage allows you to *heal* while cloaked for 15 seconds. You can break off from combat and bounce back more easily than anything but a T'varo.
* Use your singularity powers.
Quantum Absorption is amazing, just for a start.
2) The Scimitar has a funny relationship with inertia.
You have probably noticed that the Scimitar has trouble coming to a stop. Rather than getting frustrated with it, or fighting at a standstill all the time, learn to powerslide. (That is, you aim off to the side of an enemy, hit full impulse. Get some momentum going, cut all thrust, swing sideways to face your enemy and decloak. You can skid right past them, guns blazing. This is pretty much the only way to go if you're using DHCs.)
3) The Thalaron pulse weapon makes you completely helpless for a loooooong time.
Most of my early Scimitar deaths, (growing pains as I learned to use the ship), came from trying to use the Thalaron pulse.
The solution to this is simple: don't bother. If you absolutely, positively feel the need to use the pulse, use your Secondary Shields first. (You might also consider dropping Tactical Team or EPtS too.)
... and that's way more thought that I should've put into this, so I'm going to end by repeating:
If you have not posted your build, don't bother complaining. We can't help you, and the devs absolutely should not buff this ship.