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Is the STO storyline officially considered canon?

therealfluffytherealfluffy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
I've noticed for a long time that memory-alpha have a lot of references to the STO storyline. Since memory-alpha are focused on Star Trek canon, can someone from Cryptic or CBS confirm that the storyline in STO is to be officially considered canon and something any future movie or television series would have to take into account?
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  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I don't consider memory alpha to me canon as some of it may be incorrect asfter all it is a wiki.Wiki's aren't accurate.
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  • jjprizejjprize Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Of course not. If CBS decides to make a new Trek series following the events of Nemesis, they can completely disregard STO's story if they want to. Or, they can go with the main points and just disregard whatever elements dont fit with the story they want to tell. Either way, canon is only whatever shows up on the TV show or movies.
  • ladymyajhaladymyajha Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I've noticed for a long time that memory-alpha have a lot of references to the STO storyline. Since memory-alpha are focused on Star Trek canon, can someone from Cryptic or CBS confirm that the storyline in STO is to be officially considered canon and something any future movie or television series would have to take into account?

    No STO isn't canon. Parts of it may be concidered canon in the future if and when CBS decides to make another series, but until then it's not all canon, and what they may concider canon today can change at CBS's whim, if and when they decide to make a new series.

    heck, to prove my point, what was canon in TOS and TNG became non-canonical in Enterprise.
  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Although Memory Alpha does list STO in certain articles, it's always listed under "apocrypha" which basically means non-canon.
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  • kirksplatkirksplat Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Yes, STO is absolutely canon. In fact, there is talk of a spin-off TV series about a Federation captain who pilots a Borg cube, mindlessly at war with the entire universe in between magically transforming a locked safe into a huge starship. Replicator technology has really advanced.

    The plot of the show promises to be action-packed.

    The pilot script is titled "Tokens, Grow!" with a follow-up of "Transaction at Farpoint."
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Ahahahahahahahahahah

    Sorry......

    You serious? :P :D:D

    Oh God, I'm sorry I just can't.....:D

    Bwwaahahahahahahaahah

    Ok....settle down.....whooosaaaah....whoooosaaah....
    I need to go out an grab some fresh air now.
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  • therealfluffytherealfluffy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    My confusion was founded in the fact that non-canon content is handled by memory-beta but I just read memory-alpha's Content Policy more closely and it can be interpreted as to allow content from other sources than movie and television and in some cases consider it canon and in some cases not. I'm still slightly confused though...
  • aaronh42aaronh42 Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I've noticed for a long time that memory-alpha have a lot of references to the STO storyline. Since memory-alpha are focused on Star Trek canon, can someone from Cryptic or CBS confirm that the storyline in STO is to be officially considered canon and something any future movie or television series would have to take into account?

    Generally speaking Memory-Alpha has two section, the cannon section which is built from on screen events and only on screen events, and then the Apocrypha section that sites non cannon sources.
  • darthstormstrikedarthstormstrike Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    lan451 wrote: »
    Although Memory Alpha does list STO in certain articles, it's always listed under "apocrypha" which basically means non-canon.

    THIS.

    Apparently the OP has no idea what apocrypha means to even post this thread.
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  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    jjprize wrote: »
    Of course not. If CBS decides to make a new Trek series following the events of Nemesis, they can completely disregard STO's story if they want to. Or, they can go with the main points and just disregard whatever elements dont fit with the story they want to tell. Either way, canon is only whatever shows up on the TV show or movies.

    If CBS did make another Trek series it would follow JJs Trek.I would prefer after ST6.
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  • alexmakepeacealexmakepeace Member Posts: 10,633 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kirksplat wrote: »
    The plot of the show promises to be action-packed.

    Don't you mean "transaction packed?" :D

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  • therealfluffytherealfluffy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    THIS.

    Apparently the OP has no idea what apocrypha means to even post this thread.
    That is correct. I'm a non native English speaker and I don't know the meaning of this word. Feel free to explain it to me.
  • jjprizejjprize Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    age03 wrote: »
    If CBS did make another Trek series it would follow JJs Trek.I would prefer after ST6.

    Not necessarily. The Star Trek rights were split between CBS and Paramount. CBS owns everything that came before ST09, while Paramount owns ST09 and any future films. So CBS only has the rights to make a TV series set in the "prime" timeline. Thats not to say they could not negotiate a deal with Paramount to set it in the JJ-verse, but it would probably cut a huge chunk out of their profits.
  • alexmakepeacealexmakepeace Member Posts: 10,633 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    That is correct. I'm a non native English speaker and I don't know the meaning of this word. Feel free to explain it to me.

    Apocrypha: "Apocrypha are statements or claims that are of dubious authenticity... It is commonly applied in Christian religious contexts involving certain disagreements about biblical canonicity."

    (Wait, it's canonicity and not canoninity? Huh.)
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I've noticed for a long time that memory-alpha have a lot of references to the STO storyline. Since memory-alpha are focused on Star Trek canon, can someone from Cryptic or CBS confirm that the storyline in STO is to be officially considered canon and something any future movie or television series would have to take into account?

    BAD FLUFFY! /swats with rolled up newspaper

    We know that STO isn't canon! Now go back to accolade grinding on your alts!
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Just saying here, guys. According to Gene Roddenberry himself, who stated that only the TV shows and movies are canon, the Abrams movies are more canon than STO.

    Do we REALLY want to care what's "canon" or not...?
  • jjprizejjprize Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Do we REALLY want to care what's "canon" or not...?

    A silly question with an obvious answer: the OP obviously does, or else he would not have asked.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,458 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Just saying here, guys. According to Gene Roddenberry himself, who stated that only the TV shows and movies are canon, the Abrams movies are more canon than STO.

    Do we REALLY want to care what's "canon" or not...?
    Well, Gene later disavowed all the movies after The Motionless Picture - apparently, action and conflict weren't supposed to happen in his vision of Star Trek...
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    Well, Gene later disavowed all the movies after The Motionless Picture - apparently, action and conflict weren't supposed to happen in his vision of Star Trek...

    He also disavowed a good chunk of TOS and all of TAS except certain elements of Yesteryear, too. He flip flopped on STV, since he'd pushed so long to get Kirk and God face to face (all the way back to TOS itself) that he really didn't want to write it out of existence, but he was always solid on Sybok not existing.

    Honestly, Roddenberry did more off-screen retconning with Star Trek than DC did with Hal Jordan in the 90's. Regardless of where you draw the line between canon and apocrypha, Roddenberry makes a poor authority to cite.
  • jjprizejjprize Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    Well, Gene later disavowed all the movies after The Motionless Picture - apparently, action and conflict weren't supposed to happen in his vision of Star Trek...

    All due respect and all, but I dont really care about what he said. All that matters as far as canon goes is what was actually filmed and put on TV or in theaters. Those things are Trek, not what people say in interviews in the "real world".
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    STO canon? LOL

    Books have more canon status than sto.....
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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited November 2013
    Oh dear God I hope not. We all need to take a shower when it is all over and we have a new Trek series. Sadly it will probably be just another Heroes ripoff with perfectly attractive 20-something people in charge.

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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I consider STO to be canon, but not in the same universe as the TV shows and movies. Essentially, there are 4 different universes, the Prime universe where any future TV shows and movies will take place in, the novel universe where some how the Borg are no longer around and an organization similar to the Federation exists as the Typhon Pact, the STO universe, and the JJ universe. The Mirror universe seems to have a different one for each of the main 4 universes. Babylon 5, Star Wars, and Battlestar Galactica could all be considered as canon due to there being multiple realities in Star Trek.

    Of course, the only universe that is considered as Official Canon is the Prime Universe.
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited November 2013
    Wait ... you are saying B5 and Star Wars are now canon. Buahahahaha ... sorry that was rude. Let me rephrase.

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    starkaos wrote: »
    ... The Mirror universe seems to have a different one for each of the main 4 universes. Babylon 5, Star Wars, and Battlestar Galactica could all be considered as canon due to there being multiple realities in Star Trek.

    Of course, the only universe that is considered as Official Canon is the Prime Universe.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    Wait ... you are saying B5 and Star Wars are now canon. Buahahahaha ... sorry that was rude. Let me rephrase.

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    There are millions of different realities so obviously there is a universe with beings with various powers that are fighting with energy swords. There is also a universe somewhere that has a couple of ancient races fighting a battle for millions of years by using younger races as pawns. There is also a universe somewhere that has a guy that lives for thousands of years that rides around in a blue box across space and time that always picks up people from a specific race. Star Trek allows countless different stories from countless different realities possible.
  • ladymyajhaladymyajha Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    Wait ... you are saying B5 and Star Wars are now canon. Buahahahaha ... sorry that was rude. Let me rephrase.

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ^ Infinity

    Maybe he resides in a Mirror Universe where this is true. You never know.
  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kirksplat wrote: »
    Yes, STO is absolutely canon. In fact, there is talk of a spin-off TV series about a Federation captain who pilots a Borg cube, mindlessly at war with the entire universe in between magically transforming a locked safe into a huge starship. Replicator technology has really advanced.

    The plot of the show promises to be action-packed.

    The pilot script is titled "Tokens, Grow!" with a follow-up of "Transaction at Farpoint."

    Still a better pilot than one set in the JJverse.
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  • alan171717alan171717 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kirksplat wrote: »
    Yes, STO is absolutely canon. In fact, there is talk of a spin-off TV series about a Federation captain who pilots a Borg cube, mindlessly at war with the entire universe in between magically transforming a locked safe into a huge starship. Replicator technology has really advanced.

    The plot of the show promises to be action-packed.

    The pilot script is titled "Tokens, Grow!" with a follow-up of "Transaction at Farpoint."

    I would watch it, that is the sad thing
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    ladymyajha wrote: »
    Maybe he resides in a Mirror Universe where this is true. You never know.

    Actually in the Mirror Universe, Hello Kitty and Survivor are canon for Star Trek. This actually causes the Mirror Universe of the 21st Century to turn into the Mirror Universe of the 22nd Century.
  • roxbadroxbad Member Posts: 695
    edited November 2013
    I've noticed for a long time that memory-alpha have a lot of references to the STO storyline. Since memory-alpha are focused on Star Trek canon, can someone from Cryptic or CBS confirm that the storyline in STO is to be officially considered canon and something any future movie or television series would have to take into account?

    Why would they start now?
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