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kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
I know that they'll probably never do this, but with the game flooded with Carriers these days, the missing one in my book would be a Temporal Carrier.

If you have them, it could be equipped with the Manheim Device and Tipler Cylinder and could also come with a third unique console that works with the other two.

It could launch Aeon Time Shuttles, with Subatomic Deflector Arrays and actually, if not a third console, then having those two also gives the Shuttles the same abilities...Temporal Backstep, etc.

Klingon, Tholian, Jem'Hadar, now the Obelisk...and a Temporal Carrier would be a great edition.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    They might not exist anymore. The 29th Century could have made Point Defense Consoles with a 10 seconds cooldown so fighters and shuttles are just eliminated too quickly to be of any use in combat. Would be cool to have though, but I just don't see it happening.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    last thing i want to see is a Mannheim device creating a blue time bubble freezing all enemies in place to be destroyed and the player being free to do what he or she likes. this isnt STA :P.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,897 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Me, I love carriers, and I'm sure some people on the forums have seen me admit that multiple times.

    Between the Obelisk and the upcoming Voth FDC, I think we're doing okay on fighter launchers for the moment.
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  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    For me it's just frustrating. I've stuck to the Mobius for months, because I love the abilities and I've put together a great build...but whenever you take on a carrier, it's not a one-on-one fight, because all you end up doing is dealing with its pets. If I could have my cake and eat it too...a Temporal Carrier, my pets could deal with someone else's and I could go after the other Carrier. Tholians, Jem'hadar...they get own, but why not the Temporal :rolleyes:
  • twamtwam Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kayajay wrote: »
    but whenever you take on a carrier, it's not a one-on-one fight, because all you end up doing is dealing with its pets.

    I suggest going after the carrier directly, with everything you got. When the carrier's a burning hulk in space the pets will disappear too.
  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    The 29th Century could have made Point Defense Consoles with a 10 seconds cooldown so fighters and shuttles are just eliminated too quickly to be of any use in combat.

    or you could argue that by the 29th century, they'd have developed fighters and shuttles that have shield systems making them near-invulnerable or EW systems who make it impossible for point-defense systems to hit or track them :)

    since their tech and background hasn't been established, you can make up things both ways. :)
    We just got our "temporal" carrier. The Obelisk is a carrier from the distant past. Time travel goes both ways.

    Since my sandwhich was made 15 minutes ago, the near or recent past so to say, it's a "temporal sandwich" by that definition?. :D
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    We just got our "temporal" carrier. The Obelisk is a carrier from the distant past. Time travel goes both ways.

    Fine, mister literal. :P
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I'd rather see Romulans get a Temporal Shuttle. We have Science Vessel and Destroyer, but Shuttle remains specific to KDF and Fed. Where's the Romulan Temporal Shuttle?
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    protogoth wrote: »
    I'd rather see Romulans get a Temporal Shuttle. We have Science Vessel and Destroyer, but Shuttle remains specific to KDF and Fed. Where's the Romulan Temporal Shuttle?

    +1 to this! Not having it created for the RR is just some lazy work.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    But what would it even be?


    Besides, it's not like the shuttles sell or anything. :rolleyes:
  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    We just got our "temporal" carrier. The Obelisk is a carrier from the distant past. Time travel goes both ways.

    Now, if you could install any Universal Console (and I mean absolutely ANY Console) into the Obelisk, I'd be happy :D
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I would assume a Temporal Carrier would (and likely will) be introduced in a Krenim lockbox as a Krenim ship.

    I'll go ahead and predict a Temporal Core (Lobi, included with the Krenim ship or otherwise, pro0vides some degree of immunity from temporal effects and an offensive attack) and that the Krenim ship gets all the timeship bonuses/gear.

    Probably some kind of special chroniton torpedos in the box as well (my guess would be a chroniton/transphasic hybrid projectile given that the Krenim had chronitons with shield penetration) and more chroniton energy weapons based on the Lobi set weapon, which would be antiproton weapons with a chroniton projectile based proc. (I'd predict chroniton cannons and such here.)

    There are some other options for temporal ships though.

    I could see a Temporal Cruiser or Temporal Flight Deck Cruiser (with Aeon pet) based on the Destroyer/Science Vessel designs. Probably a Lobi item.

    I could also see that TARDIS-like timeship from Enterprise (bigger on the inside and timed as a tribute to Doctor Who by the Enterprise folks, in an episode released on Doctor Who's anniversary). Probably as a DOFF pack reward freighter ship that also functions as a shuttle.

    Maybe Berlinghoff Rasmussen's timepod.
  • talajtalaj Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Since my sandwhich was made 15 minutes ago, the near or recent past so to say, it's a "temporal sandwich" by that definition?. :D

    I'm now thinking about starting up a Trek-themed cafe.

    Temporal sammiches.
    Transphasic cupcakes.
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  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I would assume a Temporal Carrier would (and likely will) be introduced in a Krenim lockbox as a Krenim ship.

    I've got to say...I would love that. To be honest, I'd much rather we were getting the Krenim than the Voth in Season Eight. The Voth were one episode, but the Kremin a cliffhanger and with much wider scope if they're eradicating species.

    Are we actually going to get a Kremin Lock Box though? When the Pastak appeared in "Temporal Ambassador", I thought that might be a prelude to more from the 29th Century.

    The "Weapon Ship" in Red Alert...Chroniton Flux Torpedoes that you'd need a special console or slot to stop from passing directly through your shields...
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kayajay wrote: »
    I've got to say...I would love that. To be honest, I'd much rather we were getting the Krenim than the Voth in Season Eight. The Voth were one episode, but the Kremin a cliffhanger and with much wider scope if they're eradicating species.

    Are we actually going to get a Kremin Lock Box though? When the Pastak appeared in "Temporal Ambassador", I thought that might be a prelude to more from the 29th Century.

    The "Weapon Ship" in Red Alert...Chroniton Flux Torpedoes that you'd need a special console or slot to stop from passing directly through your shields...

    Well... They're doing a big Krenim push at some point, likely next year. The Elachi and Voth both got ockboxes with their rollout so it seems likely and extra likely with the focus on warp cores of late. The Krenim ship used a Temporal Core.

    Since the timeships in Trek ALSO had Temporal Cores, I'd imagine that a Krenim lockbox ship would be classed as a Timeship, would get the Timeship set bonuses and boosts, and that its T-Core would work on the Wells/Mobius/etc.

    Chroniton beams (antiproton with an adjusted chroniton proc) makes sense for the beam weapons.

    I suspect for balance reasons that the projectiles would be Chroniton Torpedos that sacrifice about 20% of their damage and one modifier in exchange for 40% shield penetration. Or maybe if Cryptic is feeling generous, no modifier loss and the damage penalty would be considered enough.

    If I were designing this, I'd probably have missions or rep award Temporal Displacement Drive (Engines), Temporal Shields, and Temporal deflector as an item set that can be upgraded with Lobi similar to the Jem'Hadar set.

    And some variation on the timeships that act as flight deck cruisers with Aeon/Rozhenko shuttles in the hangar slots, utilizing Chroniton beam and Transphasic Chroniton torpedo attacks.

    I'd imagine the content itself would probably involve teaming with Walker from Temporal Ambassador against Temporal Cold War Guy, who is probably a Romulan trying to bring back Romulus, and the Krenim and Na'kuhl. Since the Iconians built or tapped into the Dyson Sphere, the makers of the sphere are probably the Sphere Builders. Maybe a Battle of Procyon V adventure zone with the Enterprise-J as starbase-like fixture. (The interior and exterior could be the season adventure zone, with Krenim and Na'kuhl boarding parties taking over large chunks of the ship.)
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I'd imagine the content itself would probably involve teaming with Walker from Temporal Ambassador against Temporal Cold War Guy, who is probably a Romulan trying to bring back Romulus, and the Krenim and Na'kuhl. Since the Iconians built or tapped into the Dyson Sphere, the makers of the sphere are probably the Sphere Builders. Maybe a Battle of Procyon V adventure zone with the Enterprise-J as starbase-like fixture. (The interior and exterior could be the season adventure zone, with Krenim and Na'kuhl boarding parties taking over large chunks of the ship.)

    The Sphere Builders were from a completely different dimension and were trying to convert our dimension into one that they could live in. They also seemed to have been only active recently. There is also the issue that the timeline where the Battle of Procyon was eliminated.

    It seems like the Solanogen aliens from Schism are the more likely suspect for who created the Dyson Sphere. The Dyson Sphere, Obelisk Carrier, and the Sphere of Influence location all have the same style. There is also the SOLANae and SOLANogen connection. So there is two likely scenarios, this style is either the Iconian style or Solanogen style. So it is possible that the Solanogen aliens that created the Dyson Sphere were conquered by the Iconians are forced into subspace and eventually evolve so that they require solanogen to survive. Who knows how many Servitor races were forced by the Iconians into Subspace for whatever purpose.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    starkaos wrote: »
    The Sphere Builders were from a completely different dimension and were trying to convert our dimension into one that they could live in. They also seemed to have been only active recently. There is also the issue that the timeline where the Battle of Procyon was eliminated.

    It seems like the Solanogen aliens from Schism are the more likely suspect for who created the Dyson Sphere. The Dyson Sphere, Obelisk Carrier, and the Sphere of Influence location all have the same style. There is also the SOLANae and SOLANogen connection. So there is two likely scenarios, this style is either the Iconian style or Solanogen style. So it is possible that the Solanogen aliens that created the Dyson Sphere were conquered by the Iconians are forced into subspace and eventually evolve so that they require solanogen to survive. Who knows how many Servitor races were forced by the Iconians into Subspace for whatever purpose.

    Right. And the Solonae could be the Sphere Builders. They live in another dimension. They build spheres. The Omega Particles could be an attempt to disrupt subspace so that they can return.
  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I always thought you could make the Krenim visually scary...the could have eradicated another species that altered their genome and physical appearance.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Right. And the Solonae could be the Sphere Builders. They live in another dimension. They build spheres. The Omega Particles could be an attempt to disrupt subspace so that they can return.

    The look of the Sphere Builders and Solanogen aliens are too different to be the same race. Also, even though they are called Sphere Builders, the Spheres are just the size of a moon not the size of a Dyson Sphere. There is also the issue that the Dyson Sphere is extremely old while the Sphere Builders were only active for about a few thousand years. There is also the problem that the Solanogen aliens only reacted to a subspace experiment and would have not needed to abduct humans for experimentation if they already encountered them in the 22nd Century and experimented on humans then. Therefore, the Solanogen aliens and Sphere Builders are completely different races.
  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    When Omega equipment appeared in the Reputation System, I thought it was "Omega Particle" related, so it was a little confusing and anticlimactic. Now they're really going for Omega, but will be get harmonic chambers that add power and abilities to our ships?

    Temporal Cores, an Omega-something or other...there should be more equipment slots, including being able to install cloaking devices, Breen Energy dissipaters, etc and just make the game a lot more fun and versatile.
  • captainwexlercaptainwexler Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    kayajay wrote: »
    I know that they'll probably never do this, but with the game flooded with Carriers these days, the missing one in my book would be a Temporal Carrier.

    If you have them, it could be equipped with the Manheim Device and Tipler Cylinder and could also come with a third unique console that works with the other two.

    It could launch Aeon Time Shuttles, with Subatomic Deflector Arrays and actually, if not a third console, then having those two also gives the Shuttles the same abilities...Temporal Backstep, etc.

    Klingon, Tholian, Jem'Hadar, now the Obelisk...and a Temporal Carrier would be a great edition.

    Do you have any freaking Idea how annoying 16 shuttles doing temporal backstep would be? Especially if it's the one that freezes other ships.

    On top of that, your shuttles will be backstepping instead of dpsing, or dying so that you can replace them with more shuttles which will be dpsing.

    Also, as others seem to have noted, a carrier wouldnt work in future treck as fighters would last all off three seconds in space combat with most of what the future holds, and due to the crazy range of the shuttles of the era, a carrier isn't needed.
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