Two Lt. Commander slots, a Wells class shield mod (1.45), and the second highest science vessel hull mod (33,000), and 11 turn rate. The ship is a bit too powerful. The Orb Weaver lockbox ship has 9 turn rate, 30,000 hull, and a 1.4 shield mod. The Fleet Nebula has 9 turn rate, 34,250 hull, and 1.43 shield mod. The Voth science vessel has too much hull for the turn rate given.
You couldn't have given KDF the sci escort could you ?
Just another kicking of sand in the face of the KDF.
And while we're at it , why must the feds constantly get 2 ships per lockbox ? Surely they could have gotten the engineering crappy ship you've given kdf and given the kdf the two more powerful escorts to them...
Two Lt. Commander slots, a Wells class shield mod (1.45), and the second highest science vessel hull mod (33,000), and 11 turn rate. The ship is a bit too powerful. The Orb Weaver lockbox ship has 9 turn rate, 30,000 hull, and a 1.4 shield mod. The Fleet Nebula has 9 turn rate, 34,250 hull, and 1.43 shield mod. The Voth science vessel has too much hull for the turn rate given.
Uhm, yeah. I've just checked the Orb ant the Palisade seems to stomp over it as it is now. That's far from ideal. You could even argue (successfully) that the uni Lt is better than Orb's Ens. Tac and Ens. Sci.
With the palisade in this form, the Orb Weaver is obsolete.
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Uhm, yeah. I've just checked the Orb ant the Palisade seems to stomp over it as it is now. That's far from ideal. You could even argue (successfully) that the uni Lt is better than Orb's Ens. Tac and Ens. Sci.
With the palisade in this form, the Orb Weaver is obsolete.
I'd still take the Orb Weaver (unless the console set turns out to be good) - 2 tac consoles is pitiful, and DPS is still king.
I'd still take the Orb Weaver (unless the console set turns out to be good) - 2 tac consoles is pitiful, and DPS is still king.
You don't need tactical consoles to deal damage in a science vessel. For example, my main science character flies a fleet nova and I get 9.6k DPS before using buffs or science abilities. That's without a single tactical console. I treat tactical console slots as a place to slot universal consoles, nothing more.
So now we're giving away the KDF's flight deck cruisers, I see how it is.
Well I don't think I'd quite say being a lockbox ship "giving it away", in the same way that the Obelisk was "giving away" the 2-hangar carrier setup the KDF had.
The Bastion has 5,000 more hp and .1 more in shields, a uni Ensign and Lt. +tac console vs. 2 turn, .02 impulse speed, 250 more crew, +Sci Console. Fairly balanced aside from the universal slots.
finally there is a science ship that rivals the Wells in shield power and boff seating. if I get it im throwing it on my second sci char both it and Wells have great abilities but I think this new ship is slightly over the top with no ensign slots. but one advantage the Wells has is maneuverability at 15 she runs circles around this ships turn rate of 11 and also the temporal warefare buff is cool too. both are epic ships in my eyes
You couldn't have given KDF the sci escort could you ?
Just another kicking of sand in the face of the KDF.
And while we're at it , why must the feds constantly get 2 ships per lockbox ? Surely they could have gotten the engineering crappy ship you've given kdf and given the kdf the two more powerful escorts to them...
Guess it pays to be a fed player as usual.
Hang on. I had to go read the article again having read this. Can't see where you get the idea that KDF players are getting less ships than the fed side. The only way you could say that is if you're counting the mirror ships, which in all honesty are common as muck on the exchange now and have been since the Dominion lock box, and basically just a change of skins from the prime universe versions.
I mean, you did read the fact that the Voth ships are not fed vessels but available to ALL factions, right?
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Mirror Universe ships; I've said it before, I'll say it again. Give them a couple lockboxes off, please. when you can sell a couple space shields and buy a whole new ship on the exchange for the credits you got, the market supply definately needs some time to work itself down again...
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The Bastion has 5,000 more hp and .1 more in shields, a uni Ensign and Lt. +tac console vs. 2 turn, .02 impulse speed, 250 more crew, +Sci Console. Fairly balanced aside from the universal slots.
Lockbox ships are slightly better than fleet ships, since Cryptic makes about $250 per lobi/lockbox ship.
Hang on. I had to go read the article again having read this. Can't see where you get the idea that KDF players are getting less ships than the fed side. The only way you could say that is if you're counting the mirror ships, which in all honesty are common as muck on the exchange now and have been since the Dominion lock box, and basically just a change of skins from the prime universe versions.
I mean, you did read the fact that the Voth ships are not fed vessels but available to ALL factions, right?
Mirror ships ... Feds get the chance of 2 ..
Roms get 1
Kdf get 1
See how they get more ships now ?
And yes while they maybe mirror ships they still get *2* ... one of which is a bloody science escort.
The point being is simple .. the feds have enough science ships but now they have a science escort and the kdf have what ? an engineering ship.
The kdf have been shouting for one for years and the feds get it.
you cant be serious with that sci ship, that has to be a joke. its basically a wells with a second LTC station. its an orb weaver that turns better and instead of 2 lame ENS stations has a LT, like it some kind of full carrier. whats it give up for this? it gives up haveing low hull and shields, it is forced to deal with haveing the best hull and shield combo of any sci ship by far :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Mirror ships ... Feds get the chance of 2 ..
Roms get 1
Kdf get 1
See how they get more ships now ?
And yes while they maybe mirror ships they still get *2* ... one of which is a bloody science escort.
The point being is simple .. the feds have enough science ships but now they have a science escort and the kdf have what ? an engineering ship.
The kdf have been shouting for one for years and the feds get it.
Lets not forget that the last c-store ship we got was the Bortasqu' which was like what? Over a year ago? Seriously. While the feds keep pumping out new ships continuously. Even ships that should have been KDF in nature such as the avenger come out for feds, while the KDF get nothing.
Finally, another lockbox I want to get after the Tal-shiar lockbox! More of these, less of the Elachi.
That said, can we get away from the same, old, leftover, mirror ships, in future lockboxes? Can we not create a new mirror ship for each faction, each new lockbox? And if not, then how about dropping the mirror ships, and making new skins for ships?
Other then the that, really stoked for this lockbox!
Lets not forget that the last c-store ship we got was the Bortasqu' which was like what? Over a year ago? Seriously. While the feds keep pumping out new ships continuously. Even ships that should have been KDF in nature such as the avenger come out for feds, while the KDF get nothing.
Don't get me wrong ...
I'm not saying feds should get nothing.
I'm simply saying KDF have asked for the feds mirror ships from this lockbox for god knows how long and the Feds recieved it instead.
There is no reasoning I can think of that says that the feds should recieve another hard hitting escort let alone a Sci ship aswell.
I can't seem to find any forum where KDF have asked for a engineering ship compared to the request/demands for viable sci ships and that's what this is more about. That sciscort would have been perfect for KDF and would stop the requests for quite a while..
Oh well ... feds get yet more powerful new toys and kdf get the short end of the stick as per norm.
You're looking at it the wrong way... Look at it like a true Klingon warrior; look at it as the Federation needs all these toys to make up for their own weakness, while all a Klingon needs is his honor, his bat'leth, and a B'Rel Retrofit torp boat...
And "The Complete Works of William Shakespeare", but that one's optional.
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Don't get me wrong ...
I'm not saying feds should get nothing.
I'm simply saying KDF have asked for the feds mirror ships from this lockbox for god knows how long and the Feds recieved it instead.
There is no reasoning I can think of that says that the feds should recieve another hard hitting escort let alone a Sci ship aswell.
I can't seem to find any forum where KDF have asked for a engineering ship compared to the request/demands for viable sci ships and that's what this is more about. That sciscort would have been perfect for KDF and would stop the requests for quite a while..
Oh well ... feds get yet more powerful new toys and kdf get the short end of the stick as per norm.
Last time I checked, these mirror ships are repeats from a past lockbox, why are you so butthurt...
Hmmmm sciscort eh? Since when does a LT science make a ship a science ship. And btw those LT science slots are on the prime universe versions as well. So this isnt something that is new by all means.
So in your job you intentionally spend your time making products for a small amount of people rather than making products for a larger amount of people?
Feds get more stuff since feds have more players than KDF. That is a fact. Don't like it. Play Fed. By selling more Fed ships than KDF ships the game gets to stay in operation. This is a business not a freaking charity. So because you want more KDF ships the 2-3 (IIRC) ship designers are going to make stuff and sell to a very small amount of people, when all that hard work could go to making more stuff to sell to a very large amount of people? Its called addition, they can make more money selling c-store fed ships than by selling c-store kdf ships.
With with that flight deck goes the last of the truly unique KDF ship classes in the game. KDF designs have now been fully assimilated to all other factions...
Having said that I look forward to getting the Bastion FDC, seems like a better ship than my Fleet Corsair is...
At least there's a 5 sci slot ship KDF toons can now acquire.
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Just another kicking of sand in the face of the KDF.
And while we're at it , why must the feds constantly get 2 ships per lockbox ? Surely they could have gotten the engineering crappy ship you've given kdf and given the kdf the two more powerful escorts to them...
Guess it pays to be a fed player as usual.
Ultimate drain boat.
Uhm, yeah. I've just checked the Orb ant the Palisade seems to stomp over it as it is now. That's far from ideal. You could even argue (successfully) that the uni Lt is better than Orb's Ens. Tac and Ens. Sci.
With the palisade in this form, the Orb Weaver is obsolete.
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I'd still take the Orb Weaver (unless the console set turns out to be good) - 2 tac consoles is pitiful, and DPS is still king.
You don't need tactical consoles to deal damage in a science vessel. For example, my main science character flies a fleet nova and I get 9.6k DPS before using buffs or science abilities. That's without a single tactical console. I treat tactical console slots as a place to slot universal consoles, nothing more.
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Well I don't think I'd quite say being a lockbox ship "giving it away", in the same way that the Obelisk was "giving away" the 2-hangar carrier setup the KDF had.
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I think you need to alter the end of the post, surely you mean 'Voth' lockbox? ;-)
:eek: Really? Really??? I must be extremely unlucky.
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The Bastion has 5,000 more hp and .1 more in shields, a uni Ensign and Lt. +tac console vs. 2 turn, .02 impulse speed, 250 more crew, +Sci Console. Fairly balanced aside from the universal slots.
Hang on. I had to go read the article again having read this. Can't see where you get the idea that KDF players are getting less ships than the fed side. The only way you could say that is if you're counting the mirror ships, which in all honesty are common as muck on the exchange now and have been since the Dominion lock box, and basically just a change of skins from the prime universe versions.
I mean, you did read the fact that the Voth ships are not fed vessels but available to ALL factions, right?
Mirror Universe ships; I've said it before, I'll say it again. Give them a couple lockboxes off, please. when you can sell a couple space shields and buy a whole new ship on the exchange for the credits you got, the market supply definately needs some time to work itself down again...
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
Mirror ships ... Feds get the chance of 2 ..
Roms get 1
Kdf get 1
See how they get more ships now ?
And yes while they maybe mirror ships they still get *2* ... one of which is a bloody science escort.
The point being is simple .. the feds have enough science ships but now they have a science escort and the kdf have what ? an engineering ship.
The kdf have been shouting for one for years and the feds get it.
:mad:
Lets not forget that the last c-store ship we got was the Bortasqu' which was like what? Over a year ago? Seriously. While the feds keep pumping out new ships continuously. Even ships that should have been KDF in nature such as the avenger come out for feds, while the KDF get nothing.
That said, can we get away from the same, old, leftover, mirror ships, in future lockboxes? Can we not create a new mirror ship for each faction, each new lockbox? And if not, then how about dropping the mirror ships, and making new skins for ships?
Other then the that, really stoked for this lockbox!
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Don't get me wrong ...
I'm not saying feds should get nothing.
I'm simply saying KDF have asked for the feds mirror ships from this lockbox for god knows how long and the Feds recieved it instead.
There is no reasoning I can think of that says that the feds should recieve another hard hitting escort let alone a Sci ship aswell.
I can't seem to find any forum where KDF have asked for a engineering ship compared to the request/demands for viable sci ships and that's what this is more about. That sciscort would have been perfect for KDF and would stop the requests for quite a while..
Oh well ... feds get yet more powerful new toys and kdf get the short end of the stick as per norm.
And "The Complete Works of William Shakespeare", but that one's optional.
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
Last time I checked, these mirror ships are repeats from a past lockbox, why are you so butthurt...
Hmmmm sciscort eh? Since when does a LT science make a ship a science ship. And btw those LT science slots are on the prime universe versions as well. So this isnt something that is new by all means.
So in your job you intentionally spend your time making products for a small amount of people rather than making products for a larger amount of people?
Feds get more stuff since feds have more players than KDF. That is a fact. Don't like it. Play Fed. By selling more Fed ships than KDF ships the game gets to stay in operation. This is a business not a freaking charity. So because you want more KDF ships the 2-3 (IIRC) ship designers are going to make stuff and sell to a very small amount of people, when all that hard work could go to making more stuff to sell to a very large amount of people? Its called addition, they can make more money selling c-store fed ships than by selling c-store kdf ships.
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Having said that I look forward to getting the Bastion FDC, seems like a better ship than my Fleet Corsair is...
At least there's a 5 sci slot ship KDF toons can now acquire.