sorry Cryptic has no fault. It is just a bit of misunderstanding from your side, which has put a dent in your wallet.
I doubt if the buyer is going to give them back to you, unless he is super nice. He is in his rights of not selling them back to you.
One fella put a Jem Hadar Attack Ship for 39 million instead of 390 million in exchange due to one mission zero. Obviously, I was lucky enough to get it.
The guy did send me a couple of messages but with each message he was getting abusive and aggressive. Unfortunately, I saw those messages when I logged in game after a few days of delay so I laughed and put him in ignore list.
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And you thought it is a good Idea to throw everything into an unknown system?
But I must ask, which MMO handles its exchange, or whatever it is called there, as you thought it would?
It would be nonsensical and stupid to make a system like that...
He's probably talking about World of Warcaft's Auction House, it has the option to set up the price "Per Stack" and "Per Item"
As you can see here: http://wowpedia.org/File:Selling.jpeg
"Per Stack" allows you to put up the whole stack for auction as a whole for a single price.
"Per Item" on the other hand allows you to put in a stack of say 20 items, but put in the price per item, it then creates 20 separate auctions, saving you the tedium of first splitting the stack into 20 separate items, and then putting up 20 separate auctions after that.
As you can see not a nonsensical system at all, but he could be talking about an other MMO that handles stacks in the "per item" way as a default or only option, which would be dumb indeed, default for stacks should always be "per stack"
In the end, yes it's his own fault, he should have checked first how the Exchange worked in STO compared to the auction feature in the other game, before putting up something he spent $50 of real world money on.
To the OP I would like to say, either you gave someone 50 keys to open a lot of lock boxes with, or you gave lucky Exchange dealer about 83.3M EC in profit.
Learn from this, research the games you play, don't assume, similar features are not 100% similar even in games made by the same developer, let alone the games of other developers.
I remember when the mirror ships first started popping up on the exchange, I searched using the ALL tab and the cheapest was 70 mill, so I sold a bunch of keys and got one! Then someone told me the All tab was bugged and if I had used the reward packs tab I would have seen they where actually selling for 100k. Lesson learned, never trust the exchange to be working properly, always double.... Tripple check everything.
I remember when the mirror ships first started popping up on the exchange, I searched using the ALL tab and the cheapest was 70 mill, so I sold a bunch of keys and got one! Then someone told me the All tab was bugged and if I had used the reward packs tab I would have seen they where actually selling for 100k. Lesson learned, never trust the exchange to be working properly, always double.... Tripple check everything.
Yeah I remember those days . I think the name for that bug was "noob tax" and for sure I made quite a deal of EC that way as well.
True about the car, but it's not a good example because it isn't as simple a sale as buying the wrong item on the exchange.
One of the things I liked about City of Heroes Market was you typed in the amount you were willing to pay and you'd get the item if someone was selling it for that price or less.
That gave you a few options.
1. You could slowly work your way up and get what you wanted.
2. You could place a bid and wait for someone to sell it for a price you were willing to pay.
3. Or you could look at the last highest sell price and risk paying far too much by matching or exceeding that price to get an instant purchase.
Best. Auction System. Ever. (To date). Buyers could post their prices, they'd stay up indefinitely. Still miss that.
Please reconsider ARC. Please make it optional, at the least. PLEASE.
It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
The thing is PWE/Cryptic could have at the VERY LEAST put a check in posting items on the exchange...
Has anyone noticed that when you are leaving a map it asks you..."you have completed all objectives here do you wish to leave?"
They could easily ask when posting items for sale "you are about to post this item for x amount do you wish to continue?"
and mistakes like this would be far less frequent, I am appalled at the poor implementation of that on the exchange! It is like they decided to not ask the "do you want to continue?" so that they TRIBBLE off their OWN customers..
Absolutely terrible and SHOULD be fixed. :mad: really :mad:
Do not want.
I feel a great deal of empathy for the OP as that is a very costly mistake.
But second-guessing every action a player takes is unnecessary and annoying. The system assumes you know what you're doing when you post something on the exchange. It has no way to calculate whether a trade is reasonable or not and the alternative is to warn you for every freaking transaction. That adds to the amount of time that a player is forced to muck around with logistics instead of playing the game, and that's no fun at all.
I dunno, maybe the game should have an Exchange tutorial or something.
So in the interests of future-proofing the OP and other new players, I suggest that you get in the habit of pressing the CTRL key any time you move a stack of items. That will allow you to select only the amount you want to move and help you to break up the stacks into reasonable quantities.
Another suggestion for Cryptic would involve limiting the stack size for master keys to 20, but that has its own issues and would tick off the big-money players who buy keys in bulk.
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Or the devs could use a little common sense and make a small change to the exchange so that when a player has a stack of items the exchange to defaults to 1 item instead of the entire stack.
That way the player can't sell everything by mistake. He'd have to manually increase the number of items to more than 1.
That could work pretty well, actually. It would benefit more people than it would inconvenience.
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i sold a ship lockbox on the market a it was a carrier and i made the mistake i put it on the exchange i meant to put it up for 999,999 energy credits but i accidently posted it for 999 energy credits instead i put it up didnt think anything of becouse i posted it and then exited the exchange i sold it and i was amazed how could i have made that stupid mistake.
also i acdently deleted my lvl 50 charactor i thought it nwas my other 1 but i made them look exactly the same and the name very and i mean ver similar the only diffrence in the names was 1 letter but atleast sto was able to get my lvl 50 charactor back after i deleted him all i need to provide was date of deletion charactors name charactor lvl and then they had ot make sure you have 1 open slot and theres not another chaaractor with the same name on the server but atleast they got my guy back.
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i have hurt many people and i am deeply sorry but i hope i you will forgive me and i will try to make it better i am sorry.
Kinda bummed out by the lack of empathy shown here. One of the things I always loved about STO was the community,all these 'Meh, Sucks to be you' posts' bring shame on the posters.
Sure, y'all can try and sound smart by making out it wouldn't happen to you, but there's a new player here, who simply posted (very politely too, considering how crappy he must feel at the moment) about an issue/mistake that has cost him dearly.
For what it's worth OP, I don't have much myself, but if you send me a PM on the forums I'll give you my character details and help out by donating 2 keys worth of ec and/or keys. I wish I could do more, but I've recently lost my job so don't have that much to give, but it also means I appreciate how much $50 can mean. Hope that helps.
***The above ramblings are, as always, my own opinion. Based on my experiences and interpreted by my mind, they by no means reflect the universal truth (unless coincidentally). Peace.***
For what it's worth OP, I don't have much myself, but if you send me a PM on the forums I'll give you my character details and help out by donating 2 keys worth of ec and/or keys. I wish I could do more, but I've recently lost my job so don't have that much to give, but it also means I appreciate how much $50 can mean. Hope that helps.
I'll also put in 2 keys. Send me a message ingame @vocmcp
I have no EC or keys to share, but to show some empathy, before I understood the return emails when an item expired on the market, I accidentally deleted about 500,000EC worth of items that had been in the return email before going to a Mail spot to recover them...
Anyway, think of the guy who got the keys. It was great timing and a wonderful investment... If he only knew, how bad would he feel?
CM
"Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure science." - Edwin Hubble
I've gotten great deals before on the Exchange and never thought about emailing the seller to ask if it was legit... I always considered myself lucky to be at the right place at the right time, and glad I got it before someone else did... There are people much better off than I am in the game and I figure they may not need the stuff... I'm to the point in the game that I'm tired of the cheap drops, and I sell stuff on the exchange for cheap simply to make sure it sells...
I really feel bad for the OP, truly, honestly... $50 is more than I've lost on the game... But I still sympathize, even though it's a learning lesson...
"Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure science." - Edwin Hubble
That sucks, and you would think they would give a semi-tutorial on the exchange for newbies (since every game does the Auction house differently) But alas, PW will not reimburse you.
Kinda wish I had been on to buy them, would've really helped my Key farm -.- trying to get that flight Deck Cruiser in the next box. (And I wouldve sent you at least half back knowing mistakes like this suck)
Actually, kinda wondering why you were selling keys and not fleet ship modules. 10 fleet modules at 7,000,000 is 70 million, while 50 keys at 1.2 million a piece is only 60 million.
Actually, kinda wondering why you were selling keys and not fleet ship modules. 10 fleet modules at 7,000,000 is 70 million, while 50 keys at 1.2 million a piece is only 60 million.
1.7 atm, not 1.2. So it would net 15 million more EC.
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online!
It wasn't that good. For one, since the OP received the EC for one key, he only lost $49, not $50. (Actually $44.19)
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You are aware that you can buy "a bigger purse" from the C-Store for about 500 Zen?
Other than that:
OP... you essentially bought a Coffee, burned youself and now want Cryptic to do something about it?
Probably the worst analogy i ever saw on these forums and also the lamest attempt to try and look clever at someone else's expense. Have a word with yourself.
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I doubt if the buyer is going to give them back to you, unless he is super nice. He is in his rights of not selling them back to you.
One fella put a Jem Hadar Attack Ship for 39 million instead of 390 million in exchange due to one mission zero. Obviously, I was lucky enough to get it.
The guy did send me a couple of messages but with each message he was getting abusive and aggressive. Unfortunately, I saw those messages when I logged in game after a few days of delay so I laughed and put him in ignore list.
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
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^^ that plus this is a game/gamble,sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
still can remember the guy who sold a bug ship for 400,000ec lol
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Heheh, I remember that. I once bought 4 of the lobi Klingon skirts for a million EC each. :rolleyes:
Granted i have made mistakes of my own in the past though, NEVER this bad......
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That was nice, quick and easy 12 mil ever
Will you please inform me next time when you are about to do something like that,
i would at least give you 3 mil for 50 keys
He's probably talking about World of Warcaft's Auction House, it has the option to set up the price "Per Stack" and "Per Item"
As you can see here: http://wowpedia.org/File:Selling.jpeg
"Per Stack" allows you to put up the whole stack for auction as a whole for a single price.
"Per Item" on the other hand allows you to put in a stack of say 20 items, but put in the price per item, it then creates 20 separate auctions, saving you the tedium of first splitting the stack into 20 separate items, and then putting up 20 separate auctions after that.
As you can see not a nonsensical system at all, but he could be talking about an other MMO that handles stacks in the "per item" way as a default or only option, which would be dumb indeed, default for stacks should always be "per stack"
In the end, yes it's his own fault, he should have checked first how the Exchange worked in STO compared to the auction feature in the other game, before putting up something he spent $50 of real world money on.
To the OP I would like to say, either you gave someone 50 keys to open a lot of lock boxes with, or you gave lucky Exchange dealer about 83.3M EC in profit.
Learn from this, research the games you play, don't assume, similar features are not 100% similar even in games made by the same developer, let alone the games of other developers.
Yeah I remember those days
Well I would have to be a noob to expect cryptic to have a working bug free exchange.:D never mind, what's done is done.
Best. Auction System. Ever. (To date). Buyers could post their prices, they'd stay up indefinitely. Still miss that.
It seems the vast majority of your most active players (forum regulars) hate the idea... and while that's a small subset of the playerbase, I think it's an important constituency.
THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS.
Do not want.
I feel a great deal of empathy for the OP as that is a very costly mistake.
But second-guessing every action a player takes is unnecessary and annoying. The system assumes you know what you're doing when you post something on the exchange. It has no way to calculate whether a trade is reasonable or not and the alternative is to warn you for every freaking transaction. That adds to the amount of time that a player is forced to muck around with logistics instead of playing the game, and that's no fun at all.
I dunno, maybe the game should have an Exchange tutorial or something.
So in the interests of future-proofing the OP and other new players, I suggest that you get in the habit of pressing the CTRL key any time you move a stack of items. That will allow you to select only the amount you want to move and help you to break up the stacks into reasonable quantities.
Another suggestion for Cryptic would involve limiting the stack size for master keys to 20, but that has its own issues and would tick off the big-money players who buy keys in bulk.
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That could work pretty well, actually. It would benefit more people than it would inconvenience.
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Thank you, please come again.
also i acdently deleted my lvl 50 charactor i thought it nwas my other 1 but i made them look exactly the same and the name very and i mean ver similar the only diffrence in the names was 1 letter but atleast sto was able to get my lvl 50 charactor back after i deleted him all i need to provide was date of deletion charactors name charactor lvl and then they had ot make sure you have 1 open slot and theres not another chaaractor with the same name on the server but atleast they got my guy back.
i have hurt many people and i am deeply sorry but i hope i you will forgive me and i will try to make it better i am sorry.
Sure, y'all can try and sound smart by making out it wouldn't happen to you, but there's a new player here, who simply posted (very politely too, considering how crappy he must feel at the moment) about an issue/mistake that has cost him dearly.
For what it's worth OP, I don't have much myself, but if you send me a PM on the forums I'll give you my character details and help out by donating 2 keys worth of ec and/or keys. I wish I could do more, but I've recently lost my job so don't have that much to give, but it also means I appreciate how much $50 can mean. Hope that helps.
I'll also put in 2 keys. Send me a message ingame @vocmcp
Anyway, think of the guy who got the keys. It was great timing and a wonderful investment... If he only knew, how bad would he feel?
CM
I really feel bad for the OP, truly, honestly... $50 is more than I've lost on the game... But I still sympathize, even though it's a learning lesson...
Only the seller knows who bought it. The buyer does not receive such information at all.
Kinda wish I had been on to buy them, would've really helped my Key farm -.- trying to get that flight Deck Cruiser in the next box. (And I wouldve sent you at least half back knowing mistakes like this suck)
1.7 atm, not 1.2. So it would net 15 million more EC.
It wasn't that good. For one, since the OP received the EC for one key, he only lost $49, not $50. (Actually $44.19)
Probably the worst analogy i ever saw on these forums and also the lamest attempt to try and look clever at someone else's expense. Have a word with yourself.