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Omni-Directional Antiproton Beam needs a fix

darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
Hello.

When you parse a match, the Omni-Directional Antiproton Beam damage is included with the damage registered by standard Antiproton beam damage. This makes no sense, especially when you consider that Antiproton Dual Beam Banks have their own damage category.

Cryptic, thank you for the new gear. I'm highly impressed. Yes, I understand that you guys are busy but is there any chance you can give the new weapon a unique tag so that its damage shows up under its own class on combat parsers?

Anyone agree/disagree?
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  • sorceror01sorceror01 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I dunno, I mean. Other than the fact that it's a 360 Beam Array, isn't it really just kinda like a regular single beam array?
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  • compositearmourcompositearmour Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    It's just an Anti proton array with an [arc] modifier.
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I disagree. It's a part of a set which makes it unique. Just like the Romulan hyper-plasma array, the Elachi heavy cannon and the temporal dual beam bank. If it were just like a normal array with the [arc] modifier it would have a normal beam icon, just like the wide angle torpedo launcher has a normal quantum torpedo icon.
  • novapolaris#2925 novapolaris Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Actually, the wide angle quantum torpedo launcher does have a unique icon, but it's only slightly different from the regular icon.

    Also, doesn't the 360 antiproton beam array have a lower dps than a standard antiproton beam array? I looked at it, and it appears to do more than a turret, but less than a beam array. Unless it's bugged and not doing enough damage, that's probably intended.
  • crypt1c1crypt1c1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I disagree. It's a part of a set which makes it unique. Just like the Romulan hyper-plasma array, the Elachi heavy cannon and the temporal dual beam bank. If it were just like a normal array with the [arc] modifier it would have a normal beam icon, just like the wide angle torpedo launcher has a normal quantum torpedo icon.

    But it is just a normal AP beam array, just because it doesnt have the same icon as a regular beam array doesnt make it not a beam array. And to be honest why should a 360 beam array have the same icon as a 250 degree beam array.

    The romulan plasma array fires 2 different energy types plasma and disruptor. The Chroniton fires a unique shot and benefits from antiproton mods. the Elachi heavy cannon is unique because it has the chance to ignore shields and 50% damage resistance.

    The 360 AP array is just a normal beam array with an [arc] modifier.
  • novapolaris#2925 novapolaris Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    crypt1c1 wrote: »
    But it is just a normal AP beam array, just because it doesnt have the same icon as a regular beam array doesnt make it not a beam array. And to be honest why should a 360 beam array have the same icon as a 250 degree beam array.

    The romulan plasma array fires 2 different energy types plasma and disruptor. The Chroniton fires a unique shot and benefits from antiproton mods. the Elachi heavy cannon is unique because it has the chance to ignore shields and 50% damage resistance.

    The 360 AP array is just a normal beam array with an [arc] modifier.

    A "normal" 360 antiproton beam array with lower damage output. So technically, yes, it has [Arc] since the added angle means lower damage to compensate.
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Wow, people really seem to be against this. I can't see why as it won't be detrimental to anyone. Maybe people just don't like change...
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    hey I look at it this way. People have been harping for a 360 degree beam weapon, it comes out and you whine about it?

    Jesus just be happy you have a 360 deg beam weapon!
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  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    talonxv wrote: »
    hey I look at it this way. People have been harping for a 360 degree beam weapon, it comes out and you whine about it?

    Jesus just be happy you have a 360 deg beam weapon!

    In my original post I asked for a little change and you think that's whining? What, when you were small and you asked your Mum for some orange juice did she accuse you of whining?
  • martin1970giesenmartin1970giesen Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Hello.

    When you parse a match, the Omni-Directional Antiproton Beam damage is included with the damage registered by standard Antiproton beam damage. This makes no sense, especially when you consider that Antiproton Dual Beam Banks have their own damage category.

    Cryptic, thank you for the new gear. I'm highly impressed. Yes, I understand that you guys are busy but is there any chance you can give the new weapon a unique tag so that its damage shows up under its own class on combat parsers?

    Anyone agree/disagree?

    Agree, and to the people that can't read the OP, he doesn't want to change damage, ect but a own damage category in the parse so we can see how it does in a match.
    Like most, he wants to compare the beam to the other weapons on his ship.
    (I don't know the OP and if im wrong im sorry)
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  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Agree, and to the people that can't read the OP, he doesn't want to change damage, ect but a own damage category in the parse so we can see how it does in a match.
    Like most, he wants to compare the beam to the other weapons on his ship.
    (I don't know the OP and if im wrong im sorry)

    You are 1,000% correct. The weapon is wonderful how it is. All I want is to be able to see it's damage output on a separate line in a combat parser.

    On a separate note, in order to see whether the new weapon is worth replacing a standard array I tried this little test. My current ship has the chrono dual beam, a standard AP array and chroniton torps on front, two AP arrays and the temporal disruption device on rear. I wanted to see whether it would be prudent to replace a rear array with the omni-directional array.

    As the omni-directional can't be independently parsed, I took off my AP consoles, replaced the front AP array with a phaser array, one of the rear AP arrays with a plasma array and swapped the last AP array on the rear with the omni-directional. This way I could directly compare the omni-directional with a rear mounted array.

    Every parse test I've done has the omni-directional doing more damage than the other rear array. It may have less damage but the [arc] more than makes up for it. If you have an AP beam boat that likes to face forward against an opponent, it's definitely the way to go. If you prefer to broadside AND you're not going to use the special warp core then I'd not use it.
  • fazemladaiyafazemladaiya Member Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Just curious. If folks wanted these changes, then how come NO feedback on this was seen on the tribble or red shirt forums? Oh wait . . . that's because everyone just wants to PLAY the new stuff and not actually beta test it to give proper feedback DURING the testing phase.

    I do agree though - it is a bloody awesome weapon :)
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    To be honest, when I play new content on tribble I don't parse it, I just enjoy it!!
  • proteus22proteus22 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    one question how many can you put on one ship or is it just one you can get?
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Just curious. If folks wanted these changes, then how come NO feedback on this was seen on the tribble or red shirt forums? Oh wait . . . that's because everyone just wants to PLAY the new stuff and not actually beta test it to give proper feedback DURING the testing phase.

    I do agree though - it is a bloody awesome weapon :)

    I'm pretty sure that neither the new mission or the AP beam turret were on Tribble.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    In my original post I asked for a little change and you think that's whining? What, when you were small and you asked your Mum for some orange juice did she accuse you of whining?

    no, you're making a mountain out of an anthill. Can't you just be happy we now have a 360 degree phaser bank? Hasn't been out what 3 days and people already think it needs fixed?

    Yeah that's whining.
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    The beam, when slotted with the warp core, grants a 10% bonus to all ap damage. While the omni beam might do a little less damage then a standard beam array the 10% bonus pushes it to near equal, and the 10% buff it gives to all other ap beams on your ship make the minor loss on the omni seem extremely unimportant. Not to menion it is giving more forward firepower as well.
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    talonxv wrote: »
    no, you're making a mountain out of an anthill. Can't you just be happy we now have a 360 degree phaser bank? Hasn't been out what 3 days and people already think it needs fixed?

    Yeah that's whining.

    He politely asked for a quality of life fix, a perfectly reasonable request. *You* are the one being unreasonable here...
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  • lomax6996lomax6996 Member Posts: 512 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    stf65 wrote: »
    The beam, when slotted with the warp core, grants a 10% bonus to all ap damage. While the omni beam might do a little less damage then a standard beam array the 10% bonus pushes it to near equal, and the 10% buff it gives to all other ap beams on your ship make the minor loss on the omni seem extremely unimportant. Not to menion it is giving more forward firepower as well.

    I have a Fleet Torkhat that runs an all AP beam build with 2 dual beam banks and two arrays fore and 4 arrays aft. I replaced one aft array with this puppy as well as mounting the companion warp core and saw a 3k DPS increase, overall, with no other changes made. Love it. :P
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  • chance74chance74 Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    1 per ship just like every other unique weapon.

    Man, that was the bummer for me.

    For those of us that want a 360 degree beam weapon, the idea is to use DBB forward and beam turrets on the rear to get basically a beam-escort layout on something like a science ship or fast cruiser.
  • deathsremnantdeathsremnant Member Posts: 265
    edited November 2013
    I just find it funny how much stronger it is then a turret, bought some MKXII voth turrets for my AP fleet Dhelan for its rear weaps (well X2 already had a cutter) then come to realize the omni beam has around 300 more dps then a turret -.- yeah wasted some EC on 1 too many turrets quickly replaced it with the omni. Sure its not effected by rapid or volley , but it certainly does increase dps on single target.
  • deathsremnantdeathsremnant Member Posts: 265
    edited November 2013
    chance74 wrote: »
    Man, that was the bummer for me.

    For those of us that want a 360 degree beam weapon, the idea is to use DBB forward and beam turrets on the rear to get basically a beam-escort layout on something like a science ship or fast cruiser.


    Use 3X DBB front. Cutter/Omni/ Maybe Mines or turret? rear :3 there ya go close enough lol
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Use 3X DBB front. Cutter/Omni/ Maybe Mines or turret? rear :3 there ya go close enough lol

    For ships with a decent turnrate, a nice high damage torpedo is great as a rear slot weapon.

    If you have an exceptional turnrate, go for a slow moving high damage torpedo (I use Temporal Disruption Device) because you can launch it point blank in an enemy's face.

    Charge at them, cannons/DBB blazing, U-turn and deliver a torpedo, darn away U-turn, guns blazing again just in time for cooldowns.
  • capnshadow27capnshadow27 Member Posts: 1,731 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    This ENTIRE thread..........


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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    And so it begins, damn that "speak clearly" idiot. Bringing ascii art to the forums...the de-evolution of this once friendly community has begun...
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  • capnshadow27capnshadow27 Member Posts: 1,731 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    dahminus wrote: »
    And so it begins, damn that "speak clearly" idiot. Bringing ascii art to the forums...the de-evolution of this once friendly community has begun...

    He brought it and i started throwing it EVERYWHERE. For super funsies. You have to admit its a tad approptiate.....

    And this forum hasnt been super friendly forever, more like barely restrained shennanigans.
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    He brought it and i started throwing it EVERYWHERE. For super funsies. You have to admit its a tad approptiate.....

    Oh, i know...for those that were unaware of them its harmless and fun...but they are a plague that slowly eats away the integrity of forum communities. The middle finger ascii is the tip of the 4chanesque iceberg heading our way...
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  • capnshadow27capnshadow27 Member Posts: 1,731 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    dahminus wrote: »
    Oh, i know...for those that were unaware of them its harmless and fun...but they are a plague that slowly eats away the integrity of forum communities. The middle finger ascii is the tip of the 4chanesque iceberg heading our way...

    Theoretically that wont happen as well say arbitrary number 78% of people on these forums are too lazy to do it, or at least make properly epic things.

    Best ive seen so far is the Picard Face palm.
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