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Oddyssey Revamp.
blurrachi
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Not for anything,but for the staple flagship that Cryptic has made. it is almost obsolete with the way the current game is going. the cruise abilities where a great addition to all cruisers. but the "Oddy" should indeed have as follow. Based on the engineering oddyssey it has 5 eng slots. The Sci and Tac version should also have as many with respect to its roll and design. So im suggessting,5 tact slots on the Tact oddy,and 5 sci slots on the Sci version.
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
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especialy wit the escort it launches
The Sci one certainly has its place and does better because of the Sensor analysis.
The Tactical does well with the 3 Tac slots.
I finally found a place for this ship and with the cruiser commands it is a good ship. Certainly not the best cruiser, but very good at least.
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yeah at least on the tact oddy,a revamp of 4eng/2sci/4tact would actually be balanced for a fed tact version cruiser.
I still say nay, as i often naysay.
4 Tac slots is a bit of the escort and battlecruiser niche, 3 is pretty good as you really aren't going to get a whole lot out of that 4th slot. Unless you use 3 Specific weapon type I.E. Antiproton Mag Regulator, and a Generic weapon enhancer I.E. beam weapon damage.
3 is pretty good and the 4/3 of the eng and sci is pretty good as i still have a few places to put some uni consoles.
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Mine now. Not bad, but its way too much work to get the "flagship" to be on a level it gets noticed in a match.
More than anything however I constantly wish I could upgrade or specify BOFF abilities to the Escort to make that toy actually perform like a second ship. That would make it worth it and really stand out.
That and the Work Bees are by far one of the most useless heals if your in a fight with AoE attacks. That thing needs some rethinking.
The Aquarius and Work bees are TRIBBLE gimmicks. At the Very least the inherent powers involved in them should be their max level power type. same as any T5 ship should have that also, like sci ships should have beam target ___ subsystem 3
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Science slots are filled with + threat consoles and damage consoles..well can't sacrifice those!
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Its less the oddy that needs revamping, and more its craptastic consoles...
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Hey, at least the Odyssey can separate and move at the same time.
The tac odyssey is anything but tactical. It is in desperate need of a fourth tac console and a Lt Cdr tac boff to modernize it. The devs should have also slightly changed the boff configurations from one oddy to the next on top of the console and power differences.
Other than simply liking the look of the cruiser there is absolutely zero reason to use a tac odyssey rather than a facr. You will be gimping yourself.
The science odyssey is anything but science. The sensor analysis is borderline useless considering how fast targets melt, in general. They're not alive long enough to out DPS the tac oddy. Also at best, you gain a Lt Cdr sci slot; which when combined with its terrible turn rate makes it a horrible sci ship.
Lastly we have the operations odyssey. I think that's enough said there.
I will say that the oddy can be a marginal healer.
I honestly run my tac capt in a tac odyssey in estfs. I know that I'm capable of being far more effective in my facr and fleet avenger. But estfs are easy enough that they're not really required so I can lose DPS without hurting the group. I use it because I think it's a cool looking ship, not because it's good.
However, I would never dream of taking my odyssey into pvp. The ship performs horribly. All in all I think the oddy needs a revamped console and boff configuration to bring it up to snuff. Cryptic should have an issue with the excelsior (a ship design approaching 150 years old) being a far superior ship, in every way, to the flagship they built as the Enterprise F.
Will this modernization ever happen? Probably not. Especially considering that the Galaxy is in even worse shape. I generally cringe when I see one of those in any capacity.
That is a valid stand point.
I really dont see your argument. It has a Lt. Cmndr Uni slot. So the fact that it doesnt have a dedicated one makes it pretty versatile.
Your entire argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! The oddy is an extremely versatile ship, nowhere near the state of galaxy. I am not sure where you got any of your information but you sir must do more research and try out a few builds.
I personally much prefer a jack of all trades master of none ships to a ship that is locked into one particular arrangement.....
The ships are ORIENTED into a tactical, engineering, and science direction, but not strictly so. Noticeable in the + power levels to specific subsystems, console slots and specialty powers ( Sensor Analysis) But in the end are still cruisers and are going to be more of that specific type point.
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There are four variations of the odyssey. All of them are jack of all trades. There is not a significant enough difference between them to label them anything specific. The difference in performance between them is negligible and can be made up for by slightly altering boff abilities and/or consoles.
It's great that you're happy with the oddy the way it is. But a lot of others aren't. There is a reason why there are repeated requests for an odyssey revamp. There is also a reason why you don't see them in wave 10 of nws, pvp, or the top of any DPS chart when matched against equally competent players.
Add to the above bad inertia, turn rate, speed, and TRIBBLE consoles and the odyssey doesn't shine anywhere. It's a mediocre ship. There is a huge difference between what I've said in my posts ("shine", "modernization", etc) and stating that the oddy isn't a viable ship. Of course it is. I specifically said that I use it in estfs when DPS doesn't matter as much because the content isn't difficult.
I find it amusing that you attempt to invalidate what I said by focusing on my one mention of the galaxy class. If you reread my post the only reason the galaxy was mentioned was because it is in worse shape than the odyssey but has yet to be addressed by the devs. As a result no one should hold their breath for an odyssey update.
Other than that I applaud you at your attempt at a directing a l2p post at me.
DPS and PvP are worshipped far too much in this game. PvP is so empty and pointless with nothing to gain or lose that it shouldn't even be bothered with until Cryptic improves it. Once that happens, then we can have a serious discussion about ship balance because then balance will actually matter. And if MOAR DPS is what will make you happy, then you are limiting yourself to enjoying the most petty and tiny part of the game.
So you admit the Odyssey gets the job done, just not as effectively as you want it to. Well too bad. Just because you love the ship doesn't mean you deserve to have it turned into all that you expect of it.
I bolded part of your above reply. In reality DPS is the most important aspect of this game; especially in PvE. I didn't make it that way, the devs did. Got beef with that? Take it up in another post.
I expressly pointed out that the Odyssey isn't really good at anything. It's a mediocre ship across the board.
The broader discussion about PvP is subjective and off topic. Suffice it to say, the Odyssey is horrible in that facet. However, I did point out NWS as well.
Again, I stated above that it is a mediocre ship that gets the job done in content that can be done with white gear. However, other's would like to see it be more than that.
In a vast majority of the cases, the oddy must be purchased using real world money. It benefits both PWE and the players for an overhaul to be done. Will anyone shed a tear if it doesn't? I doubt it; I certainly won't.
The OP posted this because it's something he'd like to see done. At no point did anyone demand, threaten, or otherwise do anything so unreasonable other than make a request at an overhaul of what was introduced as the "Federation Flagship". Most people will admit that other ships are in far worse condition and there are obviously other priorities.
What it boils down to is this:
Don't like people making requests? Don't come to the forums.
This true lol.
It's obviously not a priority. The ship isn't broken, it's just meh. It's just one of those things I wouldn't mind seeing done.
I agree!
But it isn't meant to be a Tactical Cruiser, if you want a Tactical Cruiser go for a Battlecruiser, Assault Cruiser, or a Advanced Heavy Cruiser.
The Odyssey is a very versatile workhorse, not a attack ship.
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im sure everyone can agree that sa the Flag ship of the federation....it is far from that.
Actually it serves it's "flagship" role perfectly in its versatility and size. And remember the Enterprise-F has plot armor and weapons, where as ours doesn't.
A flagship is supposed to be versatile, defense, offense, science capabilities, room for dignitaries and so on and so forth, so your statement is lacking.
While the ship is in mediocre territory, most people state this mostly because people want the MOAR DAKKA, and this ship just cannot do it, and yeah that sucks, but i do very well with mine and i know others who do as well.
And so sorry for being happy with a ship, and not having to find fault with everything that cryptic puts its hands on.....
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I don't remember my saucer getting worker bees and GW3 when I bought it.
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Both the Odyssey and the Bortasq had their console bonuses revised when the Scimitar launched.
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The ships Versitility is in the 3 versions. At which point you look at the ship in its respective class. So within its respective class (tac/sci/eng) they are lacking for what they are "meant to do/be"
I use the tact oddy,do just fine. but as someone else said,its just gimping myself. the other ships in the same realm do better thats just how it is,i dont think its to much to suggest the Oddy versions get a update to be on par or have even better capabilities than the other ships in its class.