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captainpirko
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You know, i honestly dont know how most of the klingon players will like this.... romulans might not be too giddy about it either, but this is just an idea i had when i was bored and couldnt get to sleep.
so, we all know that no matter how much Cryptic keeps trying to deny it, the Klingon faction isnt complete by any stretch of the imagination. and romulans arent actually a real faction, but a unique character customization that can choose between klingon or federation. we all know that it'll be season 10 before klingons can be considered equal ground with the federation, and by then the feddies will have something new added just for them that wont make any sense and will show cryptic really doesnt care about the KDF.
then we got another element to this line of silliness. did you guys know we're at war with the federation? yeah me neither. well there's what happens in eta, but then again even the federation has war games against other federation. point is, when you finish the first few story missions, and leave the neutral zone, you wouldnt even know the federation and KDF are enemies. with new romulus, the borg, tholians, probably the voth too, almost all the time you're working WITH the federation, not against them. is there a war going on? i dont think so, not anymore.
okay crazy pirko, where are you going with this?
what if the KDF was changed to be like romulans? that at level 50 or something we become allies with the federation. we have our unique KDF ships, qo'nos, and the laughable supply of exclusive content for us, but we'd still be able to go to our "allies" home of earth, socialize with the local human silliness, and we can finally get over the most annoying gameplay mechanic of being unable to invite cross faction to a team, even though once you go into ISE, you'll be best of friends anyway.
gameplay wise, this wouldnt change much for the KDF. we'd still be ripped off by cryptic, still have a reason for PVP (the house of [insert your house here] will not stand for this! *declares war on federation fleet for no reason at all). and we'll still have access to our unique story line missions (such as they are...)
what we'd gain though:
ease of play-ability cross faction (team up your feddy buds without having to use an awkward private instance or something)
STFs would finally make sense (sooooo the oddy over there is at 6%, we've got 4 other klingon ships still perfectly battle ready now that the borg are gone..... why cant i shoot the blood enemy of the empire?)
klingons could choose to join federation fleets, or KDF fleets (lets face it, how many KDF fleets actually have T5 anything? uhuh, compare that to the number of feddy fleets? .... riiiiiight)
so that's basically my take. i guess if there's only one cryptic should actually do from this thread, is get rid of the stupid war. i think if we get rid of that, we can finally advance the mechanics for both feddy and KDF, without really changing much. the only thing i can see would need to be seriously changed, is maybe some dialog, and kerrat. because goodness knows kerrat would be weird after a change like that. ..... on second thought, leave kerrat exactly the way it is, no matter what you do. o.o stop messing with that thing.
so what do you think KDFers? any of this sounds good or should i go home from too much bloodwine?
so, we all know that no matter how much Cryptic keeps trying to deny it, the Klingon faction isnt complete by any stretch of the imagination. and romulans arent actually a real faction, but a unique character customization that can choose between klingon or federation. we all know that it'll be season 10 before klingons can be considered equal ground with the federation, and by then the feddies will have something new added just for them that wont make any sense and will show cryptic really doesnt care about the KDF.
then we got another element to this line of silliness. did you guys know we're at war with the federation? yeah me neither. well there's what happens in eta, but then again even the federation has war games against other federation. point is, when you finish the first few story missions, and leave the neutral zone, you wouldnt even know the federation and KDF are enemies. with new romulus, the borg, tholians, probably the voth too, almost all the time you're working WITH the federation, not against them. is there a war going on? i dont think so, not anymore.
okay crazy pirko, where are you going with this?
what if the KDF was changed to be like romulans? that at level 50 or something we become allies with the federation. we have our unique KDF ships, qo'nos, and the laughable supply of exclusive content for us, but we'd still be able to go to our "allies" home of earth, socialize with the local human silliness, and we can finally get over the most annoying gameplay mechanic of being unable to invite cross faction to a team, even though once you go into ISE, you'll be best of friends anyway.
gameplay wise, this wouldnt change much for the KDF. we'd still be ripped off by cryptic, still have a reason for PVP (the house of [insert your house here] will not stand for this! *declares war on federation fleet for no reason at all). and we'll still have access to our unique story line missions (such as they are...)
what we'd gain though:
ease of play-ability cross faction (team up your feddy buds without having to use an awkward private instance or something)
STFs would finally make sense (sooooo the oddy over there is at 6%, we've got 4 other klingon ships still perfectly battle ready now that the borg are gone..... why cant i shoot the blood enemy of the empire?)
klingons could choose to join federation fleets, or KDF fleets (lets face it, how many KDF fleets actually have T5 anything? uhuh, compare that to the number of feddy fleets? .... riiiiiight)
so that's basically my take. i guess if there's only one cryptic should actually do from this thread, is get rid of the stupid war. i think if we get rid of that, we can finally advance the mechanics for both feddy and KDF, without really changing much. the only thing i can see would need to be seriously changed, is maybe some dialog, and kerrat. because goodness knows kerrat would be weird after a change like that. ..... on second thought, leave kerrat exactly the way it is, no matter what you do. o.o stop messing with that thing.
so what do you think KDFers? any of this sounds good or should i go home from too much bloodwine?
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a Joint Klingon Federation Alliance is probably what will occur when Cryptic finally get the Iconians in the game as no faction is going to want to solo them on their own. Could be funny too if the borg suddenly decide to join the Alliance to save their own skins
It would be cool if it were true. I present the art of cut and paste and the glorious F button.
I love killing feds players and npc before they nerfed if the ESTF or even the stf where the borg queen would confuse you so that you fired on allied ships. well id save up my alpha strike and just pick on the queen till she cast confuse on me then id let lose soon as I had a feddy targeted. I have enjoyed killing many that way and would just love a chance to kill more.
I don't like the idea of combined forces if they actually gave the faction unique skills and items our ranks would be more populated. instead now the feddy bears cry about something and then they get it too. so no reason for people to come to our side.
so instead of ending the war why no escalate the damn thing, give out faction unique items and keep them unique . make us different .
I have marauder I go into feddy space and the game wont let me attack the npc feds there but I can enter the Klingon battles and they are allied to me and I cant even help them other than flying around and healing them so they can kill the feddy bears.
I will never support or enjoy the ending of hostilities with the Federation unless they have 100% capitulation to us. because the ideas are apposed and any peace would just be temporary as trek history has shown. fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Fool me Thrice... DEATH TO THE FEDERATION.
The leaders on the federation are infested with undine and will not capitulate unless we execute them in a very public display just like what we did in the Gorn Hegemony.
Riker asks a Klingon about his future.
"Our future is honor, our present is serving this ship."
Part of the fed intro:
"Time does not stop for one man and neither does history, the chaos in Romulan space gave the Klingon Empire an opportunity to expand it's territory." (I had no idea we were actually doing that)
"Only in battle is a warrior truly Klingon."
It is our duty, our honor to serve the Empire.
General Chang:
"Cry 'havoc!' and let slip the dogs of war!"
"Cry woe, destruction, ruin, and decay, the worst is death.. and death shall have his day."
"Merging"? Hell no
Why would you want to run arround ESD in the first place...such a disgusting place....Oooh now i get it, you just make this up to plant a bomb right? For that you have my blessing.
Viola, endgame level cooperation without having to make any faction a pet of the other and we the player get two excellent storylines that are different enough to be fun seperately yet work toward an single endgame goal.
The game grows, the factions grow and everyone is happy.
R.I.P
Then we can have true task forces again. like in the shows.. maybe focus our full military might on soooo many new threats.. Maybe get me some Iconian action.. yea
Well i'm glad we agree on what the romulan republic is,:D though its just as much a pet to the Klingon empire as it is to the federation.
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LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
In terms of the STO plotline the empire is doing better than it has in a long time.
Forcing the Gorn into submission, the Orions supporting the Empire, Nausicaans jumping on the bandwagon, simultaneously taking on the Undine threat (alone), fighting Starfleet, and a myriad of other threats.
One of the Empire's greatest, oldest enemies, the Romulans, have splintered with a group of them subjecting themselves to the Empire (as well as the Federation) in exchange for lunch money and help rounding up rodents. They will even help the Empire kill fellow Romulans & Remans.
THIS IS A WIN-WIN PROPOSITION!
On top of all those "activities" (of blowing s**t up), including the time honored tradition of shooting at Starfleet, the Klingons still get opportunities to kill each other here and there out of House rivalry.
For a people that savor battle, battle can be found everywhere. Nowhere will you ever find any of the KDF missions of someone in the Empire crying about the wars. Not even Worf, with the Empire at war with the Federation.
The Klingon Empire is doing GREAT! :cool:
but the idea of factionless queues and the like makes my skin crawl. i quite enjoy the crack teams the kdf brings to the public queues. i really dont want feddies messing that up.
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The STO Federation intro gives the distinct impression that the federation is doomed.
"The chaos in Romulan space gave the Klingon Empire to a opportunity to expand their territory."
"The Federation did their utmost to preserve it's alliance with the Klingons, but war was inevitable." (war on one side of their borders)
"The Romulans want revenge for their lost world." (revenge against the Federation because Spock failed to save Romulus, war on two sides of their borders)
"The Dominion are rebuilding it's forces" (pending attack from the Dominion to take the Alpha Quadrant)
"The Borg have reappeared and attacked the Vega colony." (war on three sides of the federation border)
"The Alpha Quadrant (Federation) balances on the edge of ruin." (self centered Starfleet has to wake up to the reality, the galaxy doesn't revolve around it)
The STO Klingon Empire into gives the distinct impression of power..and of VICTORY!
"For too long we have turned our hearts from the path our father's laid." (peace with the Federation caused the Klingon Empire to stray off the path of our fathers, the path we are now back on, onward to glory!)
"I have watched you train, I have witnessed your prowess, your victory!" (The Empire is strong, Beks are trained in the art of war throughout their life, so the least in the Empire have been trained in war far better then the Federation ensigns.)
"Now.. it is your duty, your honor to serve the Empire." (The Heart of Virtue, the emblem of the Empire symbolizes Honor, Duty, and Loyalty, what does the Federation's emblem stand for?)
"Wipe the sleep from your eyes.. wake and remember the call of out fathers.." (Remember and do not forget lest we turn our hearts from the path of our fathers)
"You will be challenged.. you will know pain but you will not bend or break." (Klingons are fine with a stubbed toe, but not the Federation, they can't take a stubbed toe or indigestion)
"Fight with passion and earn your place in the halls of Sto'vo'kor." (Forward Warriors of the Empire, fight with such ferocious passion that the enemy will faint at the sight of their own blood!)
"By the blood of Kahless it will be GLORIOUS!" (By the blood of the Emperor we will be victorious, Honor to you, Warriors of the Empire, Glory to you, Warriors of the Empire, A place in Sto'vo'kor for the Warriors of the Empire!)
General Chang:
"Cry 'havoc!' and let slip the dogs of war!"
"Cry woe, destruction, ruin, and decay, the worst is death.. and death shall have his day."
Maybe it's time for the Federation to swallow it's pride and admit the existence of undine infiltrators and get a negotiated peace and re sign the khitomer accords to bring this stalemate of a war to a end, the Klingons give up their conquests in romulan space and the federation give some of eta eridani as a buffer zone.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
The Feds will never do anything sensible when the Feds are infiltrated by Undine themselves. Even after they discover a friggin' ADMIRAL in Starfleet was an Undine, nothing else is done about it, except in sending you to Romulan space to kill Romulans.
"Wait, how did that make sense?"
Obviously, killing Romulans is very much a valid course of action in finding the Undine within Starfleet and the Federation's ranks.
The Klingons had taken great (and bloody) pains in rooting out infiltrators, which could not have been a an easy or pretty task.
The decision makers might lose against the agression of Federation whining, and you will see awful lot of federation players in BoP flying happily in sectors.
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
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Daniels only knew what was going on in his own alternate future, which was altered numerous times by Archer after that so don't treat it like it's some kind of golden truth. Also, why would the Klingon Empire have its own Temporal Investigation service when it's part of the Federation? The Vulcans and Andorians don't have their own timeships either.;)
I never said that the RSA was not a pet faction. It very much is. It deserves its on faction and the KDF deserves to retain its own.
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About that particular episode:
First: I always try to point this out - like misterde3 already mentioned - what Daniels has shown Archer was one possible future that could be altered or completely destroyed by actions of pretty much anyone involved, even our own chars in STO. There's no guarantee that the events would unravel exactly the same as Daniels portrayed it, because a minor something that Archer would do could probably alter the outcome of that proposed future.
Second: If I remember the episode correctly, Daniels never says that the Klingon Empire is a part of the Federation. He says that there is an alliance fighting the Sphere Builders that is led by the Federation and even Klingons are a member. This doesn't mean that the Klingon Empire aplied to join the UFP, to me this sounds much more like the alliance during the Dominion war. There was an alliance led by the Federation and the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Star Empire were members of that alliance against the Dominion, but not members of the UFP.
And finally: When it comes to talking in STO's terms and the game's own lore we have the Temporal Lockbox that introduced 29-th century timeships - the Wells and the Korath (later also the R'mor). This shows that even in the 29-th century the Klingons are not a member of the UFP.
About the thread topic: I don't think things are grim and dark as sometimes people make it sound. They're just a bit more complicated. For example, I agree that the KDF pugs on events that need large teams are pretty dead. But we are Klingons, in STO we have always adapted and made it work.
The last few days I've done over a dozen Klingon Starbase Defenses, the entire line of Borg ground and space STFs with pure KDF team and even the Big Dig. All of that courtesy of the channels listed in the KDF channels list thread. A big thanks for the people on these channels organizing these runs, it has been a blast.
Yeah, it's not as easy as queuing up for a pug, but if you ask around for help there are always Klingon warriors ready to jump in for a battle. We just need to be more organized and things will get done, the pop in the KDF is far from being that low so you can't get a 20 man team.
Personally, I don't want to join the factions, I want to keep them as unique a flavor as possible. I don't need to crossfaction, because I have played KDF since the beginning and with some effort I can get teams for anything most of the time. And I don't want to go to ESD, that friggin' place is a <REDACTED>. I avoid going there even with my Feds., so I use the Captain's Table. And Kahless forbid there ever be Feds on Qo'noS!
I like the peace and quiet on Qo'noS where a newbie can ask a question and get genuine answers, when you can share in game experiences and advice and where I even saw teams for STFs and fleet events being formed in zone chat. Try forming a team on ESD zone chat.
Summary - it's not easy, but then it has never been very easy for the KDF. That's what makes us generally good players of STO - we adapt, learn, cooperate and squeeze our assets even beyond their limits.
To be KDF in STO is a genuine playstile. Qapla'!
You must know that klingon empire never will not live in the peace,they are warriors and they are live in war,they are not federation,to them not come vulcans,their culture based on war: destroy enemy or he will destroy you.
Klingon empire never will not live as federation planet,they are can't because they are warriors and they are can't live in friendship with federation.
I like your style, I agree Death to the Federation! I disagree with the OP, and I think what would "fix" the thought processes of Feds is Holding PVP challenges.
You want to turn the KDF into a sub-faction of the Feds, you want to fold our proud warriors into your ranks, you are like Borg you wish to assimilate us!
Seriously you idea is bad. If you played both sides maybe you would see. I have 3 Fed toons, I never played KDF until months after F2P I only made a KDF toon to collect the free ship we got before f2p launch.
Now I play KDF mostly, because mostly they have the coolest Doff missions, but then again I enjoy uncloaking behind a fed and lighting them up before battle cloaking out.
BTW, Defiant Battle Cloak won't help feds.
Hey, before you turn the idea down......... we have punch and pie
You mean, once the KDF faction is completed right???