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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Because that's a different franchise? :D

    I know the Voth are doing it as well blablabla. I'm always wondering why people want to play "Star Trek Online" for all their Mechwarrior, Mass Effect and Wing Commander needs ;)
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Because that's a different franchise? :D

    I know the Voth are doing it as well blablabla. I'm always wondering why people want to play "Star Trek Online" for all their Mechwarrior, Mass Effect and Wing Commander needs ;)

    Yeah, it is puzzling isn't it?

    I'm just waiting for the moment someone will seriously ask for a flying broomstick, commanding a dragon in space, Science Kit - Magic Mk XII and Magic Wand Mk XII ranged weapon.
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  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I guess the reason for not having a mech is that its just plain silly and have you ever tried to get players to actually coordinate properly? Most of us would just keep ending up on our rear ends.

    http://www.sfxb.co.uk/mecha/daix.html

    Link to Starfleet Mech ^^

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  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited October 2013
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Because that's a different franchise? :D

    I know the Voth are doing it as well blablabla. I'm always wondering why people want to play "Star Trek Online" for all their Mechwarrior, Mass Effect and Wing Commander needs ;)

    So large dinosaurs with frickin' lasers on their heads is this franchise?? And running around on foot shooting giant dinosaurs with said lasers on their heads alone with large power armored mechs in the hands of the enemy is somehow star trek? No it's the same old lame ground stuff this game is known for!! By not adding New toys for players to use on the ground it will be as lame as before. What is the harm in having players operate in power armored suits? It makes a heck of a lot more sense and would attract more people to it.

    Also people go to see dinosaurs chasing/chomping/stepping on people -NOT firing lasers from their heads!! It Cryptic does not add traditional dinosaur behaviour to these npc's it will turn lots of people off. You ever seen anything dinosaur related where they did not try to eat the people? Barney does not count!
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    So large dinosaurs with frickin' lasers on their heads is this franchise?? And running around on foot shooting giant dinosaurs with said lasers on their heads alone with large power armored mechs in the hands of the enemy is somehow star trek? No it's the same old lame ground stuff this game is known for!! By not adding New toys for players to use on the ground it will be as lame as before. What is the harm in having players operate in power armored suits? It makes a heck of a lot more sense and would attract more people to it.

    Also people go to see dinosaurs chasing/chomping/stepping on people -NOT firing lasers from their heads!! It Cryptic does not add traditional dinosaur behaviour to these npc's it will turn lots of people off. You ever seen anything dinosaur related where they did not try to eat the people? Barney does not count!

    What's your point? :confused:

    So because you think the devs. added something that does not spell Star Trek to you, you think it's gloves off for anything anyone could imagine putting in the game? Are you ok with Harry Potter in STO, with flying broomsticks and magical kits?
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  • blackwing78blackwing78 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    Yeah, it is puzzling isn't it?

    I'm just waiting for the moment someone will seriously ask for a flying broomstick, commanding a dragon in space, Science Kit - Magic Mk XII and Magic Wand Mk XII ranged weapon.

    Sounds good to me Harry Potter meets Star Trek, abracadabra run borgs run.
  • jkwrangler2010jkwrangler2010 Member Posts: 263 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I want a Gundam!
  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited October 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    What's your point? :confused:

    So because you think the devs. added something that does not spell Star Trek to you, you think it's gloves off for anything anyone could imagine putting in the game? Are you ok with Harry Potter in STO, with flying broomsticks and magical kits?

    What you keep missing is that most players hate ground combat in this game. There are zero interesting options. Don't you think letting players fight these dinosaurs in heavy power armor would add something more interesting then the same old stuff? So we should just go down with the same old shield, combat armor, kit and rifle? Sorry that will be a fail in my opinion.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    What you keep missing is that most players hate ground combat in this game. There are zero interesting options. Don't you think letting players fight these dinosaurs in heavy power armor would add something more interesting then the same old stuff? So we should just go down with the same old shield, combat armor, kit and rifle? Sorry that will be a fail in my opinion.

    I guess you're missing the point that the people don't like ground for other reasons, not for not having battlemechs.

    So you basically want to play another game, but instead of doing so you'd rather turn STO in that other game? Well, that would be a fail in my opinion.
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  • blackwing78blackwing78 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    What you keep missing is that most players hate ground combat in this game. There are zero interesting options. Don't you think letting players fight these dinosaurs in heavy power armor would add something more interesting then the same old stuff? So we should just go down with the same old shield, combat armor, kit and rifle? Sorry that will be a fail in my opinion.

    Then call me insane because i do like ground combat, not saying that it could not need some love but i like it still, but that has nothing to do with wanting mechwarrior suits, such a game already exists.

    On a side note it would be quiet a bore if everyone would be liking the same things.
  • captbiptocaptbipto Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    On behalf of His Majesty's Atomic Space Navy...

    Fires of Armageddon Dominion Wars sourcebook for Star Trek RPG. Had some information regarding the various tactics, equipment etc.. That each of the major races used during the Dominion Wars.

    If the Voth bring in those heavy hitting dinosaurs. Why not have us deploy Disruptor Tanks, Skimmers, and lots of new heavy weapons. Seems one-sided to have them have all the big guns. We could initiate Attack Pattern Zapp Brannigan, sending wave after wave of red shirts at them. These dinomechs might have a built in kill count!

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  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited October 2013
    Then call me insane because i do like ground combat, not saying that it could not need some love but i like it still, but that has nothing to do with wanting mechwarrior suits, such a game already exists.

    On a side note it would be quiet a bore if everyone would be liking the same things.

    Adding a new enemy to fight in ground does not make it any more attractive as Nukara failed pretty badly. So how would you suggest they change things so that this dinosaur thing does not suffer the same fate?
  • blackwing78blackwing78 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Adding some SW-Walker wont either, and i wont suggest anything (I maybe would but i have too much experience to think my words would reach anything but deaf ears), the Dev's are very well aware that ground combat is not very attractive to the majority, the "if", "how", and "when" is exactly what they are getting paid for.
  • kriskniveskrisknives Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Game Thoughts:
    STO needs to improve its ground and really improve shuttle combat before it considers adding whole new combat types to the game. Perhaps integrating the two so you could fly a shuttle across the map and then deploy an away team might be a good way to go. I wouldn't want them to consider something like this unless they were going to devote at least a small team of developers just to the project to ensure something new like this would be well developed, robust, balanced and not just slapped together even if they could find a way to make this feel like part of the Star Trek universe. It would probably need to be a major focus of a whole season to really do it right.

    I really think adding tanks or something similar to the game would be a bad direction to go, as the vehicles were always one of the worse parts of mass effect. If they were going to add power armor I'd like to see it added for combat on Non-M Class planets or Deep space missions where space suits would be required anyway.

    Star Trek thoughts:
    A major practical reason they don't use power armor in STO has always been that phasers and the like make it pretty worthless. Armor won't protect you from a phase blast which as been consistently shown to casually disintegrate all standard materials unless shielded. Anything that power armor could do a shuttle craft could generally do better. Shuttle craft are already basically utility tanks with shields, phasers, transporters, replicators etc. etc. What benefit would be a set of armor or a tank that can't fly possible provide most situations that a shuttle can't? The reasons the tholeans have power armor is because they can't live in conditions under 300 degrees and need full encounter suits not for any combat advantage.

    It seems to be like it would only be applicable in very specific situations where for some reason you couldn't take a shuttle. The dune buggy sequences in Nemesis were a pretty lame excuse to add more action to the film and to appease Patrick Stewart who is a fan of dune buggies. In any other situations they would have just done a fly over with a shuttle and beamed up bits of B4.

    I think thematically Star Trek has always avoided power armor to keep itself different from other scifi series like Warhammer, Star Ship Trooper for which power armor and tanks are very iconic and closely associated. Up until the movies Star Trek had its own very distinct design philosophy to make sure everything in the ST universe looked distinctly and uniquely Star Trek. Although since we have the Mass Effect style body armor and now Anime like Cyber-Dinos I think it is safe to say this isn't something the game is as concerned about as the shows were.
  • martin1970giesenmartin1970giesen Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Im the captain of my ship so i got myself some mech's.
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    Lets me kick some dino but with those.
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  • gthaatargthaatar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    There's a reason people stopped wearing plate armor when guns were invented.
  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited October 2013
    gthaatar wrote: »
    There's a reason people stopped wearing plate armor when guns were invented.

    And you think your personal shield or combat armor is going to be pretty effective when the 7 ton T-Rex decides to snap you up in its teeth or step on you?? Because that's what those types of large caurnosaurs do!!!
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    And you think your personal shield or combat armor is going to be pretty effective when the 7 ton T-Rex decides to snap you up in its teeth or step on you?? Because that's what those types of large caurnosaurs do!!!

    Gameplaywise I think you can beat them with a white Mk II stun phaser ;)

    Non-Gameplaywise: Shoot a photon torpedo in it's face. Or stun it with a phaser sweep :D Hell, you can beat up the freaking DEVIL with your KDF chracters by meleeing his crotch. Why should those dinos be any different? ;)
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    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    And you think your personal shield or combat armor is going to be pretty effective when the 7 ton T-Rex decides to snap you up in its teeth or step on you?? Because that's what those types of large caurnosaurs do!!!
    Maybe you should fight these dino-pets on Tribble before engaging in rampant speculation? :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • tonyalmeida2tonyalmeida2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Because that's a different franchise? :D

    I know the Voth are doing it as well blablabla. I'm always wondering why people want to play "Star Trek Online" for all their Mechwarrior, Mass Effect and Wing Commander needs ;)

    Cause theres no mass effect mmo and the new mass effect won't be out for awhile. Not to mention ground sucks TRIBBLE in this game.

    Imo they should just turn ground combat in this game into a fps with fps mechanics. Make it so when you spec a character you don't have to choose either ground or space. Same thing with traits.
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  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited October 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Maybe you should fight these dino-pets on Tribble before engaging in rampant speculation? :)

    Can you play against them on tribble yet? And if so do they display what would be considered reasonable behaviour?

    Edit: watched a long video of the ground battles and did not see the dinosaurs doing any "normal" dinosaur behaviour like attacking with their large mouths or size -- just standing their firing frickin' lasers from their heads. Sorry that is not what I expect dinosaurs to do - they need to be MUCH more aggressive.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Then call me insane because i do like ground combat, not saying that it could not need some love but i like it still, but that has nothing to do with wanting mechwarrior suits, such a game already exists.

    On a side note it would be quiet a bore if everyone would be liking the same things.
    Ditto... I LOVE my Nanopulse batleths. :D It's fun dismembering Voth with them. :D

    If I could use a Mecha in ground combat it'd do it. :D I've almost managed to complete the purple Defera mission solo. the one part that I couldn't quite pull off was this fight where you have to kill two Elite Tactical Drones.... 1 ETD is easy.... 2? that is a challenge.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Can you play against them on tribble yet? And if so do they display what would be considered reasonable behaviour?

    Edit: watched a long video of the ground battles and did not see the dinosaurs doing any "normal" dinosaur behaviour like attacking with their large mouths or size -- just standing their firing frickin' lasers from their heads. Sorry that is not what I expect dinosaurs to do - they need to be MUCH more aggressive.
    Since we don't really know exactly what is a "normal" behaviour for a dinosaur, it's quite difficult to tell.
    On tribble, so far, we have 2 kind of dinos. The small "raptor" like, and the big T rex like. The small ones use their gun about half the time, otherwise, they have a more "normal" behaviour (grabbing you on the ground, jumping on you...). The T rex are ranged fighters, and as long as you don't try to melee them, they'll pew pew you. On melee, they use heavy KB (from the head, or tail), mostly.
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  • mondoidmondoid Member Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Why Battlemechs? Hoverbikes with gun attachments could work just as well.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=930&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1680&bih=878&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=hover+attack+bikes&oq=hover+attack+bikes&gs_l=img.3...1590.10565.0.10928.10.5.4.1.2.0.170.721.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.29.img..7.3.172.IR7rO_UudBQ

    There are tons of them in every scifi series/game/movie, Nemesis had an attack buggy so a motorcycle version would be easier to replicate. Neverwinter and CO both have vehicles (horse could count as a vehicle) would it be so difficult to add some to the game?
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    mondoid wrote: »
    Why Battlemechs? Hoverbikes with gun attachments could work just as well.

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&hs=930&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1680&bih=878&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=hover+attack+bikes&oq=hover+attack+bikes&gs_l=img.3...1590.10565.0.10928.10.5.4.1.2.0.170.721.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.29.img..7.3.172.IR7rO_UudBQ

    There are tons of them in every scifi series/game/movie, Nemesis had an attack buggy so a motorcycle version would be easier to replicate. Neverwinter and CO both have vehicles (horse could count as a vehicle) would it be so difficult to add some to the game?
    Based on what Geko said in the latest interview, attacking from riding animals or riding vehicles would be a problem for STO as the code wasn't originally written for that and it would take quite a bit of work to make that possible. Mechs aren't a problem because it's really just about you switching forms, just as you do when you go to space and turn into your ship.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • captainpirkocaptainpirko Member Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    the only issue i have with them adding dinosaurs into STO is that starfleet is sending ground troops in weak little armor suits that sometimes doesnt hold up against the borg, against large dinos with lazers, and then we've got even tougher mechs that quote "turn the ground beneath their target to molten lava"? have fun fighting that in maco! dont wear any red!

    and to everyone saying "dinos in STO isnt canon" well, guess what, you're not the one that decides what is and isnt canon. it happens to be Paramount that decides that. and apparently they havent objected to it so far. star trek is about "exploring STRANGE new worlds". not about "re-texturing the world from the last episode to appear new". eventually starfleet would find a race that isnt a human with funny ears/nose/forehead, and i'm glad to see star trek online actually doing it. maybe we will have giant cats, and dragons, and werewolves, what's wrong with that? 'because such things dont exist in the universe'? and who made you the expert?
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Cause theres no mass effect mmo and the new mass effect won't be out for awhile. Not to mention ground sucks TRIBBLE in this game.

    Ah, so there won't be a Mass Effect for a while therefore let's turn STO into Mass Effect while we wait. :rolleyes:
    Edit: watched a long video of the ground battles and did not see the dinosaurs doing any "normal" dinosaur behaviour like attacking with their large mouths or size -- just standing their firing frickin' lasers from their heads. Sorry that is not what I expect dinosaurs to do - they need to be MUCH more aggressive.

    Well, they are bio-engineered dinosaurs as the Devs. said, so their behavior would be pretty much what the Voth want it to be. This is not just your plain dinosaur, if it were like that they would probably attack the Voth as well, behaving like normal dinosaurs and all.
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  • tonyalmeida2tonyalmeida2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    Ah, so there won't be a Mass Effect for a while therefore let's turn STO into Mass Effect while we wait. :rolleyes:



    Well, they are bio-engineered dinosaurs as the Devs. said, so their behavior would be pretty much what the Voth want it to be. This is not just your plain dinosaur, if it were like that they would probably attack the Voth as well, behaving like normal dinosaurs and all.

    Considering like I said ground in this game is complete garbage, turning ground combat into mass effect would be a huge improvement. They already took a dump on the IP, so no reason not to keep going.
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  • kriskniveskrisknives Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    and to everyone saying "dinos in STO isnt canon" well, guess what, you're not the one that decides what is and isnt canon. it happens to be Paramount that decides that. and apparently they havent objected to it so far. star trek is about "exploring STRANGE new worlds"

    Well as they say, "there are no bad ideas, just bad executions". There have certainly been stranger ideas that he become iconic and beloved parts of Star Trek. However the "just throw it in there because it is AWESOME" attitude is what worries a lot of people. From the screenshots so far these look more like something from Doctor Who than Star Trek and those two series have very different styles. I think people just want to make sure these strange new dinos have that unique Trek feel to them.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    the only issue i have with them adding dinosaurs into STO is that starfleet is sending ground troops in weak little armor suits that sometimes doesnt hold up against the borg, against large dinos with lazers, and then we've got even tougher mechs that quote "turn the ground beneath their target to molten lava"? have fun fighting that in maco! dont wear any red!

    and to everyone saying "dinos in STO isnt canon" well, guess what, you're not the one that decides what is and isnt canon. it happens to be Paramount that decides that. and apparently they havent objected to it so far. star trek is about "exploring STRANGE new worlds". not about "re-texturing the world from the last episode to appear new". eventually starfleet would find a race that isnt a human with funny ears/nose/forehead, and i'm glad to see star trek online actually doing it. maybe we will have giant cats, and dragons, and werewolves, what's wrong with that? 'because such things dont exist in the universe'? and who made you the expert?

    They don't disagree because they make a share in the money, and as for canon species! Hell let's all go the path of WOW and add in some trolls, orcs, goblins, gnolls......etc!
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