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dirtyharib0
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With no tournaments in progress or in the pipeline I've decided that now would be a good time to try an idea I have been brewing for a while now. Whilst I plan on deciding how the tournament will be run, as the name suggests, the rules will be decided by the players themselves.
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On the 26th there will be a players meeting where captains will list a starting team of 5 players and cast a vote on each item on the list. Votes will be counted and a format anounced. we will then randomise the teams for the first round. ( registration and votes can be handed in before if being available at this time is an issue)
I will be vetting rules suggestions based on one thing. Can it be enforced?
No scramble doffs, the buff shows easily spotted.
No romulan boffs. Good luck actaully proving it.
Feel free to suggest pretty much anything you feel shouldn't be played, you don't need to explain why.
Players will have a week to arrange their matches and report the results. I will make a channel to help with this but feel free to get in touch however you like. A new round will be announced each saterday.
2 points will be given for a win and one point each for a draw with no points awarded for a draw. Tie breakers will be worked out as follows: deaths of the winning team worked out as a percentage of the total deaths then multiplying by 100 to reach a solid number.
Eg a team wins 15/5, a total of 20 deathes. Giving the winning team a tie break of 5/20 or 25% and the loosing team 75%.
Your tie break points will be totalled after each round and will be kept next to your points on the standings. If you end up playing a team with less points then chances are they have the highest tiebreak in there bracket and yours the lowest in yours.
Still ironing out details and will do a full rewrite of this when I'm not on my phone between jobs.
Dates and finer points coming soon.
The point of this event is to hopefully avoid a lot of the bickering over the rules and arguments about what is or isn't broken. There are plenty of threads on this forum about what People think is broken and what isn't so please keep those kinds of discussions there and leave this uncluttered.
Okay. Rules suggestion: No disruptors. We can tell when you're using them. That makes the rule fit the sole criteria for acceptance.
Well, the other criteria is that the players have to AGREE on the rule.
If you read between the lines the section you calling into question says "if you know it's a stupid suggestion then it might be best to keep it to yourself for personal LoLs"
That being said if you genuinely feel disrupters ruin pvp, and you actaully want to play in this event please include it on suggestions.
I once had an idea where
> Each team nominates 1 representative.
> Each team signing up would be allowed a number of "vote points".
Each point could be used to either:
A) Request an item be banned.
*Optional rule: more than 1 vote point can be used on one issue, up to a maximum of 3.
The number of points would be kept small, say 5 to 7, per team.
Just tossing this out there, I'm not suggesting you actually use this.
It was just something brewing in the back of my head as I've watched all these other tournaments argue back and forth over rules.
In this manner, everyone gets a handful of votes but they need to make them count. They can't vote/veto endlessly.
Regardless, good luck with hosting this tournament. I hope it's a successful one.
I say "we" i of course mean "I" - our team will appear from a week or two of verbal abuse, dares, bribes, favors and general misdirection :P
Either way, we're in!
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
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Now to get these guys to show up. :P
These 'gentleman's rules' may even inspire Cryptic to consider what the pvp community truly wants out of the PVP experience, and they may even begin to realize that what we want is a good time, and most of us are willing to invest in fun. Read: CRYPTIC: Balanced, Competitive PVP = $$$. Not one of us on this forum cant smash any pve content you design with a t4 ship and white mk x's.
Lets begin with a format like this:
Skill: FBP - Out.
Reason: Punishing a player for engaging in battle with another player by dealing damage to them exponentially proportionate to the damage they deal is poor design. FBP in tandem with skills such as RSP + Back-Step/Quantum Bubble/Ablative Armor/Cloak etc provides players with an opportunity to have near 100% uptime on immunity to aggression against them, making it less of player vs player, and more player vs cool-down timers. Until there are seperate mechnics for pvp/pve for feedback pulse's damage magnitude potential, I consider the skill completely bad-mannered, and unsportsman-like.
Skill: Temporal inversion Field - In.
Reason: I choose this skill as okay to get the ball rolling on rational discourse on the subject, I know my friend Ulti will have something to say on it, and I know the skill has presented a bone of contention among pvp'ers. Additionally, this argument represents personal taste - I Love Temporal Toys, and I will argue to have them allowed. we all have tricks we like to use, TIF is mine. - Fact is, there are way too many counters to TIF to consider it a damning Force Multiplier, and each team composition should be prepared to bring skills to the table that interrupt channeled abilities. TIF, and temporal ships in general represent a revenue generating source for cryptic which keeps the servers online, and allows us to keep comming back to the game we like to play, banning such a lucrative ability would only hurt STO in my opinion. - I would however consider the possibility of limiting the amount of temporal ships fielded by a single team, to avpid TIF chains which can be potentially game breaking if executed by the most coordinated teams - Wouldnt you agree, -FS- ?
Skill: Plasma Cloud Spam (VTR/EWP/Yellowstone) - Out
Reason - this one is pretty cut and dry - The game client can not render them with 100% reliability, and invariably you WILL run into warp plasma that you had no idea was there, no matter what machine you have. My computer can play the game at max settings, but it simply will not render cload spam after a point. - Until Warp plasma can be reliably rendered (like the Thalaron cloud can, comon Cryptic, I know you can fix this) - for every player - it is definately Bad Manners to use Warp Cloud spewing abilities.
I have provided the skills, and the reasons why, it is up to you gentleman to consider my points, counter them with your own, and come to an agreement.
Keep the arguments civil, and be as precise and logical as you can, consider Fair Play, and the fact that STO is a business, and P2W is a fact of life - P2W = Pay to keep the game alive.
We will debate the abilities here, and the event coordinator form WPVP4F will compile the issues to present to a committee made up of representatives from each fleet who demonstrate the interest in taking STO pvp to the next level.
While I dont endorse 'no tac teams' I definately catch the point - Endless games are no fun. I submit that the Recluse is just way too good of a healer to include more then one of them per team. - ther simply isnt a better ship in the game to fill the healer role, and two of them are totally overpowered. It has been my experience that teams with more them one Recluse healing are way too fortified. - 2x 15 second cooldowns on Aux2sif3 from ships running 130 aux augmented by 2x hanger bays, godly shield/hull modifiers and a healers dream Boff layout = OP. - the healing that 2 recluse can put out is greater then the damage that 3 tacs can deal.
Summary - 1 Recluse per team.
?!?
Normally I'd only pipe up if I 100% intended to join the tourney, but since you mentioned my name...:P
Out of curiosity, outside of the debuff Icon, TIF is not visible either (if I'm having a lapse of memory and it does have a graphic, I apologize in advance)
Doesn't that fit a similar definition? An AoE that you can't see at all?
EWP also has one of the most ubiquitous heals as it's cleanse.
Regardless, pwe/cryptic marketing is sure to love rules that ban free powers but allow 600 lobi store ones.
Anyway, I'll bow out here. RL is keeping me too busy these days to do basic pvp much less a tourney.
Happy to chat with you in-game about it anytime though pulse, and nice to see you logging on again.
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
I will be clearing up the way that teams will register and how players not registerd will be able to play for a team.
Anyway thoughts and feed back wanted
There is a graphic, almost identical to scattering field. A bit too similar in my opinion
I like the games each week ever since my 'league/season' idea.
If teams are to make their own aggangements, there would have to be a time limit, which your dedication to the tournament would ensure. Not aranging the match in time would result in a forfeit.
I dont like the idea of match time limits, makes it too easy for teams to blow their collective loads and then turtle behind boff swaps, cloaks, etc. The alternative however is just as undesireable. - I think limiting the teams use of Recluse carriers may help, or carefully weighing the impact of certain skills like warp plasma and FBP which can slow down the pace of the game.
You do realize that Feedback Pulse only affects Energy Weapons, right? Anyone using a torpedo boat can attack and kill a Feedback Pulse build with relative impunity. Using an ability to counter Tactical escort and Tactical cruiser burst damage is not unsportsman-like at all. Not to mention a single subnuke activation will ruin Feedback Pulse chaining.
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So in short I think I'm going to cancel this one and go back to the drawing board with this, try and figure out what it is went wrong here. I'm thinking that the format didn't seem intuitive or simple, or maybe without a big fleet behind it or a well known player headlining it there was no confidence in it. Could easily be that I write like a ten year old, nothing ever seems to read the way it sounded in my head.
I will have another try at this in the near future, need to streamline things, make sure it reads well....maybe try to TRIBBLE of everybody equally rather than the impossible of pleasing everyone.
an open discussion for a rule set will (always) end in a big happy troll-event.