He wants a KDF battlecruiser with battlecloak :rolleyes: . Normally, I would say the factions should fly differently and all that, but what I'm hearing about the avenger plus Cryptic's insatiable appetite for ruining canon at the expense of sales, it looks like the feds are getting a cloaking battlecruiser so Romulans should get a proper one as well. Import D7 hull as the baseline, that actually has some canon behind it. Fed cloaking battlecruiser, not so much.
I'd have to agree that factions should fly, be equipped or rather have different "kits" to be installed. Though in this game, the ships are set for "plug and play" with whatever weapons, consoles, engineers, shields, and what not. This "customizability" in some ways erodes the differences between factions but can make some very effective (and in some cases, rather lacking) combinations depending on what you're trying to do.
The only thing "wrong" with the D'deridex I found was the turning radius. But then again, I prefer escorts and destroyers... so that's more so "playing style" than anything else. It is however with the singularity abilities (not to mention cloaking) better than the Galaxy that you use on the Federation side when you're at that level.
Back on topic, I thought the Galaxy Class Dreadnought or Odyssey class were the Federation battlecruisers.
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Yeah, there's the Mogai, Dhelan, and now the Ar'kif to choose from. Sure they're not 8 weapons ships(only 7) but.... they get the job done.
And as has been pointed out several times, the D'D is a heavy cruiser more than a battlecruiser. You could try out Haakona separation though.... I'm not sure exactly how it works though, I've never really tried it.
Yeah, there's the Mogai, Dhelan, and now the Ar'kif to choose from. Sure they're not 8 weapons ships(only 7) but.... they get the job done.
And as has been pointed out several times, the D'D is a heavy cruiser more than a battlecruiser. You could try out Haakona separation though.... I'm not sure exactly how it works though, I've never really tried it.
haakona is actually not bad. like 3 ships in one. jack of all trades, master of none.
there however some problems with this ship. that is you get respawned without the other part, which leaves the other part floating disabled somewhere and relative long cooldown on separation in case you need to reactivate separated section. and stupid AI chasing stuff all the way across the map instead of following and aiding you. it annoys like hell.
Yes, let's just hand out the Fleet Tork'hat for everyone, but with BATTLECLOAKS instead :rolleyes:
I think the new Fed version will come with a Hanger.
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Yeah, there's the Mogai, Dhelan, and now the Ar'kif to choose from. Sure they're not 8 weapons ships(only 7) but.... they get the job done.
And as has been pointed out several times, the D'D is a heavy cruiser more than a battlecruiser. You could try out Haakona separation though.... I'm not sure exactly how it works though, I've never really tried it.
The Haakona is a strange but interesting beast. You look at the base turn rate stat of 5, and I'm sure most A.D.D. afflicted players in STO today would balk at that stat:
"OMG, a turn rate of less than 15! WTH is Cryptic THINKING!!!!J!JL!@%JTRL"
However, the ship is quite flexible and that is due primarily to 2 things about it.
1. Dual Vector Separation Console - Choosing either Guardian (less offense, more defense) or Assault (less tanky, more weapons power, better handling) both grant increased maneuvering, most especially so with Assault mode.
2. LtCdr Universal BOFF Station - The Haakona is not the first to have a LtCdr Universal outside of BOPs, but it gives tremendous flexibility for this ship. You can go either TAC, ENG, or even SCI, but TAC or ENG will be better supported by the Console layout of the ship. The existing, fixed BOFF stations will amply support either of the 3 choices, but again, TAC or ENG have good supporting BOFF stations to go with it.
These 2 things allow the player to have quite alot of flexibility in building and playing the ship. The Dual Vector Console is a game changer for the ship since it greatly alters how the ship plays in standard, Guardian, or Assault modes. It's a far bigger difference in play than even the Prometheus' Multi Vector Console.
Lastly, owning the Haakona makes the Fleet Ha'apax cheaper to purchase.
As outlined in this thread compiling a list of cruisers and related ships, Romulans captains have a choice of at least six very different cruisers/tanks/... (call it according to your tastes, they might be labelled as "warbirds" by the game, which doesn't say much).
(1) The Ha'akona and its fleet version, the Fleet Ha'apax (with the separation console as a bonus ; its usefulness is well explained above).
(2) The Fleet Mogai, a destroyer that might look closer to an escort than to a cruiser, but it can tank everything the game will throw at you (the same can be said about the Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier, available to all factions).
(3) The Scimitar (especially the tactical version).
(4) The Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser (available to all factions including the Romulans).
(5) The Monbosh, or the Galor (or even a D'Kora), a classical cruiser setup with an ideal distribution of bridge officers and consoles.
(6) The Jem'Hadar Dreadnought, a heavy carrier with a lot of offensive potential.
In this list, I'm quite sure anyone will find a ship fitting his own definition of "Battle Cruiser". This diversity is indeed quite surprising and unmatched by other factions.
As outlined in this thread compiling a list of cruisers and related ships, Romulans captains have a choice of at least six very different cruisers/tanks/... (call it according to your tastes, they might be labelled as "warbirds" by the game, which doesn't say much).
(1) The Ha'akona and its fleet version, the Fleet Ha'apax (with the separation console as a bonus ; its usefulness is well explained above).
(2) The Fleet Mogai, a destroyer that might look closer to an escort than to a cruiser, but it can tank everything the game will throw at you (the same can be said about the Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier, available to all factions).
(3) The Scimitar (especially the tactical version).
(4) The Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser (available to all factions including the Romulans).
(5) The Monbosh, or the Galor (or even a D'Kora), a classical cruiser setup with an ideal distribution of bridge officers and consoles.
(6) The Jem'Hadar Dreadnought, a heavy carrier with a lot of offensive potential.
In this list, I'm quite sure anyone will find a ship fitting his own definition of "Battle Cruiser". This diversity is indeed quite surprising and unmatched by other factions.
Doesnt help us in the science department, though =P
Ya, the D'D has a dream BOFF and console layout for lame duck cruiser like the Galaxy and if you want a "Battlecruiser" the Scimitar has some of the most insane stats if a ship of its size (right now highest DPS potential, higher than even the Bortasqu' Tactical Cruiser).
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Doesnt help us in the science department, though =P
I tend to... agree with you . I initiated a similar thread about science vessels, and I have to admit that there is no worthy specific science vessel for the Romulan faction (one that would compare with the Aventine or, in another style, with the Fleet Vo'Quv, for example).
This being said, there is a wide choice of science vessels among Lobi ships : temporal science vessels, Recluse Carrier, Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser,... These are available to all factions, including the Romulans. Also, Romulan scientific captain have access to the arguably best escort for science captains : the Fleet T'Varo. They also have access to the Scimitar, a perfectly suitable ship for a scientific captain (listen to the universal Lt-Cmd slot... don't you hear it say "assign me to science" ?).
All in all, I find it a pity that there is no typical science vessel in the Romulan faction, *but* I don't find that there are grounds to complain about a lack of choice for the Romulan scientific captain.
This looks like I've been diverted from the original topic, but it was only a digression to come to my main point. The Tal Shiar Battle Cruiser and the Scimitar are very flexible ships available to Romulans (and to Romulans only for the Scimitar). Both can be considered as "Battle Cruisers" with the right choice of equipment. Both can be flown by captains of all three professions (a tactical captain on the Tal Shiar Battle Cruiser is the worst fit of all six, and yet it can't be bad). The Scimitar has the added bonus of being a flight-deck cruiser as well ; on the other hand, the Tal Shiar Battle Cruiser will benefit from the (most welcome) forthcoming update for cruisers.
Among other options, these two ships offer a wide diversity of possibilities for the cruiser-lovers.
I think the new Fed version will come with a Hanger.
It has already been stated in the thread for the avenger that it will not have a hangar. Additionally, it is a battle cruiser giving it three of the new cruiser aura abilities, if it had a hangar it would be a flight deck cruiser and would only get two.
I am not sure it even comes with a cloak, the preliminary indication is that it can equip a cloak (standard, non-battle cloak) if you have a defiant or a gal-x to take it from unless it comes with a cloak console as well as the 'variable auto targeting armament' to be it's version of a 'lance'.
Edit: It's actually gone on to redshirt for all to see, it doesn't come with a cloak, it can equip one from the gal-x or defiant as a console synergy with its "vata" console.
@wrathofachilles I said that before we knew it's stats. I was wrong about it having a Hanger and right about it being a better version of the Tor'Kaht.
It doesn't come with the cloaking console but it can use one. It's Console fires special projectiles that attack based on what Cruiser command your in.
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i think it would be nice if we could get it from the temporal ambassador mission i mean what Romulan wants to fly around in a ambassador class starship (considering we also send the crew of that ship to be killed by us anyway):D
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i think it would be nice if we could get it from the temporal ambassador mission i mean what Romulan wants to fly around in a ambassador class starship (considering we also send the crew of that ship to be killed by us anyway):D
The lvl 50 versions are great support ships. The Kamarag in particular is one of the better battlecruisers.
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The only thing "wrong" with the D'deridex I found was the turning radius. But then again, I prefer escorts and destroyers... so that's more so "playing style" than anything else. It is however with the singularity abilities (not to mention cloaking) better than the Galaxy that you use on the Federation side when you're at that level.
Back on topic, I thought the Galaxy Class Dreadnought or Odyssey class were the Federation battlecruisers.
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Don't you already have a massive battlecruiser with a whopping great big DEATH RAY on it?
Why do the romulans need more tactical focused ships?!
And as has been pointed out several times, the D'D is a heavy cruiser more than a battlecruiser. You could try out Haakona separation though.... I'm not sure exactly how it works though, I've never really tried it.
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pretty much like on the MVAE.
there however some problems with this ship. that is you get respawned without the other part, which leaves the other part floating disabled somewhere and relative long cooldown on separation in case you need to reactivate separated section. and stupid AI chasing stuff all the way across the map instead of following and aiding you. it annoys like hell.
Make it happen or Cryptic hates Romulans forever.
So Romulans don't just have big ships, but big names.
I think the new Fed version will come with a Hanger.
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I think they're over compensating for something.
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The Haakona is a strange but interesting beast. You look at the base turn rate stat of 5, and I'm sure most A.D.D. afflicted players in STO today would balk at that stat:
"OMG, a turn rate of less than 15! WTH is Cryptic THINKING!!!!J!JL!@%JTRL"
However, the ship is quite flexible and that is due primarily to 2 things about it.
1. Dual Vector Separation Console - Choosing either Guardian (less offense, more defense) or Assault (less tanky, more weapons power, better handling) both grant increased maneuvering, most especially so with Assault mode.
2. LtCdr Universal BOFF Station - The Haakona is not the first to have a LtCdr Universal outside of BOPs, but it gives tremendous flexibility for this ship. You can go either TAC, ENG, or even SCI, but TAC or ENG will be better supported by the Console layout of the ship. The existing, fixed BOFF stations will amply support either of the 3 choices, but again, TAC or ENG have good supporting BOFF stations to go with it.
These 2 things allow the player to have quite alot of flexibility in building and playing the ship. The Dual Vector Console is a game changer for the ship since it greatly alters how the ship plays in standard, Guardian, or Assault modes. It's a far bigger difference in play than even the Prometheus' Multi Vector Console.
Lastly, owning the Haakona makes the Fleet Ha'apax cheaper to purchase.
(1) The Ha'akona and its fleet version, the Fleet Ha'apax (with the separation console as a bonus ; its usefulness is well explained above).
(2) The Fleet Mogai, a destroyer that might look closer to an escort than to a cruiser, but it can tank everything the game will throw at you (the same can be said about the Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier, available to all factions).
(3) The Scimitar (especially the tactical version).
(4) The Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser (available to all factions including the Romulans).
(5) The Monbosh, or the Galor (or even a D'Kora), a classical cruiser setup with an ideal distribution of bridge officers and consoles.
(6) The Jem'Hadar Dreadnought, a heavy carrier with a lot of offensive potential.
In this list, I'm quite sure anyone will find a ship fitting his own definition of "Battle Cruiser". This diversity is indeed quite surprising and unmatched by other factions.
Doesnt help us in the science department, though =P
Why not Heavy Assault Mega for the Romulans to get a big HAM Warbird?
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I tend to... agree with you . I initiated a similar thread about science vessels, and I have to admit that there is no worthy specific science vessel for the Romulan faction (one that would compare with the Aventine or, in another style, with the Fleet Vo'Quv, for example).
This being said, there is a wide choice of science vessels among Lobi ships : temporal science vessels, Recluse Carrier, Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser,... These are available to all factions, including the Romulans. Also, Romulan scientific captain have access to the arguably best escort for science captains : the Fleet T'Varo. They also have access to the Scimitar, a perfectly suitable ship for a scientific captain (listen to the universal Lt-Cmd slot... don't you hear it say "assign me to science" ?).
All in all, I find it a pity that there is no typical science vessel in the Romulan faction, *but* I don't find that there are grounds to complain about a lack of choice for the Romulan scientific captain.
This looks like I've been diverted from the original topic, but it was only a digression to come to my main point. The Tal Shiar Battle Cruiser and the Scimitar are very flexible ships available to Romulans (and to Romulans only for the Scimitar). Both can be considered as "Battle Cruisers" with the right choice of equipment. Both can be flown by captains of all three professions (a tactical captain on the Tal Shiar Battle Cruiser is the worst fit of all six, and yet it can't be bad). The Scimitar has the added bonus of being a flight-deck cruiser as well ; on the other hand, the Tal Shiar Battle Cruiser will benefit from the (most welcome) forthcoming update for cruisers.
Among other options, these two ships offer a wide diversity of possibilities for the cruiser-lovers.
It has already been stated in the thread for the avenger that it will not have a hangar. Additionally, it is a battle cruiser giving it three of the new cruiser aura abilities, if it had a hangar it would be a flight deck cruiser and would only get two.
I am not sure it even comes with a cloak, the preliminary indication is that it can equip a cloak (standard, non-battle cloak) if you have a defiant or a gal-x to take it from unless it comes with a cloak console as well as the 'variable auto targeting armament' to be it's version of a 'lance'.
Edit: It's actually gone on to redshirt for all to see, it doesn't come with a cloak, it can equip one from the gal-x or defiant as a console synergy with its "vata" console.
It doesn't come with the cloaking console but it can use one. It's Console fires special projectiles that attack based on what Cruiser command your in.
Chronitons in Manuvering mode. Quantums in Weapons Mode, and Tachyon Beams in Shield mode.
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The lvl 50 versions are great support ships. The Kamarag in particular is one of the better battlecruisers.