I'd like to add: Why do have the Baku to move in the first place? A few hundred people (that are isolationist asshats in the first place) occupy that entire planet? I know the evil sona want to exploit the whole thing but I guess it would be no problem to use the magic abilities of this world to benefit others while leaving the Baku on their continent playing with themselves.
You didn't listen to the dialogue, did ya :P
The federation are not in the business of making a planet uninhabitable while it is inhabited.
___________________________ The day will not save them. And we own the night.
Insurection lost me with how Worf shows up. He pops out of a turbo lift, Geordi see him, "Hey Worf, what are you doing here?" He replies "I had shore leave" Its the worst movie of the lot. As bad as Kirk vs. god was in V, or Nemesis, the 3rd best version of the Wrath of Kahn was, the key thing to remember is this.....Riker keeps getting the ship all busted up whenever he is in command in a movie.
Common people he was never a fighting captain he was a diplomat
Picard?...hell Q went the the Ent-D just so he could get entertained by picards long winded speeches.
Heck how many times did riker do the fighting for him
Kirk is a reckless cowboy, and Sisko is a tactical officer thrust into captaincy. The captain of the ship isn't SUPPOSED to be fighting, he's supposed to be commanding. :rolleyes: The first officer's job is to say "turn left and shoot the bad guys, Mr. Worf" while it's the captain's job is to monitor the ship, the crew and the situation as a whole to know whether to fight, flee, or parlay.
I actually bought insurection and watched it a total of ..one time i put it back in its case and it now resides in a dark corner in my closet never shall it see the light of day again.
i actually bought it to put with my prime trek movie collection yes i even have nemesis but it is still in its wrapper seen it on FX so didnt see no need to unwrap that TRIBBLE.
hehe .... too funny....but yet so close to the same sentiment I feel about them as well.
Although I can think of many, many ways it could've been much better. For example: A Vorlon ship jumps in, blows up the collector and tells the Son'a they're not ready for immortality...
That shuttle looks like a Jem'hadar bug ship and the big ship looks like a backwards Chel'Gret.
First contact:
Premise is TRIBBLE. Borg are prepared to assimilate earth before all the nice tech is developed.....
Hey why not send 15 cubes instead, you apparently had enough of those to throw them at the bio ships....
And why not use those tactical cubes? You go to a freaking farm world with 3 cubs + queen boat but only send ONE CUBE and then not even trough the FCKN gate leading directly to earth?!
Hey picard: shuttle bay is on the upper deck where no borg are... And btw: Its called a shot gun. replicate some....
And hi vulcans. didn't notice the wreckage of the borg sphere? you blind?
Nemesis:
Hey shinzon your plan sucks balls. Use your perfectly cloaked ship to bull through the unprepared fed borders then go to earth and nuke it.
And stop by risa and fck a girl there, thats what they like to do. no need to remote-**** grannys.
For First Contact that was a specially designed Cube and Sphere it would seem as it was able to time travel. It is unlikely that the Cube could do this but the Sphere apparently could. The Borg had no reason to assume their Cube would be destroyed or that anyone would be able to, or smart enough to, follow them. Remember, to the Borg all other life forms are notably fallible and inferior (that is why they offer you their perfection free of charge). The last time they dealt with Earth's defenses they walked through them like a field of daisies and only barely got stopped because they assimilated Picard and then let him be retaken. So they did not make that mistake twice.
The Borg in FC were AWESOME. They have never again been that scary. Sneaking out of any given little hidey-hole and suddenly assimilating you... Proper movie monsters.
As for Nemesis the problem there is that he NEEDED Picard's DNA in order to survive. So failing to get that would mean he was dead. No good going on a marauding fest when you are a day or so from death.
The better question is: Why not drop the Enterprise's shields with your massive ship and then beam Picard aboard against his will then go into cloak and run to some undisclosed location? Problem solved.
Also it is questionable why he did not use his Scorpion Fighters that he had tons of or something better to destroy the Enterprise but apparently if he was going to die anyway he did want to see that big super weapon go off just once I suppose.
It would have been a better movie if in the end he actually did listen to reason and became a good-guy. Perhaps even having to fight the Remans and ultimately die to destroy the unholy super weapon he had created but it was not nearly as bad as folks make it out to be.
Insurrection, the worst of them all. I even liked STV better. You don't expect a scifi movie to be about tech-haters baking bread. They did not even use the holodeck excuse for this one.
All this primitive TRIBBLE, where is the scifi left? If you want to watch primitive TRIBBLE you can as well watch Mad Max; that other "science-fiction" movie about some brainless savage bikers fighting for petrol in the desert.
Adding a moral dimension to scifi is very interesting (B5 was excellent on that), but it still has to be scifi, otherwise you are not giving the fans what they want. I thought ST is scifi, but they often use the holodeck excuse to give us things from the present or even from history. That can be forgiving for a tv episode but in a movie production it is not what the fans are waiting for. We want a futuristic atmosphere, not present or past. This movie didnt give us enough scifi by far. Instead we get bread-baking primitives...
Tyr shall give me strength! For the glory of Tempus! I am the hands of Shar! Flames of Kossuth, protect me! Oghma, grant me knowledge! Lolth commands, and I obey!
Justified. They live in a difficult to navigate area and they do not want outside contact.
Then why deal with them at all? Good, they do not want contact, leave them alone. Rather it is justified or not it does not make them a good species to base a MOVIE around. They are irrelevant to the entire rest of the franchise which means they are not worth spending Movie budgets on.
They are irrelevant to the entire rest of the franchise which means they are not worth spending Movie budgets on.
Uhm.
Star Trek 1:
V'ger never shows up again. We never find out about these machine people that granted it sentience. We never find out what information it recovered in its journey across most of the universe. We never find out what human-machine hybrid transcendence entails.
Star Trek 2:
Genesis device? Create inhabitable worlds out of basically anything? Pretty paradigm-changing technology, that.
Star Trek 3:
Oh, and Genesis can resurrect people too. Good thing nobody ever uses it.
Star Trek 4:
The nemesis in this movie, with the power to end entire civilizations, not only isn't explained or heard from again it's never even NAMED.
Star Trek 5:
*cries softly*
Star Trek 6:
This one does a better job of not introducing new loose threads.
Star Trek 7:
A spacial anomaly that lets you live any life you want in a state of highest euphoria. And you don't age. And if you ever get bored, you can freely travel through time and space to anywhere you want. And we never hear about it again.
Star Trek 8:
Also does a good job not introducing new loose threads.
Star Trek 9:
Fountain of Youth found and subsequently ignored.
Star Trek 10:
Remans are only *mostly* irrelevant, I guess?
It is the fundamental nature of episodic content that the basic state of things cannot change, or can only change very slowly. Because of this: the vast majority of Trek is "irrelevant to the rest of the franchise". If you were allowed to use previous deus ex machina technologies and strategies to resolve problems, the writers would be out of a job.
1.) Baku are not natives of that planet that is in Fed territory.
Irrelevent. Why? The federation territorial claim is invalid. Admiral Dougherty even admits it when Piacrd presses the topic. How is it invalid? It's simple. The Baku had been living there since some time in the 21st century. The Federation charter hadn't even been signed yet. So there's no way the Federation ahd any claim to the system at all.
2.) They are not pre warp. Prime directive does not apply.
Actually, the Prime Directive is several pages long and is focused more on not meddling with other civilizations than protecting pre-warp civilizations.
3.) A technology in reach that would help billions over billions over billions of people if properly harnessed. Only "stopping" point? Non natives that technically could also easily profit from a wide spread application of this tech.
Actually, nothing done in the movie prevents the Federation from studying it. "Harvesting" the energy via the Son'a collector is out but less intrusive methods were not ruled out.
4.) Starfleet is incompetent:
An admiral without ship?
Dougherty apparently valued secrecy over safety, and he apprently was far too trusting of Ruafo...
Dealing with shady guys without having some muscle there?
Again, Dougherty apparently didn't want to risk having his backup do what Picard did...
Dumbass cloaked base and moronic cloaked ship in a lake wtf?! Hide it in space you dolts.
5.) stupid sneaky approach that is not justified.
Well, when you take a close look at the facts, the operation being carried out by the Son'a was basically stealing from the Ba'ku. This is morally objectionable for multiple reasons.
"hi, this is fed territory and wed like to get that wonderful rejuv stuff. so please vacate the premises or we will do that for ya."
6.) Riker again risks ship by not using its freaking weapons....
Um, watch it again and count how many times he shoots at them.... He was initially hesitant because the Son'a were technically allies, but after they shot at him he eventually returned fire.
7.) So it was okay to beam down and bring guns and tech to shield from transporter range.. but its not ok to use that sovereign class ship to simply bully the sona into submission? fck TRIBBLE logic there...
Right... um, how well did that work out for Riker?
8.) lets not even get startet on detail nitpicks like the lake and the water line....
Sona are dumb:
They could have said "yeah btw those people do not actually originate from here so, no worries."
Like I said in point 1, the planet was Ba'ku territory and the Federation had no right to forcibly remove it's inhabitants.
Insurrection, the worst of them all. I even liked STV better. You don't expect a scifi movie to be about tech-haters baking bread. They did not even use the holodeck excuse for this one.
All this primitive TRIBBLE, where is the scifi left? If you want to watch primitive TRIBBLE you can as well watch Mad Max; that other "science-fiction" movie about some brainless savage bikers fighting for petrol in the desert.
Adding a moral dimension to scifi is very interesting (B5 was excellent on that), but it still has to be scifi, otherwise you are not giving the fans what they want. I thought ST is scifi, but they often use the holodeck excuse to give us things from the present or even from history. That can be forgiving for a tv episode but in a movie production it is not what the fans are waiting for. We want a futuristic atmosphere, not present or past. This movie didnt give us enough scifi by far. Instead we get bread-baking primitives...
You're complete failure to have any clue about Star Trek renders your post completely meaningless. Have a nice day.
First Contact was great, but introducing the queen opened up the door to make them less scary.
I've seen it argued that the Borg Queen is to the Borg as Davros is to the Daleks. Once you give a leader with a face to a collective of faceless, evil aliens, that leader begins to overshadow the rest of them.
I've seen it argued that the Borg Queen is to the Borg as Davros is to the Daleks. Once you give a leader with a face to a collective of faceless, evil aliens, that leader begins to overshadow the rest of them.
And I would agree with that sentiment. Sure, the queen was awesome, but she was a bit too awesome, and that made the rest of the Borg... less... awesome.
That review is perfect for describing how horrid this movie is. Jonathan Frakes directed this movie if memory serves and I think it was just an excuse for him to have his way with Troy more.
Star Trek 1:
V'ger never shows up again. We never find out about these machine people that granted it sentience. We never find out what information it recovered in its journey across most of the universe. We never find out what human-machine hybrid transcendence entails.
Star Trek 2:
Genesis device? Create inhabitable worlds out of basically anything? Pretty paradigm-changing technology, that.
Star Trek 3:
Oh, and Genesis can resurrect people too. Good thing nobody ever uses it.
Star Trek 4:
The nemesis in this movie, with the power to end entire civilizations, not only isn't explained or heard from again it's never even NAMED.
Star Trek 5:
*cries softly*
Star Trek 6:
This one does a better job of not introducing new loose threads.
Star Trek 7:
A spacial anomaly that lets you live any life you want in a state of highest euphoria. And you don't age. And if you ever get bored, you can freely travel through time and space to anywhere you want. And we never hear about it again.
Star Trek 8:
Also does a good job not introducing new loose threads.
Star Trek 9:
Fountain of Youth found and subsequently ignored.
Star Trek 10:
Remans are only *mostly* irrelevant, I guess?
It is the fundamental nature of episodic content that the basic state of things cannot change, or can only change very slowly. Because of this: the vast majority of Trek is "irrelevant to the rest of the franchise". If you were allowed to use previous deus ex machina technologies and strategies to resolve problems, the writers would be out of a job.
V'ger's repairers are later rumored to have created the Borg or V'ger itself did so that is a bit important.
The fact that the Genesis device is never heard of again is a pretty notable problem however it was at least dealt with Twice instead of only once.
Remans are not that irrelevant as they are a part of the Romulan Empire and in this movie we get to see two new ship types: The Mogai and the Scimitar. Also the killing off of the Romulan Senators is a pretty big plot point effecting a MAJOR stellar power.
Unlike saaaaay the Baku who are essentially space Amish (I know... that is cruel to the Amish. Sorry folks.. Oh wait... You won't read this. Nevermind.) having a stupid family feud with those of their kind who did not feel like giving up tech and staying on this planet bathed in Youth Radiation.
Even though the Federation manages to patch everything together it is still a matter of "WHO CARES!?". These guys are NOT part of any larger and powerful Star Power of any sort. They can barely defend themselves let alone anyone else. They are on Federation Property without being Federation citizens. Even with everything resolved nothing in the overarching storyline changes at all. More importantly if these people were all killed nothing would be lost.
That is the biggest problem... There is just NO reason to care about these people and their plight and yet they are the main focus. The important thing here is "We found the fountain of youth!" but that part is all but glossed over and nothing is done with it.
It wasn't worthy of a motion picture. But felt good if had been a regular episode of TNG. Errab, when you're ready for TMP, be sure it's the Director's Edition. It smoothes out much of the criticisms regarding the film moving too slowly.
As Shatner directed Star Trek V, he stated that he wanted it to be as if it were Episode 80 of the original 79 episode series. To a degree he succeeded.
Actually many of the original episodes were far better then The Final Frontier, they had better writers because many of them were written by the top Sci Fi writers of that time period and even though they had poor special effects compared to todays standards, back then there were none of "todays standards" to compare them to.
The Final Frontier Never should have been directed by Bill Shatner and they should have never even made the movie in the first place. It was a total and complete flop...
Even though the Federation manages to patch everything together it is still a matter of "WHO CARES!?". These guys are NOT part of any larger and powerful Star Power of any sort. They can barely defend themselves let alone anyone else. They are on Federation Property without being Federation citizens.
Like I said several times before, the planet wasn't really Federation territory. The Federation territorial claim was based on the assumption that the planet was uninhabited. But as we all know, the Ba'ku lived there. Even Doughtery admitted that if the Ba'ku had publicly challenged the Federation territorial claim the Federation would've lost.
I recall an interview with Roddenberry where (it's assumed he was joking, but who really knows with that man) that the "machine planet" that found V'ger was the Borg, or more specifically, their homeworld.
It always seemed like a fair enough connection to make to me, especially with all of the "resistance is futile" lines thrown around in TMP. Borg find Voyager 6, assimilate it, it errantly gains sentience from this then goes rogue and runs off to find its creator.
Be that as it may it was still given rumor that it was so thanks to Shatner's Star Trek book. There always seems to be hints of some connection between the two now and then. Even STO does it with the "Unimatrix" Ships and their V'ger Torp. Now we have it as well.
So it is hard to say that V'ger was completely forgotten and never referenced or talked about again.
Star Trek 9 wasn't god awful in my opinion. It moved away from the nice and friendly wholesome family values Federation and took a hard glance at large governments weighing the needs of the many versus the needs of the few. I have no doubt it would be G R's most hated trek movie, he insisted the Federation be a perfect utopia with no corruption or agendas or politics. For me, that just doesn't work.
Star Trek 5 was kind of bad, but it's a little unfair to judge. We have to bear in mind it was being made during the writers strike, which obviously hampered the writing of the film. It's budget was also dramatically slashed, depriving it of the incredible effects Industrial Light and Magic made possible with Kahn and others. It was also directed by Shatner. How else was a movie directed by William Shatner going to end other than Kirk taking on god himself and WINNING? :P
Star Trek 9 wasn't god awful in my opinion. It moved away from the nice and friendly wholesome family values Federation and took a hard glance at large governments weighing the needs of the many versus the needs of the few. I have no doubt it would be G R's most hated trek movie, he insisted the Federation be a perfect utopia with no corruption or agendas or politics. For me, that just doesn't work.
I agree, sure Star Trek has always had at least periodic discussion of moral and ethical issues, but this one was bigger than most.
It is the fundamental nature of episodic content that the basic state of things cannot change, or can only change very slowly. Because of this: the vast majority of Trek is "irrelevant to the rest of the franchise". If you were allowed to use previous deus ex machina technologies and strategies to resolve problems, the writers would be out of a job.
Tell that to Stargate. They very often kept using stratagies and equipment discovered in previous episodes over the years to solve/cause current problems. Heck, one time, they accidentally got a wormhole stuck to a black hole which wouldn't let them close the gate. This disaster was later used over the years to blow up a star and wipe out an invasion fleet, to prevent a supergate from letting an armada of over pwoered ships into our galaxy (this supergate atcually combined 2 previous events. The black hole not closing, and the wormhole jumping to another gate following a massive power surge, something that occurred in an episode 9 years previous) and I'm sure they used it once or twice again.
And one time they accidentally got sent back in time thanks to solar flares. That method of time travel kept cropping up every now and again for new stories/solve things (though they did often have trouble finding the right kind of flare, but it did happen).
So it is possible to keep using previous episode solutions in new episodes. It actually helps create a very strong sense of continuity in the show.
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A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
Tell that to Stargate. They very often kept using stratagies and equipment discovered in previous episodes over the years to solve/cause current problems. Heck, one time, they accidentally got a wormhole stuck to a black hole which wouldn't let them close the gate. This disaster was later used over the years to blow up a star and wipe out an invasion fleet, to prevent a supergate from letting an armada of over pwoered ships into our galaxy (this supergate atcually combined 2 previous events. The black hole not closing, and the wormhole jumping to another gate following a massive power surge, something that occurred in an episode 9 years previous) and I'm sure they used it once or twice again.
And one time they accidentally got sent back in time thanks to solar flares. That method of time travel kept cropping up every now and again for new stories/solve things (though they did often have trouble finding the right kind of flare, but it did happen).
So it is possible to keep using previous episode solutions in new episodes. It actually helps create a very strong sense of continuity in the show.
While I'm not going to say they remembered everything, they seemed to have a great job of keeping things around. Having just finished watching all 10 seasons, you can see how things get built and developed over the years, and TRIBBLE ups and solutions are referenced and used in later stories.
Though the first shot from the Zats are notoriously inconsistant through the years.
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A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
While I'm not going to say they remembered everything, they seemed to have a great job of keeping things around. Having just finished watching all 10 seasons, you can see how things get built and developed over the years, and TRIBBLE ups and solutions are referenced and used in later stories.
Though the first shot from the Zats are notoriously inconsistant through the years.
I never understood why they thought that the "third shot disintegrates" was stupid. It actually seems rather smart to me. After all, what covert operative wants to leave bodies lying around for patrols to discover?
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You didn't listen to the dialogue, did ya :P
The federation are not in the business of making a planet uninhabitable while it is inhabited.
The day will not save them. And we own the night.
Kirk is a reckless cowboy, and Sisko is a tactical officer thrust into captaincy. The captain of the ship isn't SUPPOSED to be fighting, he's supposed to be commanding. :rolleyes: The first officer's job is to say "turn left and shoot the bad guys, Mr. Worf" while it's the captain's job is to monitor the ship, the crew and the situation as a whole to know whether to fight, flee, or parlay.
Justified. They live in a difficult to navigate area and they do not want outside contact.
hehe .... too funny....but yet so close to the same sentiment I feel about them as well.
( although..... I did like the headbutt the enterprise gave Schnozzlezons ship...that was a cool scene )
---- FIRE EVERYTHING ! ----
That shuttle looks like a Jem'hadar bug ship and the big ship looks like a backwards Chel'Gret.
For First Contact that was a specially designed Cube and Sphere it would seem as it was able to time travel. It is unlikely that the Cube could do this but the Sphere apparently could. The Borg had no reason to assume their Cube would be destroyed or that anyone would be able to, or smart enough to, follow them. Remember, to the Borg all other life forms are notably fallible and inferior (that is why they offer you their perfection free of charge). The last time they dealt with Earth's defenses they walked through them like a field of daisies and only barely got stopped because they assimilated Picard and then let him be retaken. So they did not make that mistake twice.
The Borg in FC were AWESOME. They have never again been that scary. Sneaking out of any given little hidey-hole and suddenly assimilating you... Proper movie monsters.
As for Nemesis the problem there is that he NEEDED Picard's DNA in order to survive. So failing to get that would mean he was dead. No good going on a marauding fest when you are a day or so from death.
The better question is: Why not drop the Enterprise's shields with your massive ship and then beam Picard aboard against his will then go into cloak and run to some undisclosed location? Problem solved.
Also it is questionable why he did not use his Scorpion Fighters that he had tons of or something better to destroy the Enterprise but apparently if he was going to die anyway he did want to see that big super weapon go off just once I suppose.
It would have been a better movie if in the end he actually did listen to reason and became a good-guy. Perhaps even having to fight the Remans and ultimately die to destroy the unholy super weapon he had created but it was not nearly as bad as folks make it out to be.
All this primitive TRIBBLE, where is the scifi left? If you want to watch primitive TRIBBLE you can as well watch Mad Max; that other "science-fiction" movie about some brainless savage bikers fighting for petrol in the desert.
Adding a moral dimension to scifi is very interesting (B5 was excellent on that), but it still has to be scifi, otherwise you are not giving the fans what they want. I thought ST is scifi, but they often use the holodeck excuse to give us things from the present or even from history. That can be forgiving for a tv episode but in a movie production it is not what the fans are waiting for. We want a futuristic atmosphere, not present or past. This movie didnt give us enough scifi by far. Instead we get bread-baking primitives...
For the glory of Tempus!
I am the hands of Shar!
Flames of Kossuth, protect me!
Oghma, grant me knowledge!
Lolth commands, and I obey!
Then why deal with them at all? Good, they do not want contact, leave them alone. Rather it is justified or not it does not make them a good species to base a MOVIE around. They are irrelevant to the entire rest of the franchise which means they are not worth spending Movie budgets on.
But yeah, I can understand why people may rant about some of the movies.
Agreed that First Contact is the best TNG movie, it is my 2nd favourite (after TWOK, before Undiscovered Country).
As for all that some people consider wrong about that movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7otxuhn__Zw (not my vid ofc
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Uhm.
Star Trek 1:
V'ger never shows up again. We never find out about these machine people that granted it sentience. We never find out what information it recovered in its journey across most of the universe. We never find out what human-machine hybrid transcendence entails.
Star Trek 2:
Genesis device? Create inhabitable worlds out of basically anything? Pretty paradigm-changing technology, that.
Star Trek 3:
Oh, and Genesis can resurrect people too. Good thing nobody ever uses it.
Star Trek 4:
The nemesis in this movie, with the power to end entire civilizations, not only isn't explained or heard from again it's never even NAMED.
Star Trek 5:
*cries softly*
Star Trek 6:
This one does a better job of not introducing new loose threads.
Star Trek 7:
A spacial anomaly that lets you live any life you want in a state of highest euphoria. And you don't age. And if you ever get bored, you can freely travel through time and space to anywhere you want. And we never hear about it again.
Star Trek 8:
Also does a good job not introducing new loose threads.
Star Trek 9:
Fountain of Youth found and subsequently ignored.
Star Trek 10:
Remans are only *mostly* irrelevant, I guess?
It is the fundamental nature of episodic content that the basic state of things cannot change, or can only change very slowly. Because of this: the vast majority of Trek is "irrelevant to the rest of the franchise". If you were allowed to use previous deus ex machina technologies and strategies to resolve problems, the writers would be out of a job.
My character Tsin'xing
First Contact was great, but introducing the queen opened up the door to make them less scary.
Generations was.... silly.
Nemesis... what the hell was that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06WKYFYdlo
Stupid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azSh47-oRPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqb9q3c1Pxo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZjkHUrEuHc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoWfTq8dYos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DT7sSp-3_I
The Orignal cast does a far better jop at doing movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi5mj6-CUiY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlV3bsafkq0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr4RHI01t38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVeXdhADrmI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmUzoIENIXc
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Star Trek Gamers
I've seen it argued that the Borg Queen is to the Borg as Davros is to the Daleks. Once you give a leader with a face to a collective of faceless, evil aliens, that leader begins to overshadow the rest of them.
And I would agree with that sentiment. Sure, the queen was awesome, but she was a bit too awesome, and that made the rest of the Borg... less... awesome.
That review is perfect for describing how horrid this movie is. Jonathan Frakes directed this movie if memory serves and I think it was just an excuse for him to have his way with Troy more.
V'ger's repairers are later rumored to have created the Borg or V'ger itself did so that is a bit important.
The fact that the Genesis device is never heard of again is a pretty notable problem however it was at least dealt with Twice instead of only once.
Remans are not that irrelevant as they are a part of the Romulan Empire and in this movie we get to see two new ship types: The Mogai and the Scimitar. Also the killing off of the Romulan Senators is a pretty big plot point effecting a MAJOR stellar power.
Unlike saaaaay the Baku who are essentially space Amish (I know... that is cruel to the Amish. Sorry folks.. Oh wait... You won't read this. Nevermind.) having a stupid family feud with those of their kind who did not feel like giving up tech and staying on this planet bathed in Youth Radiation.
Even though the Federation manages to patch everything together it is still a matter of "WHO CARES!?". These guys are NOT part of any larger and powerful Star Power of any sort. They can barely defend themselves let alone anyone else. They are on Federation Property without being Federation citizens. Even with everything resolved nothing in the overarching storyline changes at all. More importantly if these people were all killed nothing would be lost.
That is the biggest problem... There is just NO reason to care about these people and their plight and yet they are the main focus. The important thing here is "We found the fountain of youth!" but that part is all but glossed over and nothing is done with it.
Actually many of the original episodes were far better then The Final Frontier, they had better writers because many of them were written by the top Sci Fi writers of that time period and even though they had poor special effects compared to todays standards, back then there were none of "todays standards" to compare them to.
The Final Frontier Never should have been directed by Bill Shatner and they should have never even made the movie in the first place. It was a total and complete flop...
My character Tsin'xing
The Borg have been around long before V'Ger
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Vaadwaur
The Borg were around well before the discovery of America
I recall an interview with Roddenberry where (it's assumed he was joking, but who really knows with that man) that the "machine planet" that found V'ger was the Borg, or more specifically, their homeworld.
It always seemed like a fair enough connection to make to me, especially with all of the "resistance is futile" lines thrown around in TMP. Borg find Voyager 6, assimilate it, it errantly gains sentience from this then goes rogue and runs off to find its creator.
Be that as it may it was still given rumor that it was so thanks to Shatner's Star Trek book. There always seems to be hints of some connection between the two now and then. Even STO does it with the "Unimatrix" Ships and their V'ger Torp. Now we have it as well.
So it is hard to say that V'ger was completely forgotten and never referenced or talked about again.
Star Trek 5 was kind of bad, but it's a little unfair to judge. We have to bear in mind it was being made during the writers strike, which obviously hampered the writing of the film. It's budget was also dramatically slashed, depriving it of the incredible effects Industrial Light and Magic made possible with Kahn and others. It was also directed by Shatner. How else was a movie directed by William Shatner going to end other than Kirk taking on god himself and WINNING? :P
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Tell that to Stargate. They very often kept using stratagies and equipment discovered in previous episodes over the years to solve/cause current problems. Heck, one time, they accidentally got a wormhole stuck to a black hole which wouldn't let them close the gate. This disaster was later used over the years to blow up a star and wipe out an invasion fleet, to prevent a supergate from letting an armada of over pwoered ships into our galaxy (this supergate atcually combined 2 previous events. The black hole not closing, and the wormhole jumping to another gate following a massive power surge, something that occurred in an episode 9 years previous) and I'm sure they used it once or twice again.
And one time they accidentally got sent back in time thanks to solar flares. That method of time travel kept cropping up every now and again for new stories/solve things (though they did often have trouble finding the right kind of flare, but it did happen).
So it is possible to keep using previous episode solutions in new episodes. It actually helps create a very strong sense of continuity in the show.
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Though the first shot from the Zats are notoriously inconsistant through the years.
A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
I never understood why they thought that the "third shot disintegrates" was stupid. It actually seems rather smart to me. After all, what covert operative wants to leave bodies lying around for patrols to discover?