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Human Leadership Trait

lobstercatlobstercat Member Posts: 51 Arc User
edited November 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Someone told me that the Human Leadership trait is still bugged? I thought they had fixed it. I suppose if it is bugged then the next best for FED's is the Efficient Trait?

Anyone tested it?:)
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    trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Its not bugged, but its only really effective outside of combat. It now stacks with Character Leadership trait.
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    eulifdaviseulifdavis Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Used to massively boost your in-combat repair rate. Then they broke it so it didn't stack at all, and your captain had to have the trait before your bridge officer's traits applied.

    When they fixed it so you don't have to have the trait to use it on your BOFFs, and also made it stack (again), they gave it such a huge nerf that it's no longer worth using. Even if you put it on every bridge officer you have, plus your captain, the effect is negligible.
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    captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    eulifdavis wrote: »
    Used to massively boost your in-combat repair rate. Then they broke it so it didn't stack at all, and your captain had to have the trait before your bridge officer's traits applied.

    When they fixed it so you don't have to have the trait to use it on your BOFFs, and also made it stack (again), they gave it such a huge nerf that it's no longer worth using. Even if you put it on every bridge officer you have, plus your captain, the effect is negligible.

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    skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    captainbmoney wrote: »
    And people wonder why its called Escort Carriers online... I swear. Geko needs to see that statement. its become so true.

    I know a lot of peeps have a hate on for escorts, but how does the leadership boff trait being near worthless have anything to do with it?
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    captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    skyranger1414 wrote: »
    I know a lot of peeps have a hate on for escorts, but how does the leadership boff trait being near worthless have anything to do with it?

    Can't stack healing very well with a useless trait.
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    jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited September 2013
    Fed Boff traits are very poor

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    khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    deokkent wrote: »
    I use it for the boost to subsystem repair bonus. Everything else is moot.

    So much this. Hawt ladies giving me almost total resistance to phasers and VM, thus invalidating an entire tree of Sci skills and the trademark weapons of an entire faction? All while being unstoppable to space dark elves and spiders? Priceless.

    I even run them on the away team because of the Teamwork +Exploit damage making my Lunge and Sniper rifle hit harder. I also use an all-Tac team so Sweeping and Lunge come standard, and they can Lunge their own Exploits for more damage.

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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    eulifdavis wrote: »
    Used to massively boost your in-combat repair rate. Then they broke it so it didn't stack at all, and your captain had to have the trait before your bridge officer's traits applied.

    When they fixed it so you don't have to have the trait to use it on your BOFFs, and also made it stack (again), they gave it such a huge nerf that it's no longer worth using. Even if you put it on every bridge officer you have, plus your captain, the effect is negligible.

    And even if you are specced 9/9 in Subsystem Repair, the skill still does about nothing at all. Utterly not worth spending any points in. Leadership is simply a joke.
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    khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    And even if you are specced 9/9 in Subsystem Repair, the skill still does about nothing at all. Utterly not worth spending any points in. Leadership is simply a joke.

    System shutdown from VM lasts 1-2seconds, subsystem disable from Tholians last about 1-2 seconds and phaser system down lasts 1 second with the +100 SSR I get from 5 humans.

    I know this because that's what I'm seeing, my subsystems winking off, then coming back on immediately when attacked by Tal Shiar or Tholians, whereas pre-buff they'd be knocked out for 5-8 seconds.

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    displayname707displayname707 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    They need to un-nerf the leadership trait now since romulan boffs crit stacking is like godly compared to leadership stacking.
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    khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Change the bonus to a direct +20 Starship Hull Repair, make passive hull regen scale off SHR, allow Armor skills to reduce critical chance and critical security, and make crew member regen scale off all the starship repair-type skills and aux power.

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    kortaagkortaag Member Posts: 525
    edited September 2013
    Are we sure the trait is broken? Historically I've always added at least one boff for these purposes. I guess I'm a little shocked at wasting a boff slot on those traits without stumbling across any meaningful drops of info about it prior to this thread.
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    frtoasterfrtoaster Member Posts: 3,352 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    kortaag wrote: »
    Are we sure the trait is broken? Historically I've always added at least one boff for these purposes. I guess I'm a little shocked at wasting a boff slot on those traits without stumbling across any meaningful drops of info about it prior to this thread.

    The history of the trait is like this:

    1. It was broken for a long time.
    2. They fixed it, but the hull repair bonus was too strong. People were getting out-of-combat hull repair rates during combat.
    3. They nerfed the hull repair bonus. The mechanics of the bonus have been altered. But the nerf also broke the trait again: the hull repair bonus didn't stack, and the subsystem repair bonus was missing.
    4. They fixed the trait again. The hull repair bonus now stacks, and the subsystem repair bonus works.
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    kortaagkortaag Member Posts: 525
    edited September 2013
    Ok so it's not broken then. I always kept 1 human on board to help lick my wounds if needed.
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    elessymelessym Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    kortaag wrote: »
    Ok so it's not broken then. I always kept 1 human on board to help lick my wounds if needed.

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    kortaagkortaag Member Posts: 525
    edited September 2013
    What? What do you have your humans lick?
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    westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,233 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Lets just say it rhymes with lick.
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    dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    So the rhymes with "lick" has wounds?

    This escalated quickly....
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    edited September 2013
    frtoaster wrote: »
    The history of the trait is like this:

    1. It was broken for a long time.
    2. They fixed it, but the hull repair bonus was too strong. People were getting out-of-combat hull repair rates during combat.
    3. They nerfed the hull repair bonus. The mechanics of the bonus have been altered. But the nerf also broke the trait again: the hull repair bonus didn't stack, and the subsystem repair bonus was missing.
    4. They fixed the trait again. The hull repair bonus now stacks, and the subsystem repair bonus works.

    So is 4. Correct.. Is it worth being Human captain with all human crew???

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    edited September 2013
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    And even if you are specced 9/9 in Subsystem Repair, the skill still does about nothing at all. Utterly not worth spending any points in. Leadership is simply a joke.

    Is this the current case for Leadership? I don't want roll human captain and make human crew if no benefit (however small) from stacking hull repair skill :eek:
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    tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Any value to having a human bridge officer if your player captain is non-human? or Officers since they stack?
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