The black hole created by Red Matter is not permanent. It is a temporary singularity that only exists for as long as there is fuel for it to consume. Whether that be a planet, or an unusual supernova. It is possible it is the only type of singularity capable of containing the Hobus supernova.
are you saying that the Vulcan black hole will somehow dissipate now that the planet is consumed?
are you saying that the Vulcan black hole will somehow dissipate now that the planet is consumed?
Well, IRL, singularities of less than a certain mass don't ahve enough gravity to hold themselves together and evaporate. I forget the exact limit, but it's several tiems the mass of our sun.
FWIW: welcome to the family Mr. Abrams and also to the cast and crew. .....:rolleyes:
As far as J.J. is concerned, he won't be in the family for long. He's leaving Trek behind as soon as the trilogy is done. Star Wars will be a lot more lucrative. :rolleyes:
As far as J.J. is concerned, he won't be in the family for long. He's leaving Trek behind as soon as the trilogy is done. Star Wars will be a lot more lucrative. :rolleyes:
are you saying that the Vulcan black hole will somehow dissipate now that the planet is consumed?
It dissipated after the planet was consumed, the same as the Hobus supernova. Once a red matter singularity runs out of fuel, it collapses. Once the heat from the planet of Vulcan went away, so did the singularity.
This is why we can visit the Hobus system without having to worry about being sucked into a black hole. The remnant of the Hobus star is now the Hobus nebula.
Well, IRL, singularities of less than a certain mass don't ahve enough gravity to hold themselves together and evaporate. I forget the exact limit, but it's several tiems the mass of our sun.
The other thing to consider is that a red matter black hole has much higher gravity than its mass would indicate.
The event horizon of the tiny drop of red matter used to destroy Vulcan would have had a hard time absorbing a good sized molecule, let alone a planet, if it was supported by mass alone. And even after the planet was consumed the mass present would only support an event horizon centimeters across.
But the black hole had an event horizon of a significant fraction of the planet's diameter. Several thousand kilometers easily.
Clearly when red matter is ignited it creates some kind of bending in space-time to generate an event horizon many orders of magnitude larger than the mass present would allow. It would make sense for the effect to be temporary. Particularly considering that it doesn't actually appear to create black holes - at least two ships survived entering red matter event horizons and emerged elsewhere in space and time, so it appears red matter (at least part of the time) creates wormholes instead of black holes. This is probably an unexpected side effect and it's very likely unknown to people in the prime universe, since the Narada and Jellyfish didn't come out in our universe and the wormholes have the outward appearance of a black hole.
This potentially makes continued use of red matter an epically bad idea, the potential of uncontrolled wormholes to other points in time and other dimensions could end up having much bigger effect than our pattern enhancers occasionally pulling people out of the 23rd Century.
Before ST2009 the JJ Universe did not exist. There were many other versions of reality of our beloved Star Trek, but this one did not exist yet. Imagine it not existing, then all of a sudden existing. So basically, everything from beginning of time was created in mere moments to accomodate the the events of what happened in our Star Trek universe. JJ universe, or JJ Trek, only exists now, where it did not exist before. An impromptu event, an accident created JJ universe. So if you can imagine that universe not existing this minute, then existing the next, with everything that happens in the span of time, there would be differences. Things would be different yet the same. It is an alternate time line after all. It is no more prime than the mirror universe. Its like time itself gave birth to an identical child, but in the need for quick completion, time cut corners. Khan is white and british. Klingons look freaking scary and cool by the way. Starfleet uniforms are different, Ships are different. Spock and Uhura. Kirk dying. EMO Spock. Pike. The list goes on and on.
As you can see this is now the explanation I subscribe to because it can explain it all.
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are you saying that the Vulcan black hole will somehow dissipate now that the planet is consumed?
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As far as J.J. is concerned, he won't be in the family for long. He's leaving Trek behind as soon as the trilogy is done. Star Wars will be a lot more lucrative. :rolleyes:
Supposedly, he's not even doing the third one.
It dissipated after the planet was consumed, the same as the Hobus supernova. Once a red matter singularity runs out of fuel, it collapses. Once the heat from the planet of Vulcan went away, so did the singularity.
This is why we can visit the Hobus system without having to worry about being sucked into a black hole. The remnant of the Hobus star is now the Hobus nebula.
The other thing to consider is that a red matter black hole has much higher gravity than its mass would indicate.
The event horizon of the tiny drop of red matter used to destroy Vulcan would have had a hard time absorbing a good sized molecule, let alone a planet, if it was supported by mass alone. And even after the planet was consumed the mass present would only support an event horizon centimeters across.
But the black hole had an event horizon of a significant fraction of the planet's diameter. Several thousand kilometers easily.
Clearly when red matter is ignited it creates some kind of bending in space-time to generate an event horizon many orders of magnitude larger than the mass present would allow. It would make sense for the effect to be temporary. Particularly considering that it doesn't actually appear to create black holes - at least two ships survived entering red matter event horizons and emerged elsewhere in space and time, so it appears red matter (at least part of the time) creates wormholes instead of black holes. This is probably an unexpected side effect and it's very likely unknown to people in the prime universe, since the Narada and Jellyfish didn't come out in our universe and the wormholes have the outward appearance of a black hole.
This potentially makes continued use of red matter an epically bad idea, the potential of uncontrolled wormholes to other points in time and other dimensions could end up having much bigger effect than our pattern enhancers occasionally pulling people out of the 23rd Century.
Before ST2009 the JJ Universe did not exist. There were many other versions of reality of our beloved Star Trek, but this one did not exist yet. Imagine it not existing, then all of a sudden existing. So basically, everything from beginning of time was created in mere moments to accomodate the the events of what happened in our Star Trek universe. JJ universe, or JJ Trek, only exists now, where it did not exist before. An impromptu event, an accident created JJ universe. So if you can imagine that universe not existing this minute, then existing the next, with everything that happens in the span of time, there would be differences. Things would be different yet the same. It is an alternate time line after all. It is no more prime than the mirror universe. Its like time itself gave birth to an identical child, but in the need for quick completion, time cut corners. Khan is white and british. Klingons look freaking scary and cool by the way. Starfleet uniforms are different, Ships are different. Spock and Uhura. Kirk dying. EMO Spock. Pike. The list goes on and on.
As you can see this is now the explanation I subscribe to because it can explain it all.