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mondoid
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Like the title says Warhammer: Age of Reckoning (WAR) is shutting down on Dec 18th. Its not because it was an attempted WOW killer or that it was an EA owned game or that it had 20 servers at launch and then 2 at the end due to low population or that its owners stubbornly refused to join the F2P wagon which many players believed would have gotten it healthy again. No, it is being shutdown because the IP holder (Games Workshop) pulled the license, so legally it cannot continue.
Okay now you are asking "Why does this matter to me? I play Star Trek Online (STO)"
It matters because STO might suffer the same fate. World of ******** (WoW) is run by the same company as its IP holder, so it's immune to this.
All of Cryptic's games are the Intellectual Property (IP) of others, so they could all suffer the same fate!
I want a Dev or equivalent to answer this: When does the IP for STO end?
Based on the increasing success of the game what are the odds the CBS will keep renewing the license?
Okay now you are asking "Why does this matter to me? I play Star Trek Online (STO)"
It matters because STO might suffer the same fate. World of ******** (WoW) is run by the same company as its IP holder, so it's immune to this.
All of Cryptic's games are the Intellectual Property (IP) of others, so they could all suffer the same fate!
I want a Dev or equivalent to answer this: When does the IP for STO end?
Based on the increasing success of the game what are the odds the CBS will keep renewing the license?
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CBS is the next other stumbling block. Once the final Star Trek movie comes out, who knows? If EA goes to them to make 'em an offer they can't refuse, we'd get SWG'd instantly. Though it would be interesting to see PWE and EA go head-to-head at negotiations because I foresee PWE not giving up their on-life-support-but-still-breathing golden goose just yet and so EA would have to be really interested in making that offer.
Or things might just go completely left field and we have RIOT GAMES buying up the licence as they are the only major MMO player without a space-age MMO game.
Speculations mainly, but this is where STO's relative obscurity is our boon: the game is popular enough to feel populated, but not a runaway success that we have to fear companies banging on CBS' door. The fact that the franchise is split between CBS and Paramount may lead to an interesting situation where there could be a PRIME Star Trek game and a JJTrek game which could be produced by anybody in the industry atm.
Tl;dr: We're safe for 2 years at least.
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We don't have to worry about the final Star Trek movie affecting us considering that Paramount owns the rights to the new movies. So EA could go to Paramount and see if they could create a MMO based on the JJ universe. So there could be two MMOs with one centered on the universe with the rich story, background, and characters and the other one centered around the JJ universe where there is not much story there.
However, I don't see this happening. With the current universe pretty much shut off to TV series and movies, then STO can do pretty much what they want within reason. However, whoever gets a hold of the JJ universe after JJ will want to create new movies and/or TV series so they could create conflicting stories with a Star Trek MMO based on the JJ universe. For example, Star Trek 2023 features Cardassians with a particular type of ship, but the Star Trek MMO already introduced a very different style of ship and the Cardassians act completely different to the ones in the movie.
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Yes, I agree. This has already happened with Gameforge's ST: Infinite Space. Although the game was scrapped after it was completed (couldn't find a co-publisher) it showed that we could have two ST games set in the prime universe on the landscape.
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You can expect a squadron of pigs, flying in formation over your house before they tell you when the licence is up. thats not information they are going to publicly share.
however while you are right in saying the licence was up for WAR, the reason they did not renew is highly likely linked to everything else you mentioned. it was badly managed and was not making loads of money.
If STO is doing as well as they say, then CBS will most likely have no issues with renewing it. There is not a lot of other star trek projects going on for them right now so as long as they are seeing profits and no one makes them a better offer then STO will be fine.
Important difference here: CBS consists of morons. GW is controlled by the most idiotic copyright-trolling '/&%faced \##holes they could find.
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That would explain a lot.
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In terms of when STO will be shut down to the same reason:
I hope not for a LONG time, I just started playing STO almost a year ago!
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They don't give a TRIBBLE about the IP or it's fans, so I doubt highly they would go through the effort of pulling it, Because IF they gave a TRIBBLE many of the pathetic things that have gone on with this game wouldn't have.
Also if they gave a TRIBBLE we might have a new series on TV sometime before my generation ends..
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Paramount pulled that license 24 years ago, and over a creative control dispute. The situation led directly to the review system Paramount and now CBS (presumably Paramount's half of the franchise has a similar process, but has produced much less licensed material) have to make such a conflict impossible to begin with.
I will say this... to those of you who choose to forecast doom for this game because you don't like certain things about it...
It's not going to get you another Star Trek MMO. This is the one we have and if it fails what makes you think we'd get another one? ANY Star Trek game, for that matter?
The doom and gloom forecasts do nothing to get what you want, except that they hurt the image of this game, potentially scare off new players, and hurt the chances of future Star Trek games from seeing the light of day.
I'm not suggesting that you stop providing negative feedback about things you don't like. I'm suggesting that cheering for STO to crash and burn is not really in your best interests.
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That game isn't that good...I hate to say that....also the player base isn't there, and the game didn't have any revolutionary concepts or things in it....nor is it self supportive.
City of heroes had the player base....had many concepts that where revolutionary and where constantly stolen by other game groups...(like wow for example)....and was self supportive.
so if anything...city of heroes shows no game is safe.
That war hammer game shows...that if you have a good idea and your game play is bad..people will not play it.
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As far as I can see, STO's chances aren't as bad as WAR's, for a number of reasons.
First off, from what I heard, WAR had plenty of problems from the very onset. While it was drawing from a rich and already well-established universe, it was far too heavily oriented towards PvP, rather than any story-driven missions that exploredtook advantage of that universe. As far as I can see, STO has enough single player content (Episodes, Foundry Missions, STFs, etc) to engage players outside of PVP.
There's also the fact that, sadly, WAR was frequently dismissed as a WOW clone-- I've heard a lot of Warhammer Fantasy enthusiasts admit that the game just felt like WOW with Warhammer skins stitched on. As far as I'm aware, while there are a few other "space adventure" MMOs out there (EVE, for example), what I've seen of them is still different enough from STO in gameplay style that there's little overlap. Plus, let's be honest, Trekkies are a much larger and more dedicated fan base than Warhammer Fantasy fans.
Another problem is that WAR has been in decline for quite a while. It hit its peak in 2008, but then began suffering massive losses in players in the same year. As of 2011, it was just down to 3 servers. By contrast, I haven't heard any similar doom and gloom stories about STO (the loss of City of Heroes aside).
At the end of the day, I think Games Workshop nixed WAR because it wasn't making nearly as many returns as they thought it would, and because they have plenty of other, more reliable, sources of revenue (ie, the actual Warhammer Fantasy/Warhammer 40,000 tabletop games, which still have an active and dedicated player base despite GW's awful business decisions). While the same can be said of CBS, I don't think STO has reached the same level of failure as WAR to be considered dead financial weight yet.
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