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gonzeh84
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So,
I've played sto for about 3 years but took a long break just before the f2p transition. Wish I would of stayed subscribed for my vet rewards but couldn't afford to with family to provide for.
I've been back about 4 months and just finished grinding the TRIBBLE out of all 3 reps on my main char, it was horrible but it's all finished.
The problem is I have 5 more lvl 50 chars and I can't face doing it all again.
Anyone wanna motivate me to do it all again? Lol
I've played sto for about 3 years but took a long break just before the f2p transition. Wish I would of stayed subscribed for my vet rewards but couldn't afford to with family to provide for.
I've been back about 4 months and just finished grinding the TRIBBLE out of all 3 reps on my main char, it was horrible but it's all finished.
The problem is I have 5 more lvl 50 chars and I can't face doing it all again.
Anyone wanna motivate me to do it all again? Lol
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Omega's the easiest. Do an eSTF on each character, you've got enough O-marks for a day or two's worth of projects.
If someone would like to point to what you can do for Rom and Nuk marks, I'm all ears.
Its really not that difficult when you have the numbers of things to do in front of you, found this and its a great guide
My main (Vulcan Sci) just got T5 Rom, and already has T2 Omega and T1 Tholian. I might drive him up to T3's, might not. If he ever maxes out the other two, it will be purely incidental and only over time. I haven't even bought gear for him yet -- still deciding what I want to do.
I have a Caitian Tac I plan to eventually rep for T5 Omega. But I'm in no hurry.
I agree the best way is to pick one specialization per character and work toward that as T5. Doesn't hurt to get to T1 or T2 in the others just for the passives.
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This way it doesn't feel like a grind and yet all of my characters make steady progress.
Instead of trying to level your other avatars, I would just find another mechanic to play.
Do not torture yourself.
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Its like poking a dead horse.
You can be dedicated and get all the marks you need in 1 weekend (doing events rather than Epohh farming), than its just dumping every thing into the system. I would hold off on collecting gear until you hit T5, but for some that can be kinda hard considering the 2 week wait between T4 and T5. Use the time to grind out marks so in a few minutes of hitting T5, you have your full set.
The hardest part is the expertise and the wait.
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
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This, what we have, is not a grind it is a timed gate. A little over 1 month from the time that you reach lvl 50 to get end game gear with all the resources you need literally handed to you. The only people that this system punishes are people with lots of toons (and I don't mean 3-5, more like 6-15). The system is set up in a way to keep a player around for a while and not just get to lvl 50 in a day/week and bored in another week, but coming back and actually playing.
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
It would be so much nicer if you could just load up the items like fleet projects and let em run till it finished the tier/tiers rather than needing to babysit it every day. Would also alleviate the alt annoyance a bit since you could farm like mad and then just load up the project and ignore it and do whatever. Making the marks account bound/shared would make this even nicer.
The rewards could really use better sorting options and a option to hide the ones you don't care about would be nice as well.
PWE/Cryptic needs to take a step back and really look at what they want to do with STO. Since the PWE merger, they've turned the game into a Korean grindfest, and those sorts of games just don't do well here.
Starbases are a huge grind, and more than enough to keep people going back to play the same content over and over again, especially for small to mid sized fleets who don't have the resources of the mega fleets. Making people grind their way through multiple faction reps for every character is more punitive than it needs to be.
1) Grind resources to cap a given tier.
2) Grind more resources for the privilege of being able to access the next tier so you can grind yet more resources to cap that one.
3) Grind even more resources for the privilege of adding items to your individual 'store'.
4) Grind yet even more resources in order to buy the gear that you just added to the store.
The person that thought up that system, let alone the ones that thought it was actually a good system to implement, should be fired. Preferably with real fire. Even the starbases suffer from that idiotic grind, but at least it's spread out over a larger pool of people, so it's less painful.
Using that same mechanic on an individual level, not once, but three times (and possibly more down the road) isn't adding value to the game, it's punishing people for playing. Even Blizzard eventually woke up and figured that out. BioWare got wise early on when they started their rep system for SWTOR and made a fair portion of that account wide as well, so players wouldn't be punished for having alts and actually playing the game. It's probably past time Cryptic rethought the process here and streamlined it so it's not so punitive for the people that are actually paying the bills.
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Theres another rep-grind on it's way down the pipes.....this one i believe addresses tactical consoles.
There see?
Motivated!!!!
Actually, there is a reason to not unlock account-wide.
Now I agree that the grind is ridiculous, don't get me wrong. But going back to the days of pen and paper gaming, there has always been the concept of a separation between player and character, and that persists today in MMORPGs. Basically, just because you know something doesn't mean your character does. And just because someone in the game (NPC, alliance, whatever) knows one of your characters, it doesn't mean they know all of them.
Now I do agree that the grindfest should be more reasonable. I'm sure there are ways to do that. For example, why should I....
1. Grind marks
2. Use those marks in timer-based missions to gain rep points
3. Grind more marks to use to claim my reputation that I already earned in step 2.
4. Grind more marks to buy items (or unlock "stores") so I can get the items I already earned in steps 2 and 3...
5. Rinse, repeat to ridiculous extents.
There's gotta be a better way that doesn't just give everything away, but doesn't drive you insane with grinding the same missions over and over again.... One of those things could (and should) be to get rid of the marks requirements for steps 3 and 4. If you have the rep, then you have it - right then, right there, no need for double and triple marks taxation.
Ya know, the Omega grind isn't too bad - at least once you hit the elites you can get 100+ marks per STF. But Rommie is insanely time-consuming, and honestly the mark requirements should reflect the ability to gain marks. Especially when it seems that some times there are hardly any players actually out there doing the actions and you wait 10-20 minutes just to get into something - for a return of 25-40 marks. Or, I suppose, you could do the new rommie quests...but that return is pretty small also for the time you have to invest.
One thing the devs could consider when it comes to actually farming the marks is give us other ways to get marks that isn't dependant on other players, but gives a comparable return in rep gain.
Finally comes the question of - why even bother? I ask myself this all the time. I have 5 toons, 2 of which are T5 with all reps, with an additional 2 that are in the T4-T5 "home stretch" in some or all of their reps. This is, sadly, the substitute for a true "endgame." And that is one of the biggest flaws of the game as far as I can see it. What keeps people going in other games, like WoW, is the challenge of serious eng-game "dungeons" fighting multiple "bosses" who drop loot based on unique loot tables of items that you can't get anywhere else in the game. That strengthens those games, and strengthens guilds/clans/whatever. That could easily be tied into the other rep systems as well - "bosses" who drop fleet and (whatever appropriate) marks that could be split among the players on that run.
One last vent (and yes, I know this is going off-topic, but I do love this game, just wish it would reach for its potential) is the lack of drive for "exploration." Hit level 50, finish the episodes - what is left? Many of my ships never leave orbit of their faction's home world. Sure, I could go DOFFing, or try to collect all the Red Alerts. But what happened to the exploration, that was so key in the cannon? "Explore strange new worlds" and all that? Sure I could fly into various systems - but why bother?
The answer there is - a working crafting system. All it takes is an interface that is worthwhile, the ability to queue projects, and not needing to run back and forth to vendors for "patterns" for every single thing you want to make. Heck, you could consider the R&D console a "vending machine" and just charge the EC there. And put in some things that, when you reach the top levels, are comparable to the T5 gear. Maybe even do like WoW did a while back and make some things that are unique to a particular profession ("Sci officers gain TRIBBLE"), or add in some item enhancements that can be crafted. How does this fit in with the lack of ongoing "exploration?" Make missions where you have to go out and "quest" for crafting items - maybe some unique items that can only be found in certain areas, and are (moderately) rare appearances.
TL;DR: Every frustration in this game *could* easily be fixed. I love this game, I keep playing it aside form these "annoyances" - but sometimes it's almost like a parent looking at their kid and saying "you have so much more potential, if you would just work toward it."