no..it also needs an actual "I WIN" button in the center of the screen. When pressed it kills all opponents and announces you have won in every zone chat.
That may require too much effort from some...can it push itself?
Another factor the JHAS has in its favor is size. Really difficult to click on when there's lots of spam.
Anyway, most of the argument can be summarized by saying that the JHAS is the best fedscort around (not including warbirds, and not arguing about margin). However, it's still an escort, and is still vulnerable to the same things most escorts are.
The FPE's stats, while close in pure tanking, cannot match the JHAS' maneuverability, speed and firepower. While the difference is not big, it's there nonetheless.
The bug ship is not the most powerfull ship in the game xD...
There is a new ship now that is more overpowered than the bug... its the Fleet Ha'feh...
yes it has less turn rate... but who cares about turn rate when you can cloak... and have the same layout in terms of Boff has a usual bug has?
for me this is the best ship in the game right now... allthough i want another bug for my romulan, but i also want the ha'feh as bad for the character...
and in terms of size please... just go to the options and put them in a way that when you tab you only tab for players and not pets/mines... thats what i do... i dont need to click on any ship
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no..it also needs an actual "I WIN" button in the center of the screen. When pressed it kills all opponents and announces you have won in every zone chat.
Your crazy...
Every single ship in an instance should be automatically destroyed from simply being in the presence of its sheer epic awesomeness!
Have you ever noticed that the 3s delay can last longer because either you or the folks shooting at you are experiencing some latency? That's not counting any travel time issues from a Torp Spread that has a 100% chance to hit you and is just waiting to slam into that bare hull...
that makes romulan shets op not the bug ship op.Like I already posted few times (i even reported this when romulans were in beta) same ship with same consoles ,skill tree on a fed will have less crtH and CrtD compared to the same ship on the romulan side ...thats not only jhas ,thats about all ships.
Clearly you haven't been going up against the same bugs I've seen and and I think DDIS knows a little more than you on the best tanking ship(in the right hands)
Clearly you havent been against those bug ship pilots while they were in ships other then the jhas, while they kicked your TRIBBLE in a Patrol Escort, or whatever. - There is a correlation here -In most cases it demonstrates a certain commitment to the game for someone to procure the most expensive and prestigious ship in the game. That commitment often translates into deep knowledge of the game mechanics and player skill through experience.
It wasnt the Jhas that killed you, it was the pilot, and if they were in ANY warbird they would have beaten you just as well. If you want to lament overpowered ships that turn scrubs into gods, look no further then Romulan faction pilots who have their talent augmented by ridiculously imbalanced critical hit chance/severity, and Boff/racial augmented battle cloak mechanics that make KDF bop cloaks look as silly as the Defiant/Galaxy Dread's poor excuse for a cloaking device.
I like how some people still insists in Bugs not being op cause they require 'player skill', like if escorts itself weren't op and require any other skill than the ability to turn to your locked target and press two buttons every 20 secs.
I like how some people still insists in Bugs not being op cause they require 'player skill', like if escorts itself weren't op and require any other skill than the ability to turn to your locked target and press two buttons every 20 secs.
want to do that against me please?
Im sure your two buttons win everything .Btw can you tell me which two buttons because I dont use binds and I want to know what to click to be full of win like you.
want to do that against me please?
Im sure your two buttons win everything .Btw can you tell me which two buttons because I dont use binds and I want to know what to click to be full of win like you.
I don't use escorts, sorry.
PD: And the button to click is whatever you have your rapid fire in. You should try it. Heavy cannons + rapid fire = dps for dummies.
such a epic skilled player not playing escort...its almost a waste.
lol
Well that's your problem if you think an epic skilled and overpowered person like me should fly an escort to not waste all my epicness. My thought are exactly the oposite, you see.
that makes romulan shets op not the bug ship op.Like I already posted few times (i even reported this when romulans were in beta) same ship with same consoles ,skill tree on a fed will have less crtH and CrtD compared to the same ship on the romulan side ...thats not only jhas ,thats about all ships.
Didn't say it was just about the JHAS with that...but it's a way to make the JHAS better, which folks were joking about.
It's like my favorite ship to joke about currently...the R'Mor.
The R'Mor are more better than the Wells/Korath...because of the Rom BOFFs. The ships have the same stats, but the Rom BOFFs creates the situation where the R'Mor are more.
I like how some people still insists in Bugs not being op cause they require 'player skill'
How many folks are making that actual argument though as opposed to stating that some really bad folks end up flying them...and...the Bug's not enough to save them from being really bad. It's not an "I-Win for Dummies" sort of ship. If a person oozes fail, them being in a JHAS isn't going to stop that.
I once thought about getting a JHAS, because I'm so bad - the sheer epic fail of my flying one would be the greatest in-game troll ever against anybody that didn't have one.
I stayed away from escorts because like a lot of people I thought they were just to easy to fly and be called "Skilled".
I now own escorts and how wrong I was, I am addicted ! To control the damn thing requires skill alone then to get a kill without overshooting and all that jazz, soon made me a convert !
If you dont want to fly an escort out of principle then fine but you cant have an opinion on them and you are also holding yourself back !
I am inclined to agree and disagree with the original post. Yes the bug is OP but by how much? The gap has closed a lot when you start to think about other ships like the streamrunner, mobius, and a few fleet ships.
The main problem I see with only allowing so many ships into a que match is:
1. How does the game decide which bug goes in which match?
2. If you had spent all the time grinding/ money on a bug would you be happy if you where told you couldn't use it? If that's the case why let fleet ships in against c-store ships etc.
3. It may be OP but only in the right hands
The way I see it either find ways to deal with them or get one.
Ive got an orb weaver that will blow half of your jhas to scrap metal.
what of it?
Escorts are for noobs. sorry,
Edit:
not saying that like a bad thing, really.
Its like picking the fighter or barbarian class in every other game you've ever played.
Its easy to do well. Its made for beginners to learn the game.
Not only is it easy to do well its hard to mess it up.
Argue 'n QQ all you want., It is what it is, 'n I think I pretty much just summed it up.
and for the record, if the player isnt good the bugship is nowhere near op. its only powerful in the hands of a competent pilot. parsing some bugs in pug estfs made me lol. 900 dps? wut? 8 deaths in infected. wut?
I think the playerbase is fully in the trance of "buy ship, win game" and it makes me laugh.
Bugship not Op? Lol
Is your point someone could make one not op with all torps or something?
Im sure it works for you when you get scrambled :rolleyes:
he was talking about targeting small ships .Pets are small ...at least is how they look in game
:rollseyes: :P ? Does that make you smart?
-Depending how you are speced, scramble has little to no effect. I regularly target "blue" enemies while scrambled on certain toons.
-Pets are not small ships (as far as targeting is concerned), if you disable pet targeting, you can only manually or auto-target one if it's attacking you but tab clears it to an actual ship. No reason to ever hit tab more that 5 times. Maybe you should try it before commenting on it.
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So realistically, you only need to have the exact number of doffs that you need. ~leadme2kirk
Bugship not Op? Lol
Is your point someone could make one not op with all torps or something?
My point was basically in my fleet advanced im parsing out 5-10 times higher than some of these FOTM "i gotta bug now im badass" pilots.
The only good bugs are the ones piloted by good players. (and yes, then the bugship is unmatched). The ship itself has the potential to be OP. It is not OP on its own. it takes someone that knows how to use it effectively to make it that way.
Hell I watched one guy overspin himself so badly with the turn rate he was literally flying backwards. A solid 3/4 of the new bugs out there are being flown by these sort of people.
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My point was basically in my fleet advanced im parsing out 5-10 times higher than some of these FOTM "i gotta bug now im badass" pilots.
The only good bugs are the ones piloted by good players. (and yes, then the bugship is unmatched). The ship itself has the potential to be OP. It is not OP on its own. it takes someone that knows how to use it effectively to make it that way.
Hell I watched one guy overspin himself so badly with the turn rate he was literally flying backwards. A solid 3/4 of the new bugs out there are being flown by these sort of people.
^^This
Most bug pilots suck, and the bug ship isn't going to help. A really great pilot, however, will totally rock the bug. I kill bug pilots solo all the time, but what I don't do is kill a great player in a bug all the time.
I will say, though, The gap between the bug and other ships is getting smaller. Early 2012 the bug was way too OP, but now it's just better than most ships.
Most bug pilots suck, and the bug ship isn't going to help. A really great pilot, however, will totally rock the bug. I kill bug pilots solo all the time, but what I don't do is kill a great player in a bug all the time.
I will say, though, The gap between the bug and other ships is getting smaller. Early 2012 the bug was way too OP, but now it's just better than most ships.
Just because most pilots are teribad, doesn't excuse the bug from being the best escort
I will say, though, The gap between the bug and other ships is getting smaller. Early 2012 the bug was way too OP, but now it's just better than most ships.
It's still better than most ships.
Please try not to parse my arguments. I tend to say a lot of different things that are connected as a whole.
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That may require too much effort from some...can it push itself?
Its balanced if you're Cryptic!:rolleyes:
Anyway, most of the argument can be summarized by saying that the JHAS is the best fedscort around (not including warbirds, and not arguing about margin). However, it's still an escort, and is still vulnerable to the same things most escorts are.
The FPE's stats, while close in pure tanking, cannot match the JHAS' maneuverability, speed and firepower. While the difference is not big, it's there nonetheless.
tab...cycle tab 20000 times till you are lucky
Im sure most people use romulans now so yea no need for facts because its romulans online.
There is a new ship now that is more overpowered than the bug... its the Fleet Ha'feh...
yes it has less turn rate... but who cares about turn rate when you can cloak... and have the same layout in terms of Boff has a usual bug has?
for me this is the best ship in the game right now... allthough i want another bug for my romulan, but i also want the ha'feh as bad for the character...
and in terms of size please... just go to the options and put them in a way that when you tab you only tab for players and not pets/mines... thats what i do... i dont need to click on any ship
Federation :: Fleetless :: Klingon
Jorge Silva - Tac | Nayja - Sci | Jorge E. Silva - Eng
Jorge R. Silva - Tac (Romulan Fed)
Nayja K Silva - Sci | Vurg'jah - Tac
Your crazy...
Every single ship in an instance should be automatically destroyed from simply being in the presence of its sheer epic awesomeness!
Have you ever noticed that the 3s delay can last longer because either you or the folks shooting at you are experiencing some latency? That's not counting any travel time issues from a Torp Spread that has a 100% chance to hit you and is just waiting to slam into that bare hull...
Now you're talking...a JHAS w/ 5x Sub/Sup Op.
that makes romulan shets op not the bug ship op.Like I already posted few times (i even reported this when romulans were in beta) same ship with same consoles ,skill tree on a fed will have less crtH and CrtD compared to the same ship on the romulan side ...thats not only jhas ,thats about all ships.
Clearly you havent been against those bug ship pilots while they were in ships other then the jhas, while they kicked your TRIBBLE in a Patrol Escort, or whatever. - There is a correlation here -In most cases it demonstrates a certain commitment to the game for someone to procure the most expensive and prestigious ship in the game. That commitment often translates into deep knowledge of the game mechanics and player skill through experience.
It wasnt the Jhas that killed you, it was the pilot, and if they were in ANY warbird they would have beaten you just as well. If you want to lament overpowered ships that turn scrubs into gods, look no further then Romulan faction pilots who have their talent augmented by ridiculously imbalanced critical hit chance/severity, and Boff/racial augmented battle cloak mechanics that make KDF bop cloaks look as silly as the Defiant/Galaxy Dread's poor excuse for a cloaking device.
want to do that against me please?
Im sure your two buttons win everything .Btw can you tell me which two buttons because I dont use binds and I want to know what to click to be full of win like you.
I don't use escorts, sorry.
PD: And the button to click is whatever you have your rapid fire in. You should try it. Heavy cannons + rapid fire = dps for dummies.
such a epic skilled player not playing escort...its almost a waste.
lol
Well that's your problem if you think an epic skilled and overpowered person like me should fly an escort to not waste all my epicness. My thought are exactly the oposite, you see.
Didn't say it was just about the JHAS with that...but it's a way to make the JHAS better, which folks were joking about.
It's like my favorite ship to joke about currently...the R'Mor.
The R'Mor are more better than the Wells/Korath...because of the Rom BOFFs. The ships have the same stats, but the Rom BOFFs creates the situation where the R'Mor are more.
How many folks are making that actual argument though as opposed to stating that some really bad folks end up flying them...and...the Bug's not enough to save them from being really bad. It's not an "I-Win for Dummies" sort of ship. If a person oozes fail, them being in a JHAS isn't going to stop that.
I once thought about getting a JHAS, because I'm so bad - the sheer epic fail of my flying one would be the greatest in-game troll ever against anybody that didn't have one.
I now own escorts and how wrong I was, I am addicted ! To control the damn thing requires skill alone then to get a kill without overshooting and all that jazz, soon made me a convert !
If you dont want to fly an escort out of principle then fine but you cant have an opinion on them and you are also holding yourself back !
The main problem I see with only allowing so many ships into a que match is:
1. How does the game decide which bug goes in which match?
2. If you had spent all the time grinding/ money on a bug would you be happy if you where told you couldn't use it? If that's the case why let fleet ships in against c-store ships etc.
3. It may be OP but only in the right hands
The way I see it either find ways to deal with them or get one.
And that's my 2 cents for the week
what of it?
Escorts are for noobs. sorry,
Edit:
not saying that like a bad thing, really.
Its like picking the fighter or barbarian class in every other game you've ever played.
Its easy to do well. Its made for beginners to learn the game.
Not only is it easy to do well its hard to mess it up.
Argue 'n QQ all you want., It is what it is, 'n I think I pretty much just summed it up.
Bugship not Op? Lol
Is your point someone could make one not op with all torps or something?
^this^
#1 You do know there's an option that lets you not auto-target pets right?
#2 Bugship + Romulan = double OP.
If your post is anything like, "I have a sandwich so you can't be starving" it's time to rethink posting. ~thlaylierah
Im sure it works for you when you get scrambled :rolleyes:
he was talking about targeting small ships .Pets are small ...at least is how they look in game
:rollseyes: :P ? Does that make you smart?
-Depending how you are speced, scramble has little to no effect. I regularly target "blue" enemies while scrambled on certain toons.
-Pets are not small ships (as far as targeting is concerned), if you disable pet targeting, you can only manually or auto-target one if it's attacking you but tab clears it to an actual ship. No reason to ever hit tab more that 5 times. Maybe you should try it before commenting on it.
If your post is anything like, "I have a sandwich so you can't be starving" it's time to rethink posting. ~thlaylierah
yes.Problem ? :rolleyes:
My point was basically in my fleet advanced im parsing out 5-10 times higher than some of these FOTM "i gotta bug now im badass" pilots.
The only good bugs are the ones piloted by good players. (and yes, then the bugship is unmatched). The ship itself has the potential to be OP. It is not OP on its own. it takes someone that knows how to use it effectively to make it that way.
Hell I watched one guy overspin himself so badly with the turn rate he was literally flying backwards. A solid 3/4 of the new bugs out there are being flown by these sort of people.
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^^This
Most bug pilots suck, and the bug ship isn't going to help. A really great pilot, however, will totally rock the bug. I kill bug pilots solo all the time, but what I don't do is kill a great player in a bug all the time.
I will say, though, The gap between the bug and other ships is getting smaller. Early 2012 the bug was way too OP, but now it's just better than most ships.
Now I know your just trolling.
If your post is anything like, "I have a sandwich so you can't be starving" it's time to rethink posting. ~thlaylierah
Just because most pilots are teribad, doesn't excuse the bug from being the best escort
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
Ill just redirect your attention to paragraph two of my post.
It's still better than most ships.
Please try not to parse my arguments. I tend to say a lot of different things that are connected as a whole.
My bad
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