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uryenserellont
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namely the Galaxy bridge. I just went to my new romulan's Dhelan Warbird bridge and it's nice and small. It made me remember how huge some of the c-store bridges are, most noticeably for me the Galaxy bridge which I think everyone is familiar with from TNG.
Anyone remember when it was said that bridges were purposely made too large because of the camera? I don't have any quotes but I do remember that being said. Well that's apparently not the case anymore. The Dhelan Warbird bridge is almost the size the Galaxy bridge should be:
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/1913/9m0n.jpg
(guess we can't post images)
Top left is galaxy bridge from TNG, top right is Dhelan Warbird bridge from game, botton is Galaxy bridge from game. Look at the difference. The Warbird's scale almost matches the TNG scale, but the ingame Galaxy scale is so off the charts it's comical (plus it's not the same bridge anyway, I mean what's with the raised platform?)
Bridges are simply not that large. The Odyssey pack bridge is an exception but it also has no real life comparison like the Galaxy. We know what size the Galaxy should be.
Not like any of us visit our bridges often, but I know if they re-scaled at least the Galaxy bridge to match the show's scale I would buy it. We know now that small bridges are possible.
Anyone remember when it was said that bridges were purposely made too large because of the camera? I don't have any quotes but I do remember that being said. Well that's apparently not the case anymore. The Dhelan Warbird bridge is almost the size the Galaxy bridge should be:
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/1913/9m0n.jpg
(guess we can't post images)
Top left is galaxy bridge from TNG, top right is Dhelan Warbird bridge from game, botton is Galaxy bridge from game. Look at the difference. The Warbird's scale almost matches the TNG scale, but the ingame Galaxy scale is so off the charts it's comical (plus it's not the same bridge anyway, I mean what's with the raised platform?)
Bridges are simply not that large. The Odyssey pack bridge is an exception but it also has no real life comparison like the Galaxy. We know what size the Galaxy should be.
Not like any of us visit our bridges often, but I know if they re-scaled at least the Galaxy bridge to match the show's scale I would buy it. We know now that small bridges are possible.
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I always referred to them as the football stadiums. :P
Well I hear they are working on the canonical bridges, so hopefully they will revise the old ones without making us buy new ones.
Hahahahaha oh you
More than likely, they'll package them into expensive bundles like they did with the Belfast interior.
The best possible option I see is to keep what's there, and update the bundle to also have access to smaller ones as a choice when you go to the ship tailor.
But yeah, make it so STO
I dont think Ive ever heard anyone say 'I love my oversized bridge, please make more just like it'.
But Ive seen plenty of complaints. Just like this one.
There is one oversized bridge I like. Unity I think. But then again, it has that "fleet flagship command center" vibe. A properly proportioned central area surrounded by a huge command and communications deck. And then they made the main viewer really small *boggles*
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
People complain more than they give praise. It's a common theme throughout games and any customer facing industry in fact.
I think changing a bought product even to improve it (according to canon) is a slippery slope considering how loosely canon is represented in this game
Also, a lot of people doesn't post on the forums, and a lot of them doesn't even read them.
This is extremely obvious on the sovereign and galaxy type bridges.
On the sovereign ones they have even had to add in extra bridge stations and tack on ramps to the stairs to make it work.
Honestly you could fit a shuttlecraft on those bridges. :rolleyes:
Though if you want truly massive, check out some of the end game klingon cruiser/carrier bridges.
I am pretty sure you could fit some frigates in those bridges without them touching either of the walls or ceiling
all I can say is...good luck with that.
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Yeah you have a point about changing something that someone bought. I'm never a fan of that unless it's pure improvement, and in this case re-scaling might not be considered an improvement for some. I can't imagine someone not wanting their "Galaxy" bridge to actually be changed into a true Galaxy bridge though. Did they buy it because it's oversized, or did they buy it because it's supposed to be a Galaxy bridge? If they do re-scale the bridge they'll probably offer it separately, but I know I'll buy it.
But I do remember them saying the bridges are that large because of the camera and clipping. If I could find a quote I would but I know that was the reason. But we have proper small bridges in game now. The Andorian escort bridges are also properly scaled and I'm sure there's plenty of newer bridges I haven't seen yet that are the same.
Camera issues are no longer an excuse.
If these small bridges work fine (and they do) there's no reason for the oversized bridges like they originally said. I have no camera issues with my Dhelan Warbird bridge. I mean I can't move the camera to a zoomed out floor-level view of my captain in his chair which I would be able to do if the bridge was oversized, but so what.
It shouldn't be too hard to re-scale the Galaxy bridge to proper scale. Most of the assets are there (some would need to be redone), they just need to be placed in a smaller map. It's not like there's not plenty of visual aids to help get the scale right.
As with everything it's a question of man-hours used versus ROI. If it takes Taco 20 man-hour to redo a bridge, and he has to redo a dozen of them, is it financially worth it to Cryptic to tie-up 240 man-hours @ $30-$40 per man-hour to do it? Are they going to recoup the $8k-$10k they put into the project, and if not wouldn't it be better to put those man-hours into something where they are going to recoup their money?
I'd say that if they're seriously intending to go back and redo the FED ship interiors (as I believe is the case), then I do think there's an opportunity to go in and freshen up the old bridges. I enjoy visiting my ROM interior; it's scaled appropriately, the mood is great, and it's plentifully detailed. It makes visiting the interior more enjoyable. If they can capture that level of quality in the supposed new FED interior, I would gladly purchase new bridges (or at least visit the ones I already purchased).
At the very least, I'd be very happy to see a redesign of the Intrepid bridge, which is incredibly inaccurate.
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like I said .... good luck with that.
:rolleyes:
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Its there as one of the default briges for cruisers, they just scaled it up bigtime. :rolleyes:
I know. Why don't we have the one shown in their trailer?
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How many man-hours would it really take to rescale some of these oversized and inaccurate bridges? I bet if you let the community do it we'd have highly accurate bridges within a day. Like I said most of the assets are already there, some needing to be adjusted (IE made smaller) but it can't be too difficult. I used to do a lot of modding for Morrowind with it's construction set, and unless their tools are a lot less powerful and convenient than that 10 year old software it should be easy for them.
(I don't know what software they use for creating bridges. Maybe it really is a pain in the TRIBBLE to use and would require a lot of man hours. I'm basing this off my experience with very user friendly software)
That's a large bridge but at least it's not trying to pass itself off as a bridge everyone knows from a series or movie and fails horribly at it. My beef is mostly with the so-called "Galaxy" bridge, but other old oversized bridges also need rescaling. They were made at a time when there were apparently clipping and other camera issues with small interiors. That's obviously not the case anymore.
They apparently never fix bugs though, so I have little hope that they'll create proper accurate bridges.
Slippery slope how? People bought them to have something different..Its very unlikely people bought them because they could turn it into a nightclub.
How much time do you spend on your bridge? Considering theres nothing to do because its a social zone I doubt that you spend any time there at all.
And what does posting on the forums have to do with it? I hear this complaint all the time regardless of if its in the forums, in-game local/zone chat or my Fleet...A very large Fleet.
Sure thats not the majority. But if there was a poll placed in game asking if people were satisfied with the size of the ships bridge sizes it would reflect whats being said here.
I really don't think people wouldn't mind them redoing the bridges, since we were told originally these were meant to be the canonical bridges. I mean I remember when they added the Sovereign Bridges and the utter disappointment people expressed. Because it just ended up being a re-dress of the Cryptic "Galaxy" bridges, only with some support struts added.
I bet people would be more pissed in having to buy new bridges that were true canonical sets.
Heh, if anyone (especially Cryptic) doubts me. How much you wanna bet that people would buy canonical bridges more than these old football stadiums?
Good GAWD, that's horrible!
People can make better bridges in the Foundry!
I hate the store bridges. The bridges are horribly scaled, the textures are horrible and are not properly scaled and aligned to their geometry. The designs all include huge unsightly steps ledges and drops so our BO's can brake their necks when the camera shakes and bridge officer spots are often poorly placed leading to horrible transporter accidents.
If cryptic ever re-mastered the bridges I would be very happy. They seriously need it as right now they are not worth the money paid for them. Further more every one I know who has them would be happy. I have never encountered any one claiming to be happy with their bridge on the forums or in the game who didn't have the Belfast or the Clasic bridge.
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