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general1devongeneral1devon Member Posts: 298 Arc User
edited August 2013 in Ten Forward
I'll just leave This here. This is my permanent response to the Elitists, as well as just an amusing video. Feel free to comment as you like and check out more videos by these guys.

And no, this is not a flame, however the video brings a valid point that applies to more then Battlefield.

*Edit* Actually watch the video. Its to show how ridiculous and funny elitism with any platform is. The part of it that's my permanent response is when the Assault says: "Grow the **** up, its still Battlefield, whether you play on PC or on the console it's still Battlefield and ya' know what we all play this because we love Battlefield Right?" *others agree* "I mean c'mon its not like where playing some Call Of Duty Game or something (The Irony being they're being elitists about Battlefield Vs Call of Duty here)." My point is what the assault says is my response to Elitists.

Some of BFF's other videos:
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  • topsettopset Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Err, how exactly does this belong in General Discussion?

    Plus I guess I would agree with them, MMOs don't translate well to consoles. They just don't, I don't think STO has any place on the PS4.
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Do we really need a repeat of the last PC vs Console mess?

    OP has their opinion. We have ours. Just agree to disagree and leave it at that.
  • cgta1967cgta1967 Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    so you are mad because people posted thier opinions in a thread you started that you are claiming is your thread ?....so mad that you decided to start another one and post a video trying to degrade them ? then try and backpeddle by saying " oh this isnt a flame or nuthin...."

    real cool guy eh ?


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  • galaxyrider0galaxyrider0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Well, I don't know about you thread.

    I'll not enter this discussion about PC or consoles either.

    But for me, STO require too much commands and interaction that only a keyboard and a mouse can provide.
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  • phaserfredphaserfred Member Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Umm, because consoles suck and PC's win?

    PC's are inherently more powerful, upgradeable and mostly interchangeable.

    Consoles are not..

    Leave STO off the console..take your little hand paddles somewhere else.

    Thanks :)
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Why would anybody want to deny Console users, a crappier version of STO than PC users already have?

    <chuckle>
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    If someone disagree with you, he is an elitist ? Wow...

    Anyway, want to play STO on PS4 ? Plug your computer to your TV, plug a pad, start STO. Enjoy !
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  • general1devongeneral1devon Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Did anyone actually watch the video? I'd suggest doing show, it shows how funny elitism towards any console really is.
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  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    The difference being between your little flame video and the facts at hand are that STO doesn't exist on console. Never has, never will. So it's hard to say that the PC version is better as in the video since there is no comparison. The developers abandoned a console version at release for their own reasons and have no plans to bring it to back. If it was such a great idea and or possible, it would have been so already.

    Regardless of your own feelings of superiority (elitism) of a console which hasn't been released yet it's more than likely never coming to console whether is be X Box, PS, Wii or whatever and it's not a question of which is better it just didn't and still doesn't work as a business model.
  • solidneutroniumsolidneutronium Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Consoles are adequate, barely. It's those Mac users you need to watch out for.
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  • general1devongeneral1devon Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    daveyny wrote: »
    Why would anybody want to deny Console users, a crappier version of STO than PC users already have?

    <chuckle>
    :cool:

    I see what you did there ;)
    tc10b wrote: »
    The difference being between your little flame video and the facts at hand are that STO doesn't exist on console. Never has, never will. So it's hard to say that the PC version is better as in the video since there is no comparison. The developers abandoned a console version at release for their own reasons and have no plans to bring it to back. If it was such a great idea and or possible, it would have been so already.

    Regardless of your own feelings of superiority (elitism) of a console which hasn't been released yet it's more than likely never coming to console whether is be X Box, PS, Wii or whatever and it's not a question of which is better it just didn't and still doesn't work as a business model.

    Again, Watch the Video. I didn't make it, it clearly says it was made by Machinnima and Happy Hour, which I am neither of. Thats how I know you didn't even watch it. I could have put a rick roll video and you wouldn't know.

    *Edit* hmmm now that i think about it.
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    daveyny wrote: »
    Why would anybody want to deny Console users, a crappier version of STO than PC users already have?

    <chuckle>
    :cool:

    Because I would probably have to play with these guys during E-STFs etc ... "Hit the Nanite Spheres with Gravity Well ..." - "Ok just wait 10min" :P

    PS : Watched the video ... it's just stupid ... enjoying "Fun" - games like GTA on consoles as well ... but would never play MMOs or RTS etc on a console ... so not sure whats your point, besides "I don't like PC Games, because everyone playing them is an arrogant dipsh...."
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  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Again, Watch the Video. I didn't make it, it clearly says it was made by Machinnima and Happy Hour, which I am neither of. Thats how I know you didn't even watch it. I could have put a rick roll video and you wouldn't know.

    I did watch it. A load of guys sitting round talking about how different the game is and the voice of reason eventually saying that it's just a game and people should get on with playing it. It ends talking about how TRIBBLE Call of Duty is in comparison.

    What you don't seem to realise is that in the video that you posted (or your video for the purposes of the discussion, to clarify for the less able to comprehend) you are represented by the noob who keeps throwing grenades and is arbitrarily hating on PC users and the "crowded" graphics. An argument that makes no sense at all.

    Fact is, it's not Battlefield and it's not coming to console. It was never here to start with, so your crappy comparison doesn't apply because there is no console version to be elitist about.
    You need to find a better outlet for that rather than baiting and trolling the forums with this anti computer garbage continually.
  • cgta1967cgta1967 Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    tc10b wrote: »
    ....What you don't seem to realize is that... you are represented by the noob who keeps throwing grenades and is arbitrarily hating on PC users and the "crowded" graphics......

    hehe....very entertaining reply indeed :)
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  • general1devongeneral1devon Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    tc10b wrote: »
    I did watch it. A load of guys sitting round talking about how different the game is and the voice of reason eventually saying that it's just a game and people should get on with playing it. It ends talking about how TRIBBLE Call of Duty is in comparison.

    What you don't seem to realise is that in the video that you posted (or your video for the purposes of the discussion, to clarify for the less able to comprehend) you are represented by the noob who keeps throwing grenades and is arbitrarily hating on PC users and the "crowded" graphics. An argument that makes no sense at all.

    Fact is, it's not Battlefield and it's not coming to console. It was never here to start with, so your crappy comparison doesn't apply because there is no console version to be elitist about.
    You need to find a better outlet for that rather than baiting and trolling the forums with this anti computer garbage continually.

    What you don't realize is I don't hate all PC users, I just hate the ones who think they're superior to everyone else because they play PC (Hence the one in the video). I play all systems, but I prefer my console for many things. Don't assume simply because I dream about STO on Consoles that I hate PC. its like BFF's admitted in the video, Consoles have less frames then PC but each platform has drawbacks. The purpose of the video, and this thread (besides stating my stance towards elitism no matter the platform) was to poke fun at Elitism of each Platform, not to start a new argument. So enjoy the video. :cool:

    On a different note, anyone else excited for the next Battlefield installment?
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  • eulifdaviseulifdavis Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Please provide one drawback to a PC. Seriously. You can't name a single thing.

    Price? I can build a competent gaming PC for the same price as a console and TV.

    Controls? Mouse is both more precise and faster than analog sticks. Keyboard has a lot more controls available than 4-6 buttons and 4 shoulders. Keyboard controls can be operated by one hand instead of needing both to stabilize the controller. If you REALLY prefer a controller, though, they're all USB - you can plug your favorite controller flavor into the PC and play with it. You can't do the reverse - you can only plug USB keyboards into consoles to TYPE with, not to actually play a game.

    Graphics? PC graphics are always superior to console graphics. Consoles are obsolete by the time they are barely in stores. They then go through several years of software updates and mediocre titles before the next hardware revision. Your PC, so long as it's not using an integrated graphics solution, starts with more graphics horsepower. It's also capable of higher resolutions, multi-monitor gaming, etc.

    Processing Power? PC again. Don't even need to explain why, just look at the previous argument.

    Upgrading? For consoles, you can only buy accessories. For PC, if you want more speed/power/coolness, you replace the requisite part(s). Need better graphics performance? Buy a new video card. System lagging? Probably need more RAM or a faster CPU. Easy to buy, easy to install, and cheaper than replacing the whole console.

    Portability? Gaming laptop. You lose a lot of the upgradability (though you can still upgrade the RAM, HDD space, and in a few cases the video card), but it comes as an entirely self-contained unit. You can't do that with a console because you still need a TV.

    Game Distribution Options? PC again. Consoles get 2 choices: physical copies or the console brand's digital store. With a PC, you get physical copies, Steam, Origin, GMG, GOG, Amazon Digital Distribution, Direct2Drive, direct-from-the-developer.....

    Game Updates? Console developers have to pay licensing fees for every update they want to deploy. Consequently, many developers or publishers let bugs stay for MONTHS before fixing them, or sometimes even just abandon a game rather than spend some of their profit revenue to fix their shoddy product. PCs don't have these licensing fees, all updates/patches are free to distribute.


    I'm sure there's more reasons someone might come up with, but I'll be able to answer them as they come. This is just a starting list to show you, categorically, why PCs really are the superior platform. This is not hate, this is simply a presentation of fact.
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  • cgta1967cgta1967 Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    I do play one mmo with a controller and it is much better than the keyboard/mouse....it has super heroes :)
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  • eulifdaviseulifdavis Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    cgta1967 wrote: »
    I do play one mmo with a controller and it is much better than the keyboard/mouse....it has super heroes :)
    And that's a control PREFERENCE, not a fact. I, in fact, hate console controls, but I left that out of my exposition above. Instead, I focused on the versatility of their respective pointing devices, and the number of control buttons available.
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  • cgta1967cgta1967 Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    no its a fact... champions is indeed much better with a controller.
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  • eulifdaviseulifdavis Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    cgta1967 wrote: »
    no its a fact... champions is indeed much better with a controller.
    No, it's a PREFERENCE or an OPINION. I could argue the exact opposite - I played Champions as well, and I much prefer a keyboard/mouse.

    You're failing to provide quantifiable (or unarguable) evidence to support your position. That's why it's an opinion.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    cgta1967 wrote: »
    no its a fact... champions is indeed much better with a controller.
    For you maybe. I hates controller, and can't do anything with it. I would suck so bad with it on Champions (or anything) I would rather try to play rome total war with a joystick.
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  • cgta1967cgta1967 Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    lol...you guys are so easy....:rolleyes:

    carry on.

    rofl.
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  • cgta1967cgta1967 Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Geekers Law: You want to see a nerd rage ? say that something is 'better' than something else on a gaming forum.


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  • elessymelessym Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    cgta1967 wrote: »
    lol...you guys are so easy....:rolleyes:

    carry on.

    rofl.
    cgta1967 wrote: »
    Geekers Law: You want to see a nerd rage ? say that something is 'better' than something else on a gaming forum.


    ....what do you know...it works !

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  • cgta1967cgta1967 Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ...me so sorry ....

    got caught up in the whole PC is better than console fad that this thread is about .....
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  • general1devongeneral1devon Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    eulifdavis wrote: »
    Please provide one drawback to a PC. Seriously. You can't name a single thing.

    Price? I can build a competent gaming PC for the same price as a console and TV.

    Controls? Mouse is both more precise and faster than analog sticks. Keyboard has a lot more controls available than 4-6 buttons and 4 shoulders. Keyboard controls can be operated by one hand instead of needing both to stabilize the controller. If you REALLY prefer a controller, though, they're all USB - you can plug your favorite controller flavor into the PC and play with it. You can't do the reverse - you can only plug USB keyboards into consoles to TYPE with, not to actually play a game.

    Graphics? PC graphics are always superior to console graphics. Consoles are obsolete by the time they are barely in stores. They then go through several years of software updates and mediocre titles before the next hardware revision. Your PC, so long as it's not using an integrated graphics solution, starts with more graphics horsepower. It's also capable of higher resolutions, multi-monitor gaming, etc.

    Processing Power? PC again. Don't even need to explain why, just look at the previous argument.

    Upgrading? For consoles, you can only buy accessories. For PC, if you want more speed/power/coolness, you replace the requisite part(s). Need better graphics performance? Buy a new video card. System lagging? Probably need more RAM or a faster CPU. Easy to buy, easy to install, and cheaper than replacing the whole console.

    Portability? Gaming laptop. You lose a lot of the upgradability (though you can still upgrade the RAM, HDD space, and in a few cases the video card), but it comes as an entirely self-contained unit. You can't do that with a console because you still need a TV.

    Game Distribution Options? PC again. Consoles get 2 choices: physical copies or the console brand's digital store. With a PC, you get physical copies, Steam, Origin, GMG, GOG, Amazon Digital Distribution, Direct2Drive, direct-from-the-developer.....

    Game Updates? Console developers have to pay licensing fees for every update they want to deploy. Consequently, many developers or publishers let bugs stay for MONTHS before fixing them, or sometimes even just abandon a game rather than spend some of their profit revenue to fix their shoddy product. PCs don't have these licensing fees, all updates/patches are free to distribute.


    I'm sure there's more reasons someone might come up with, but I'll be able to answer them as they come. This is just a starting list to show you, categorically, why PCs really are the superior platform. This is not hate, this is simply a presentation of fact.

    Found this on Gamefaq's:

    "Pros of playing on the PC:

    Mods - You basically have unlimited DLCs. Download new UIs, graphic enhancement mods, add mounts, quests, music, etc.
    Better graphics - Newer PCs will potentially see some increased performance and visual quality
    Customization - Tailor your gaming experience to fit your play style with video settings, control settings, audio settings and mods
    Largest Control Variety - You can use a Keyboard/Mouse and any other peripherals available to the PC. Xbox or PS3 Controllers can also be used with a little bit of work.

    Cons of playing on the PC:

    Cost - Generally takes a larger initial investment to play games smoothly on the PC
    Tweaking/Optimization - May take some tweaking of your video settings and possibly controls to get optimal performance
    Some maintenance (patches, drivers) can be expected.

    Pros of playing on the Console:

    Little or no Initial Setup - Plug and Play
    Convenient - Sofa Gaming
    Assured Performance Consistency - Skyrim is likely to run well on consoles because developers know the exact hardware specifications they are designing for.
    Achievements/Trophies --- I disagree with this one, as long as you have Steam you generally have Achievements, not that having them or not is a big deal.
    Consoles are generally the first to get official DLCs

    Cons of playing on the Console:

    No ability for Advanced Video settings (in game).
    No mod support.
    Locked to a specific control scheme."

    Seems like a pretty good list.
    cgta1967 wrote: »
    ...me so sorry ....

    got caught up in the whole PC is better than console fad that this thread is about .....
    This thread was actually poking fun at Elitism of all platforms, not about PC better then console or console better then PC.
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  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    snip

    Those are the opinions of one particular site and are pretty generic. A large number of them do not apply to STO or your beloved PS4, are completely subjective and bare little to no relevance in the discussion of whether or not to waste time money and resources to develop something that the majority of players on this forum and I'm willing to bet game neither need nor want.

    In neither this or any other thread have you presented any solid argument for porting STO to the PS4 or other next generation console other than it would be convenient for you because you would rather spend the money on that than a new laptop. At least Mac users had a slightly better argument that justifies the Developers working on a port, but we've yet to see and test it's effectiveness.
    This thread was actually poking fun at Elitism of all platforms, not about PC better then console or console better then PC.

    Well no it's not, you deliberately titled the thread and referenced a video which calls PC players elitists for whatever reason. I've yet to see anything objective or humorous about your own elitism about consoles.
  • general1devongeneral1devon Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    tc10b wrote: »
    Those are the opinions of one particular site and are pretty generic. A large number of them do not apply to STO or your beloved PS4, are completely subjective and bare little to no relevance in the discussion of whether or not to waste time money and resources to develop something that the majority of players on this forum and I'm willing to bet game neither need nor want.

    In neither this or any other thread have you presented any solid argument for porting STO to the PS4 or other next generation console other than it would be convenient for you because you would rather spend the money on that than a new laptop. At least Mac users had a slightly better argument that justifies the Developers working on a port, but we've yet to see and test it's effectiveness.



    Well no it's not, you deliberately titled the thread and referenced a video which calls PC players elitists for whatever reason.(Because it's funny, it calls the guy in the video an elitist because he comes onto the console BF3 and complains that the frames are slower, smaller map ect.) I've yet to see anything objective or humorous about your own elitism about consoles.
    I Can list things that are wrong with every platfrom there is, ever platform, even PC has pros and cons. If Battlefield Friends had a video about console elitism I'd post that one too.

    THIS IS NOT ABOUT PORTING STO TO THE FRIKIN PS4, XBOX ONE, PS3, XBOX 360 OR Wii/Wii U.Can not stress this enough, this is not that thread okay. And if you looked I changed the title to a more suitable title, though it seems to have only changed it on the Original post only.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikxc0aMZVXk

    This is the one you should have put, it reminds me of player's on STO and those who may some day play this game.
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  • general1devongeneral1devon Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikxc0aMZVXk

    This is the one you should have put, it reminds me of player's on STO and those who may some day play this game.

    Ah yeas teamspeak, the voice chat on STO is awful.
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