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yreodred
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First things first:
The problem:
COMPARED to all other crusiers (even Starfleet cruisers) the Galaxy class just got the short end of the stick.
Cryptic intentionally made it the enigneering heaviest ship in the game, knowing that Engineering will have the most passive (and boring) BOFF powers of all career branches.
And if that's not enough they gave that ship 3 science and only 2 tactical console slots (?), althrough it only got a Lt. Science BOFF slot.
All other ships can either tank better or be more offensive, because having 3 (!) ensign Engineering slots doesn't make sense since the CD of most Engineering ensign powers interfere with each other. If that's not enough, being so engineering heavy makes that ship extremely passive, even science ships have more means to become active in combat.
Having the least offensive potential of all cruisers in the game you can just hope to outheal your enemy, other ships can do that even better, if they have more Science BOFF slots. Even a T5 assault crusier can tank better since it has a slight?y higher turn rate and so has a higher chance to get an undamaged sield towards the enemy.
So in my opinion the T5 Galaxy has only drawbacks to offer, compare to all other ships in the game, and for a fan of that ship it is a real gamebreaker to fly it, because it just lack on all ends.
The Sollution:
I would like to have a C-Store service (you may call it Mirror Galaxy Class or Galaxy Class Battleship) to permanently change the appearance of the (Fleet) Assault Cruiser retfit (regent or fleet regent) into a Exploration Cruiser Retrofit (Galaxy Class).
I think 500-1000 Zen would be sufficient since in order to use that service the player also has to posess both ships which are also have be bought from the C-Store.
Once that service is bought, the player gets a special (universal) console to install on the Regent.
Once Activated (right click and "use") that console changes the ship into a Galaxy Class having just the BOFF/Console Layout of the Regent.
All availlable Galaxy Class ship parts (like monarch or Venture class for example) of the players account get unlocked too, of course.
So compared to the "real" Regent that ship has following stats different:
Crew 1000
Turn Rate 6
Inertia Rating 25
So except for Crew the changed ship has slightly worse stats.
I am sure many Galaxy Class fans would be ok with that in order to fly a "good version" of their favourite ship. If the devs think it is appropriate they also could remove the Galaxy's ability to seperate, i am also sure many fans would still be glad to have such a ship.
This Service/Console would be a complete fan service since as i have already said, the Galaxy Class is an exception because it is (unlike a T5 Constitution) Supposed to be a full T5 ship, but in game it is a real pain to fly if you are a fan of that iconic ship.
The inspiration is the parallel universe Enterprise -D from the episode Yesterday's Enterprise, which showed a much more battle ready and more badass Galaxy Class, at least not as rediculus and childish as the Galaxy -X from Q's fantasy timeline. Since such a ship would fit perfectly into STO i always felt that this ship should be in this game for a long time.
Additionally, Galaxy Class fans get the chance to have fun in STO and not just flying to most boring and lame ship in this game.
Cryptric could even sell some more Regent Class and Galaxy-R ship appearances, by just releasing one single console.
How much time does it take to crate a Mirror universe Version of a ship?
Not as much as creating a new one from scratch, i suppose.
This one also has to be bought from the C-Store AND needs to at least 2 other ships from the C-Store plus additional ship appearances. So i think this could be one of the most lucrative Mirror ship in STO.
And you know what Galaxy Class fans would buy it in order to get finally a fun to fly version of their favourite Ship in Star Trek.
Let's be honest no one really cares about canon in STO, since we got Carriers, Spacefighters and Escorts dominate this game, not to speak of almost no one using canon Starfleet uniforms. So if you consult canon or not, the Galaxy Class should be changed either way, all that it wouldn't make the galaxy Class OP, but it would make a lot of Galaxy Class fans happy.
Cryptic proved themselves with the introduction of the various mirror ships (Mirror Assault Crusier, Mirror Patrol Escort and so on), that giving a ship a different appearance won't make the game chaotic or unbalanced.
EDIT:
I want to highlight Dontdrunkimshoots enhanced exploration cruiser retrofit 3 pack.
I cannot stress enough how good this is.
So devs if you are looking for the BEST way to rework the GCS then just release Dontdrunkimshoots proposed 3 Pack!
Everything else is just a compromise!
The problem:
COMPARED to all other crusiers (even Starfleet cruisers) the Galaxy class just got the short end of the stick.
Cryptic intentionally made it the enigneering heaviest ship in the game, knowing that Engineering will have the most passive (and boring) BOFF powers of all career branches.
And if that's not enough they gave that ship 3 science and only 2 tactical console slots (?), althrough it only got a Lt. Science BOFF slot.
All other ships can either tank better or be more offensive, because having 3 (!) ensign Engineering slots doesn't make sense since the CD of most Engineering ensign powers interfere with each other. If that's not enough, being so engineering heavy makes that ship extremely passive, even science ships have more means to become active in combat.
Having the least offensive potential of all cruisers in the game you can just hope to outheal your enemy, other ships can do that even better, if they have more Science BOFF slots. Even a T5 assault crusier can tank better since it has a slight?y higher turn rate and so has a higher chance to get an undamaged sield towards the enemy.
So in my opinion the T5 Galaxy has only drawbacks to offer, compare to all other ships in the game, and for a fan of that ship it is a real gamebreaker to fly it, because it just lack on all ends.
The Sollution:
I would like to have a C-Store service (you may call it Mirror Galaxy Class or Galaxy Class Battleship) to permanently change the appearance of the (Fleet) Assault Cruiser retfit (regent or fleet regent) into a Exploration Cruiser Retrofit (Galaxy Class).
I think 500-1000 Zen would be sufficient since in order to use that service the player also has to posess both ships which are also have be bought from the C-Store.
Once that service is bought, the player gets a special (universal) console to install on the Regent.
Once Activated (right click and "use") that console changes the ship into a Galaxy Class having just the BOFF/Console Layout of the Regent.
All availlable Galaxy Class ship parts (like monarch or Venture class for example) of the players account get unlocked too, of course.
So compared to the "real" Regent that ship has following stats different:
Crew 1000
Turn Rate 6
Inertia Rating 25
So except for Crew the changed ship has slightly worse stats.
I am sure many Galaxy Class fans would be ok with that in order to fly a "good version" of their favourite ship. If the devs think it is appropriate they also could remove the Galaxy's ability to seperate, i am also sure many fans would still be glad to have such a ship.
This Service/Console would be a complete fan service since as i have already said, the Galaxy Class is an exception because it is (unlike a T5 Constitution) Supposed to be a full T5 ship, but in game it is a real pain to fly if you are a fan of that iconic ship.
The inspiration is the parallel universe Enterprise -D from the episode Yesterday's Enterprise, which showed a much more battle ready and more badass Galaxy Class, at least not as rediculus and childish as the Galaxy -X from Q's fantasy timeline. Since such a ship would fit perfectly into STO i always felt that this ship should be in this game for a long time.
Additionally, Galaxy Class fans get the chance to have fun in STO and not just flying to most boring and lame ship in this game.
Cryptric could even sell some more Regent Class and Galaxy-R ship appearances, by just releasing one single console.
How much time does it take to crate a Mirror universe Version of a ship?
Not as much as creating a new one from scratch, i suppose.
This one also has to be bought from the C-Store AND needs to at least 2 other ships from the C-Store plus additional ship appearances. So i think this could be one of the most lucrative Mirror ship in STO.
And you know what Galaxy Class fans would buy it in order to get finally a fun to fly version of their favourite Ship in Star Trek.
Let's be honest no one really cares about canon in STO, since we got Carriers, Spacefighters and Escorts dominate this game, not to speak of almost no one using canon Starfleet uniforms. So if you consult canon or not, the Galaxy Class should be changed either way, all that it wouldn't make the galaxy Class OP, but it would make a lot of Galaxy Class fans happy.
Cryptic proved themselves with the introduction of the various mirror ships (Mirror Assault Crusier, Mirror Patrol Escort and so on), that giving a ship a different appearance won't make the game chaotic or unbalanced.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
A tale of two Picards
https://youtu.be/d-f3bscZa0E?t=105(also applies to Star Trek in general)
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Ok, it wouldn't be the first Galaxy type ship sold at the C-Store, but since the other Galaxy Class ships are almost unplayable and completey underpowered compared to all other ships in STO, i think it is justifiable.
Cryptic doesn't have to remove anything, just add this as let's say another type of Exploration Cruiser, namely a Multi Mission Vessel in contrast to the Engineering Heavy Exploration Cruiser Retrofit.
This ship would actually be much closer to the "real" Galaxy Class Starship (GCS, man i love that acronym
It features a similar BOFF layout than the D'Deridex Warbird, but with a bigger emphasis on the Multi Mission nature of the GCS.
Tactical: Lt.Cmdr
Engineering: Cmdr.
Science: Lt.Cmdr
Universal (or Engineering): Lt.
Its Console Layout is the same as the D'Deridex Warbird:
Tactical: 3
Engineering: 3
Science: 3
Additionally it comes with one [large Phaser Array MK XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg]]
This weapon (only forward) fires once per cycle at a 300 degrees arc.
[Console - Universal - Antimatter spread], [Console - Universal - Saucer Seperation] and [large Phaser Array MK XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg]] are the 3 part GCS set. This set is only equipable at the Exploration Cruiser retrofit or Mirror Exploration Cruiser.
2 part set Bonus
+1 turn
+5 power to all sub systems
+30 Starship Energy Weapon Damage
+30 Starship Projectile Weapon Damage
3 part Set Bonus
Clickable power, 3 min cooldown.
It fires a combined high yield Photon torpedo spread at 3 targets and fires a phaser lotus like attack with the large beam array. This 3 part set bonus is deactivated once the ship is in seperation mode.
Price: 3000 ZEN
I think the GCS in STO should have been much more like this ship from the beginning.
Since Cryptic gave much older ships or ships from the same era (D'Deridex, Galor, D'Kora) a much better BOFF/Console Layout then the Exploration Cruiser Retrofit, i see no problem in introducing a alternative GCS in STO.
i do agree with everything you said, but a slight difference with the boffs
I actually was hoping that other people would contribute some serious thoughts, since (i hope) we all want to get a better GCS in Star Trek Online.
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
Since the STO universe Exploration Crusier is the least versatile ship, i think naming a much more Versatile ship "mirror" version is appropriate.
On the other hand we have seen Mirror versions of tactical focussed ships becoming science focused ones, like the Mirror Universe Reconnaissance Science Vessel. So being a mirror univers ship doesn't neccesarily mean more warfare-like.
So in order to prevent it getting Lost in the Main Galaxy Class thread, i post it here just to play safe. I hope dontdrunk is ok with it.
I don't want to get one, but I want to support the folk that do :P
The day will not save them. And we own the night.
The T5 version could have a BOFF layout like this:
Tac: Lt. Cmdr
Engineering: Cmdr. and Lt.
Science: Lt. and Ensign
Consoles: 3, 4, 3
Everything else: exactly like the Galaxy -R. (turn rate, Crew, etc.)
The advantage of this would be that Cryptic wouldn't have to make it a Mirror ship at all, they could release it just as T5 version of the Venture. Additonally, would L O V E
Price: 2500 ZEN or 1000 ZEN if the player already owns the T4 Venture.
As a Bonus the T5 Venture comes with one [large Phaser Array MK XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg]]
This weapon (only forward) fires once per cycle at a 300 degrees arc.
[Console - Universal - Antimatter spread], [Console - Universal - Saucer Seperation] and [large Phaser Array MK XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg]] are the 3 part GCS set. This set is only equipable at the Exploration Cruiser retrofit or Mirror Exploration Cruiser.
2 part set Bonus
+1 turn
+5 power to all sub systems
+30 Starship Energy Weapon Damage
+30 Starship Projectile Weapon Damage
3 part Set Bonus
Clickable power, 3 min cooldown.
It fires a combined high yield Photon torpedo spread at 3 targets and fires a phaser lotus like attack with the large beam array. This 3 part set bonus is deactivated once the ship is in seperation mode.
As you can see the Special item and the Set bonuses are the same as the Multi Mission Galaxy Cruiser has, as posted above.
To get the whole Set, the player had to buy the Galaxy -R too. So Cryptic could make money with a ship they have released for a long time.
I equipped mine with (now) retro Borg gear and [Borg] proc polorons and tricobalt torpedos. This was on a TAC VA, not an eng, and it was great for STFs. Of course, I had my Red Matter Capacitor and Peregrines (before they required hangars).
Well, those days are over. Any ship without a hangar is basically useless. Yeah, my crafted Delta Flyer and Mirror ship collection are fun to show off -- complete with the now irrelevant Borg cosmetic set. BUT none of them are worth using anymore.
Hell, even my Chimera has limited utility compared to C-Store and fleet ships.
Bottom line: The Galaxy Retrofit is a VANITY SHIP. It's outdated and will NEVER be altered. If you want an awesome ship, you either have to buy it, or grind your life away building a max level fleet. PWE doesn't care what we want, thus the old endgame ships will never be updated.
Good luck, and GET OVER IT.
It's beyond RARE for PWE to give us what we want. There may be a few ultra rare examples, but I don't see the point in discussing how to create a ship (Mirror or Standard) knowing full well IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. It's a waste of energy and a waste of typing. PWE WILL NEVER LISTEN to your suggestions. Also, since it's established that the old ships are a waste of money/DIL, it's pointless to think this will change.
Don't get me wrong--I agree with some of the ideas here. The problem I have is the assumption (or hope) that PWE is listening.
They aren't and never will. The energy spent creating this thread could be spent better.
So then let's just stop posting anything, because Cryptic won't change anything, even if the playerbase wants it?
I don't think so, ther have been several ocasions when cryptic was actually changing things because they didn't work.
The same thing with the GCS -R.
I'm NOT suggesting they should change the existing ship, but to introduce an ALTERNATIVE ship, similar to the several mirror ships we already have in the game. Sure, Cryptic does not listen to anything relating the Galaxy class, but this doesn't stop me from trying to reach them. They surely won't change anything if no one asks for it.
I mean a improved GCS is nothing Game breaking. No one wants to get a over powered ship. Just one that is useable, fun to fly and at least a bit like the original. Just look at the T5 Ambassador or Excelsior Class, Cryptic made them much more useable and versatile ships than the Galaxy -R.
But the thing cryptic has made has almost nothing to do with a GCS at all.
I can understand if some dev is a fan of the Excelsior so they made the ship so much better, but igonring a much more iconic and popular ship just doesn't make any sense.
The GCS is the ship most fans i know of have grown up with, for many it is the essence of Star Trek. Aside from a in-universe point of view, why shouldn't it's fans get at least a ship that isn't a pain to fly?
Whats the problem with having similar BOFF layouts?
It just enhances the options of possible flyable ships, nothing else.
No one's talking about the -X, this is about the GCS.
Releasing dontdrunkimshoots enhanced exploration cruiser retrofit 3 pack would "punish" other ship classes?
How do you come to that conclusion?
So Cryptic will never, ever release a 3 Pack of either Science, Cruiser or Escort ships according to your logic, because we already have the vesta, Odyssey or Andorian Escort. :rolleyes:
Cryptic will continue to sell whatever fits to Star Trek in their eyes. The Galaxy Class is the most significant ship in Star Trek for some people, much more than the Vesta ever was. And still we have got this (very good made) 3 pack vesta.
Don't get me wrong i have nothing against the Vesta, i own it myself, but the Galaxy Class deserves much more such love by the devs.
Relasing dontdrunkimshoots enhanced exploration cruiser retrofit 3 pack would only be a alternative to other Crusiers and a fan service. It would in no way make any other ship useless, it would just add the GCS as it should have been.
Btw, the Gal-X compared to other Dreadnoughts in STO is very underpowered IMO. A hit and run ship is NOT what a Dreadnought is supposed to be. A dreadnoughts purpose is to enter a Battle, stay and fight anything down.
anyways, i just got that nebula class ship for free.. and i just love it to death.
and i am kinda sad that its boff layout is just so much more correct for what it is, then what the galaxy has.
as we all know, the galaxy is a versitile ship. so we want a versitile boff layout.
so here is what i would like to see the galaxy have for its boff layout. and correct me if i am wrong, but i beleive no other ship has this layout yet.
Tactical: Lt.Cmdr
Engineering: Cmdr.
Science: Lt.
Universal: Ensign and Lt.
alternatively i could see this
Tactical: Lt.
Engineering: Cmdr.
Science: Lt.Cmdr
Universal: Ensign and Lt.
and of course this
Tactical: 3
Engineering: 3
Science: 3
console layout
personally i would like to see a "weapon, weapon, console" set for it
the console being the saucer sep, that large beam array idea already said in this thread, and a photon torpedo version of that omega torpedo launcher would be interesting imo
Commander
Lt. Commander
Lieutenant
Lieutenant
Ensign
As long as we are looking at the Galaxy line
Galaxy X should be....
Commander
Lt. Commander
Lt. Commander
Lieutenant
the only problem with that, it is is the exact same Boff layout as the Odyssey.
it is perfect for the galaxy.. but if you could choose the look of the galaxy over the odyssey for that boff layout...
I like your proposed BOFF layouts, both the tactical or the science version would be nice to have.
Personally i wouldn't mind if it would get the BOFF layout of a already existing ship, as long as it makes sense for the GCS.
Heck i would be already happy if it would just get the BOFF/console Layout of the Ambassador, as long as she finally gets something useful.
And yeah, a special console set would be very cool.
Changing already released ships isn't a very good idea IMHO.
Some people will rage, that's for sure. Even if they don't use the GCS at all.:D
Just look at the Moonbosh ship and how some ppl rage about the "removed" cloak, that shouldn't be part of that ship in the first place. Now imagine a ship being in the Game for almost 3 years now being changed...
But i could imagine a GCS with your suggested BOFF layout being released as part of a special Hero ship Lockbox among a reworked Intrepid and Defiant. (Althrough the Defiant doesn't really needs a rework like the GCS does IMO)
I like your idea about the uni Lt.Cmdr. and Ensign, it's unique and i think it would fit well to a GCS.
So the fans (we
The replacement could be charged for another 250 Zen, similar to a character trait respec.
This mechanic would only work for older ships like the GCS, Intrepid, Defiant, Ambassador and so on.
For a Cruiser there could be a range of availlabe basic Bridge modules, like Assault Cruiser, Star Cruiser or GCS.
For a small fee the player would be able to replace the existing BOFF layout with one of the above.
(the same applies to other ship types too, of course)
Later, Cryptic could release different BOFF layouts, like lockbox ship layouts for example.
The price for such a bridge module could be around 1000 Zen.
Another way to unlock different BOFF layouts would be the reputation system (OMEGA; M.A.C.O.) which would open up some interesting combinations.
The same thing could also work for Console Layouts of course.
So people wouldn't be forced to fly a differnt ship just to get the chance to have a certain BOFF layout.
I think Cryptic would make a awesome load of cash with such a system.
Replace the Ensign Tac on the Defiant with something useful. Three tac teams are too much, and the other Ensign abilities are too unhelpful to do anything.
Dreadnought class. Two times the size, three times the speed. Advanced weaponry. Modified for a minimal crew. Unlike most Federation vessels, it's built solely for combat.
The same should be done with the T5 Star Cruiser and Assault Cruiser, as well as with their KDF counterparts. (Negh'Var Heavy Battle Cruiser, Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Retrofit for example)
The Console Layout should be made a more balanced, like 3, 3, 3 similar to the Ambassador Class which is a very good balanced ship IMO.