I don't consider the Klingons the bad guys. I think the federation is the bad guys. I am a trek fan big time. The Klingon story evolved over the years so we are not just the Russians (bad guys) anymore. we are a just of a different mind set , that values things other than the federations lying, sneaky, dbl dealing, back stabbing, pretend to be your friend then send assassin after you cut throats.
Care to support the highlighted part with an actual & real example?
why do the Klingon aid the deferi? a debt of honor
why do the feds aid them? it in their best interest's no other reason.
Um...because Deferi asked for Federation help to begin with? You make it sound as thought the KDF is running the biggest charity in space in an absolute altruistic manner.
why did the Klingons agree to let Romulans join them? again Honor related after the sacrifice of life to save a Klingon.
As if the Fed haven't saved multiple Klingons countless times, like during Klingon Civil war for example? Really, you want us to believe because the Romulan Republic saved one single Klingon that all the atrocities committed by Romulans against Klingons are instantly forgotten? Get real, D'Tan rightfully pointed out both factions are courting him because of Romulan technology as the primary basis. The Federation has its own calculations to be sure, though that's mainly based on the ancestral link between the Vulcans - a member of the Federation and the Romulans. The Romulans are technically homeless and given the Unificationist movement, it is impossible for the Federation not to come to the aid of the Romulans. In contrast, the Klingons have little to no reason to be involved with the Romulans, especially given the recent history where no Klingon in his sound mind would trust Romulans however evolved the latter have become. The Federation is taking a gamble to aid the Romulans but it's a risk that is measured given the historical ties of a major member world. Absent of that, it would be too much of a risk to take since D'Tan may in fact have his own plans as many have suspected and the trust isn't entirely there yet.
why did the feds want and actively sought them out to join? for their own interests.
Typical propaganda of the bad guys - by overly simplifying a complicate situation into a few sound bites. No one is truly altruistic in this though it's clear who has less reasons to aid the Romulans between the two.
why did the Klingons beak off the peace treaty with the feds? because the feds would not aid an ally in battle. so the Klingons had to do it themselves.
Um...why should the Federation aid the Klingons in invading the Gorn? Was the Q-Planet in danger of being run over by the Gorns? The KDF which claims to be "honorable" grossly invaded an independent and sovereign entity, committing atrocities against another sentient species. What do you expect the Fed Council to say? "Bravo, you are doing great"? :rolleyes:
Invading the Gorns was wrong and unjustified. No amount of spinning can turn into an "honorable act".
Um...why should the Federation aid the Klingons in invading the Gorn? Was the Q-Planet in danger of being run over by the Gorns? The KDF which claims to be "honorable" grossly invaded an independent and sovereign entity, committing atrocities against another sentient species. What do you expect the Fed Council to say? "Bravo, you are doing great"? :rolleyes:
Invading the Gorns was wrong and unjustified. No amount of spinning can turn into an "honorable act".
All is good, every side has their own view of things as it is in the real world.
However, if you're going to hold lectures about the Klingon/Gorn war in the Klingon section of the forum, you might want to brush up on your facts first, so you don't sound ridiculous.
Here, let me give you a hand: The path to 2409.
All is good, every side has their own view of things as it is in the real world.
However, if you're going to hold lectures about the Klingon/Gorn war in the Klingon section of the forum, you might want to brush up on your facts first, so you don't sound ridiculous.
Here, let me give you a hand: The path to 2409.
Indeed, did you know I am history buff? Gotta love somebody who likes to challenge me on history :
The Klingon Empire took advantage of the weak position of the Romulans to stage lightning strikes into Romulan space, retaking Khitomer and the sector surrounding it. (Vol. 3 Ch. 3)
and more :
These are the words of Mojog, General of the Klingon Empire:
"It took months to convince Martok that the time was right to strike. He was concerned about the Federation, and whether this attack would challenge the alliance.
"It was none of their concern! We are Klingons! War is our birthright! The Romulans are out enemies! (Vol. 3 Ch. 4)
Opps..., it looks like shpoks is severely history challenged or outright illiterate :
The Gorn Hegemony mourned the death of King Xrathis in 2386. His son, Crown Prince Slathis, ascended to the throne and took responsibility for dealing with the Hegemony's many troubles. One of his first acts was to re-enforce their border with the Klingons. With more ships in the region, several skirmishes were reported.
The Klingons responded to the buildup by the Gorn by sending more ships of their own to the border. The standoff escalated into open conflict on Stardate 63504.74, when a Klingon fleet bombarded the Gorn colony on Gila VI. Klingon troops landed on the planet two days later, and after a bloody battle with Gorn defenders they succeeded in taking the planet.
Federation diplomats worked with both sides trying to work out a peaceful solution, but some analysts predicted that a full war would erupt within four years. Federation Ambassador Worf made a personal appeal to his friend Chancellor Martok to end the hostilities, but privately Worf admitted that he was not sure if peace was possible. (Vol 7. Ch.5)
Fact : While the Gorn mourned their King, the "honorable" Klingons saw an opportunity and used the border skirmishes to escalate into a full scale invasion. The act was so unjust that even Worf couldn't support the Klingon actions.
After the destruction of the Romulan homeworld, Starfleet immediately ordered all available ships to cross the Neutral Zone and assist the Romulans with relief and recovery efforts. Several of these ships were attacked by a man named Nero, who was captaining a heavily modified Romulan vessel. Starfleet diverted additional cruisers to escort relief vessels to Romulan space.
Intercepted Romulan transmissions indicated that Praetor Chulan and the leaders of the Senate escaped Romulus before the planet's destruction. But the U.S.S. Nobel, en route to Romulus, found the bodies of Chulan and the Senate's ruling council floating in space near their derelict shuttle. (Vol. 8 Ch. 8)
Fact: When Romulus was destroyed, only Starfleet immediately provided all assistance they can scramble while the "honorable" Klingons sit out as though it's not their problem.
And there's more!
Most of the Federations' allies agreed to send ships and supplies to supplement the Romulan relief effort. Even the Cardassians, who were still struggling to rebuild their homeworld, agreed to a token contribution. But the Federation's appeal to the Klingon Empire to join the relief convoys was harshly rejected.
"The Klingons will offer no treaty, no aid, and no hand that is not holding a blade," Chancellor Martok responded. (Vol 9. Ch.2)
Comment : So much for the "honorable" Klingons, eh? It makes you wonder why would any sound Romulans would align themselves with the Klingons?
Hardliners on the Klingon High Council, led by Councilor J'mpok, demanded that both the Romulans and the Federation be made to pay for the destruction of the fleet led into Romulan space by Worf. Some argued that because Martok handed command of the fleet to his friend Worf, a Federation ambassador, rather than a general of the Klingon Defense Force, that the entire affair may have been a trick to weaken the Empire.
These hardliners argued that even if it was not a plot, the fact remained that hundreds of warriors died under the command of a Federation official. In some Klingon minds, that made the Federation responsible for their deaths. (Vol. 9 Ch. 3)
Comment : Paranoia appears to be the way of life for many of the said "honorable warriors"
The Klingon Empire took advantage of the confusion with lightning strikes into Romulan space. The empire took control of the Tranome Sar and Nequencia systems in a matter of days, and was poised to strike deeper into Romulan territory.
The Klingons temporarily halted their advance when Starfleet sent a fleet to protect the Romulan/Klingon border, but tensions remained high and there were reports of minor skirmishes between Federation and Klingon starships. (Vol. 10 Ch. 2)
Comment : Nothing more needs to be said, the Klingons are no friends to Romulans, even after such major tragedies. The so called "honor" is nothing but a fake slogan. In reality, it's a bunch of opportunistic, heartless scums who like to think they live by somekind of honor code when none exists.
After the Klingon Empire invaded Gorn space, J'mpok sent a message to President Aennik Okeg, asking for Federation assistance as spelled out in the Khitomer Accords. In response, the Federation Council condemned the invasion and demanded that the Klingons withdraw from Gorn space and return to the negotiating table.
"This is not the first time that the Klingons have acted rashly," said Councilor Astoni-Yhard of Grazer. "For all we know, they're chasing shadows. What reason would these 'Undine' have for being here now?"
The Klingon response was swift. In a tersely worded message, J'mpok pulled the Klingon Empire out of the Khitomer Accords and recalled all Klingon ambassadors back to Qo'noS.
"Chancellor J'mpok's decision is regrettable," Okeg said. "However, it is his to make. We will continue to do all we can to repair our relationship wiht our longtime friends in the Klingon Empire." (Vol. 20 Ch. 5)
Comment : Under no event is the Klingon Homeworld under threat from the Gorn, in fact, Gorn knew they could at best hold the Klingons to border skirmishes. Yet, Klingons chose to escalate into a full scale invasion.
On Stardate 80344.81, the web of transport inhibitors protecting the Gorn homeworld collapsed after the Klingon fleet blockading the planet used surgical strikes to take out the planet's power relay network. Less than 50 minutes after the network was destroyed, the first Klingon landing parties transported onto the planet's surface.
The remaining Gorn forces planetside made a last stand to defend key areas, and large segments of the population took up arms to defend their homes and families. However, the Klingons showed little interest in engaging civilian militias and instead massed their forces for an assault on the capital.
Twenty-eight hours after the first Klingon landed on the Gorn homeworld, forces from the Fifth Fleet entered the royal palace and the Gorn Hegemony fell to the Klingon Empire. (Vol. 24 Ch. 1)
Comment : Even if the Udine threat were real, it is clear it is the Klingons who started the scuffle with the Gorns when the Gorn King died and then used the opportunity to start a total conquest of the Gorn. It is believable that there are Udine infiltrators in many factions; however, it is likely that Udine wants to plant seeds of unrest between the major powers of Alpha Quadrant. Hence, if the Klingons are claiming this war with Gorn is a fight against the Udine threat - then it stands to reason that the Klingons should have refrained from further military conflicts and returned to negotiations table as further conflicts would fall directly into the traps that the Udines set. Therefore, the logical conclusion is the Udine threat is probably real however, grossly exaggerated and misused as a pretext to a war of conquest.
Conclusion : Thorough review of the Klingon actions showed extreme hostilities towards Romulan refugees and premeditated invasion of the Gorn space without cause. Perhaps shpoks would care to review these documents before making a fool of himself? Wait, maybe reading & analyzing is beyond his capability of comprehension. :rolleyes:
I think what you're having trouble with is that you're confusing the Federation concept of honor with the Klingon concept of honor. The Federation (Western European Secular Humanist) code of honor is about justice, mercy and fairness. However, Klingon culture lauds none of these values. What is honorable to a Klingon is quite different. Klingon culture values strength, cunning and above all, victory in battle. Mercy is a commodity of no value to a Klingon, in either giving or receipt. Justice, in the eyes of a Klingon, is taken, not given, and fairness is a luxury retained only by the strong. It's a rather clear-eyed and pragmatic value-set, less concerned with the unattainable ideals of the world as it 'should be', and more with embracing the brutal realities of power, and how it is exercised over others.
PS: In the real world, an empire driven by the Klingon ethic cannot function. It's simply not possible to run a star-spanning technology driven Empire when literally everyone needs to be watching their back for a knife between the shoulder-blades from their ambitious neighbor. To prove this you need look no further than the repeated prisoner's dilemma, which has consistently shown that cooperation services a group's needs far more than ruthless competition. And our history bears it out. But Star Trek is a fantasy universe, where reason and causality can be politely told to get lost.
Care to support the highlighted part with an actual & real example? Lets see, the Federation used Odo to spread a deadly disease to an entire race without his knowledge, they assasinated a Romulan Senator and planted false evidence to drag the Romulans into war, framed another Romulan senator, refused requests to share red matter that could have contained the hobus supernova had they used it in time.
Um...because Deferi asked for Federation help to begin with? You make it sound as thought the KDF is running the biggest charity in space in an absolute altruistic manner. I doubt the Federation would be so interested in Defera if it wasn't for preserver technology involved
As if the Fed haven't saved multiple Klingons countless times, like during Klingon Civil war for example? Really, you want us to believe because the Romulan Republic saved one single Klingon that all the atrocities committed by Romulans against Klingons are instantly forgotten? Get real, D'Tan rightfully pointed out both factions are courting him because of Romulan technology as the primary basis. The Federation has its own calculations to be sure, though that's mainly based on the ancestral link between the Vulcans - a member of the Federation and the Romulans. The Romulans are technically homeless and given the Unificationist movement, it is impossible for the Federation not to come to the aid of the Romulans. In contrast, the Klingons have little to no reason to be involved with the Romulans, especially given the recent history where no Klingon in his sound mind would trust Romulans however evolved the latter have become. The Federation is taking a gamble to aid the Romulans but it's a risk that is measured given the historical ties of a major member world. Absent of that, it would be too much of a risk to take since D'Tan may in fact have his own plans as many have suspected and the trust isn't entirely there yet.
The federation just felt Gowron would be more likely to maintain the alliance then Duras would have so thats the only reason they interfered, if it wasn't for that they would just use the prime directive lame excuse as usual.
Typical propaganda of the bad guys - by overly simplifying a complicate situation into a few sound bites. No one is truly altruistic in this though it's clear who has less reasons to aid the Romulans between the two.
Um...why should the Federation aid the Klingons in invading the Gorn? Was the Q-Planet in danger of being run over by the Gorns? The KDF which claims to be "honorable" grossly invaded an independent and sovereign entity, committing atrocities against another sentient species. What do you expect the Fed Council to say? "Bravo, you are doing great"? :rolleyes:
Invading the Gorns was wrong and unjustified. No amount of spinning can turn into an "honorable act". stopping the undine takeover of the alpha quadrant is Honorable and justified, and the Gorn that submitted are better off now by jorning forces with the Klingons.
Ever since TOS the Klingons have always been the good guys and the victims of Federation plots and machinations starting with Kirk's scheme to destroy the empire through infesting it with tribbles. It continues in STO where the Fed playerbase constantly tries to destroy the KDF through their demands and complaints to try to take everything unique from the KDF and to make sure the KDF gets no attention and Feds get everything.
Its time the good guys stand up for themselves and fight back, KDF players should support this, I have decided to do more then just raising my contraband prices, I am delisting them and hoarding them on all my characters now and encourage other KDF to do the same, and will be monitoring prices to know anytime is posted below average so I can hoard that to.
lol There is something immensely humorous when someone that doesn't know how to read calls you illiterate. I can't even take it as an insult, because it's such an epic fail even at that.
I pointed out the need to reevaluate your posts on the Gorn/KDF war based on lore references, but you go on rambling about the Romulans and Klingon honor. Reading comprehension anyone, hum?
And wow, you also put a lot of effort of copying references and re-posting them here, conveniently taken out of the full context ofcourse, just like a child losing an argument does. I get it, you think we here in the KDF forum section are stupid and don't know what we're talking about, but that is just one more fail on your long list of fails.
I thought, since you obviously wanted to take the role of the professor and hold lectures here, that you might be interested in actually knowing what you're talking about. But it seems that you're just here to troll just like most of your posts on the forum, so I only wonder why don't you go to WoW, where you have your own faction and all. :P
Anyway I'm done with you just like I have been done with everyone else that tried to pull me into a trolling debate. That doesn't work on me.
But if you want to be the clown and make people laugh at your posts, be my guest! I should have known better than to attempt an intelligent discussion with you.
You make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS a month selling conrtaband?
Bullship.
You must not have played much KDF, then. These figures are entirely plausible and normal. A light regimen of a stack of catfood a day, sold around an average price of 14M/stack = 420M/mo.
So yes, "hundreds of millions a month" is perfectly accurate.
Then you're not playing the AH for it, because it's exceedingly rare to find Contraband listed below 50k each. So you might gross millions a month, but you're certainly not netting that much. Unless you're actually farming 250 a day, in which case, do tell us your methods.
Rule 177: Know your enemies...but do business with them always.
Rule 109: Dignity and an empty sack...is worth the sack.
Rule 50: Never bluff a Klingon.
Meh, and here I came into this thread expecting something along the lines or curbing 40 alt chars dilithium farming via contraband.
Oh well, so it's just another Fed vs. Kling thing it seems.
Personally I think it's a great incentive to play KDF side.
But it's ridiculous to see farming alts.
Imho exchange contraband should be avalable at level 30 or even later. That's the only thing about contraband that bothers me. I play both Fed and KDF side, so I couldn't care less about petty competition or hurt feelings.
You must not have played much KDF, then. These figures are entirely plausible and normal. A light regimen of a stack of catfood a day, sold around an average price of 14M/stack = 420M/mo.
So yes, "hundreds of millions a month" is perfectly accurate.
Doubtful.
If you farm 2000 contraband in a month (roughly 66-68) a day, you can reach 100 million EC (assuming each CB goes for 50k EC a pop)
SO -
- If you have a bunch of klink alts AND:
- never turn in your contraband AND:
- Do NOTHING but missions that offer Contraband or a chance at contraband, then yes, then and only then could you make 100 mil EC in a month,, roughly.
As I sit in my command seat aboard my ship and look out my brethren farming Nvak, I think to myself, self, forget about the only two accolades you have left on the pvp area and help your brethren farm... I do not go kill them. If I feel like fighting on the cool down I post a message, "anyone want to spar?", if not then I sit idle and wait. It does not seem I am bad. If in a pvp match and the feds only have 1 or 2 remaining because their teammates left the match after they were killed a couple of times.... I say I am sitting out, and I sit out until I am shot or attacked in some way. Does this make me bad? I think not. KDF could be the moral majority when it comes to fighting with honor. Now as far as being the best at pvp, I am not, but as a whole I believe KDF is. That is not to say that I have not seen some awesome teams, premade and not, on the Fed side. But lets face it the real reason a lot of us are KDF is because when the game started there were so few KDF that the pvp cue was over an hour wait. We turned that around and with very little story line we were forced to pvp to level our toons. Most of us fell in love with the anarchy despite lower volume of choices in our ships, weapons and other items of fancy. We are the KDF now because we choose to be, we fight with honor and die with dignity. After all when you are the best you should set the standard for good behavior.
When I first read the title... I thought to myself. Is this... Civilization V? Are we at galactic congress now deciding to embargo people?
On a more related to topic note..
How do you guys get that much contraband even with the slaver nerf? o.o
Comments
Care to support the highlighted part with an actual & real example?
As if the Fed haven't saved multiple Klingons countless times, like during Klingon Civil war for example? Really, you want us to believe because the Romulan Republic saved one single Klingon that all the atrocities committed by Romulans against Klingons are instantly forgotten? Get real, D'Tan rightfully pointed out both factions are courting him because of Romulan technology as the primary basis. The Federation has its own calculations to be sure, though that's mainly based on the ancestral link between the Vulcans - a member of the Federation and the Romulans. The Romulans are technically homeless and given the Unificationist movement, it is impossible for the Federation not to come to the aid of the Romulans. In contrast, the Klingons have little to no reason to be involved with the Romulans, especially given the recent history where no Klingon in his sound mind would trust Romulans however evolved the latter have become. The Federation is taking a gamble to aid the Romulans but it's a risk that is measured given the historical ties of a major member world. Absent of that, it would be too much of a risk to take since D'Tan may in fact have his own plans as many have suspected and the trust isn't entirely there yet.
Typical propaganda of the bad guys - by overly simplifying a complicate situation into a few sound bites. No one is truly altruistic in this though it's clear who has less reasons to aid the Romulans between the two.
Um...why should the Federation aid the Klingons in invading the Gorn?
Invading the Gorns was wrong and unjustified. No amount of spinning can turn into an "honorable act".
All is good, every side has their own view of things as it is in the real world.
However, if you're going to hold lectures about the Klingon/Gorn war in the Klingon section of the forum, you might want to brush up on your facts first, so you don't sound ridiculous.
Here, let me give you a hand: The path to 2409.
Indeed, did you know I am history buff? Gotta love somebody who likes to challenge me on history :
The Klingon Empire took advantage of the weak position of the Romulans to stage lightning strikes into Romulan space, retaking Khitomer and the sector surrounding it. (Vol. 3 Ch. 3)
and more :
These are the words of Mojog, General of the Klingon Empire:
"It took months to convince Martok that the time was right to strike. He was concerned about the Federation, and whether this attack would challenge the alliance.
"It was none of their concern! We are Klingons! War is our birthright! The Romulans are out enemies! (Vol. 3 Ch. 4)
Opps..., it looks like shpoks is severely history challenged or outright illiterate :
The Gorn Hegemony mourned the death of King Xrathis in 2386. His son, Crown Prince Slathis, ascended to the throne and took responsibility for dealing with the Hegemony's many troubles. One of his first acts was to re-enforce their border with the Klingons. With more ships in the region, several skirmishes were reported.
The Klingons responded to the buildup by the Gorn by sending more ships of their own to the border. The standoff escalated into open conflict on Stardate 63504.74, when a Klingon fleet bombarded the Gorn colony on Gila VI. Klingon troops landed on the planet two days later, and after a bloody battle with Gorn defenders they succeeded in taking the planet.
Federation diplomats worked with both sides trying to work out a peaceful solution, but some analysts predicted that a full war would erupt within four years. Federation Ambassador Worf made a personal appeal to his friend Chancellor Martok to end the hostilities, but privately Worf admitted that he was not sure if peace was possible. (Vol 7. Ch.5)
Fact : While the Gorn mourned their King, the "honorable" Klingons saw an opportunity and used the border skirmishes to escalate into a full scale invasion. The act was so unjust that even Worf couldn't support the Klingon actions.
After the destruction of the Romulan homeworld, Starfleet immediately ordered all available ships to cross the Neutral Zone and assist the Romulans with relief and recovery efforts. Several of these ships were attacked by a man named Nero, who was captaining a heavily modified Romulan vessel. Starfleet diverted additional cruisers to escort relief vessels to Romulan space.
Intercepted Romulan transmissions indicated that Praetor Chulan and the leaders of the Senate escaped Romulus before the planet's destruction. But the U.S.S. Nobel, en route to Romulus, found the bodies of Chulan and the Senate's ruling council floating in space near their derelict shuttle. (Vol. 8 Ch. 8)
Fact: When Romulus was destroyed, only Starfleet immediately provided all assistance they can scramble while the "honorable" Klingons sit out as though it's not their problem.
And there's more!
Most of the Federations' allies agreed to send ships and supplies to supplement the Romulan relief effort. Even the Cardassians, who were still struggling to rebuild their homeworld, agreed to a token contribution. But the Federation's appeal to the Klingon Empire to join the relief convoys was harshly rejected.
"The Klingons will offer no treaty, no aid, and no hand that is not holding a blade," Chancellor Martok responded. (Vol 9. Ch.2)
Comment : So much for the "honorable" Klingons, eh? It makes you wonder why would any sound Romulans would align themselves with the Klingons?
Hardliners on the Klingon High Council, led by Councilor J'mpok, demanded that both the Romulans and the Federation be made to pay for the destruction of the fleet led into Romulan space by Worf. Some argued that because Martok handed command of the fleet to his friend Worf, a Federation ambassador, rather than a general of the Klingon Defense Force, that the entire affair may have been a trick to weaken the Empire.
These hardliners argued that even if it was not a plot, the fact remained that hundreds of warriors died under the command of a Federation official. In some Klingon minds, that made the Federation responsible for their deaths. (Vol. 9 Ch. 3)
Comment : Paranoia appears to be the way of life for many of the said "honorable warriors"
The Klingon Empire took advantage of the confusion with lightning strikes into Romulan space. The empire took control of the Tranome Sar and Nequencia systems in a matter of days, and was poised to strike deeper into Romulan territory.
The Klingons temporarily halted their advance when Starfleet sent a fleet to protect the Romulan/Klingon border, but tensions remained high and there were reports of minor skirmishes between Federation and Klingon starships. (Vol. 10 Ch. 2)
Comment : Nothing more needs to be said, the Klingons are no friends to Romulans, even after such major tragedies. The so called "honor" is nothing but a fake slogan. In reality, it's a bunch of opportunistic, heartless scums who like to think they live by somekind of honor code when none exists.
After the Klingon Empire invaded Gorn space, J'mpok sent a message to President Aennik Okeg, asking for Federation assistance as spelled out in the Khitomer Accords. In response, the Federation Council condemned the invasion and demanded that the Klingons withdraw from Gorn space and return to the negotiating table.
"This is not the first time that the Klingons have acted rashly," said Councilor Astoni-Yhard of Grazer. "For all we know, they're chasing shadows. What reason would these 'Undine' have for being here now?"
The Klingon response was swift. In a tersely worded message, J'mpok pulled the Klingon Empire out of the Khitomer Accords and recalled all Klingon ambassadors back to Qo'noS.
"Chancellor J'mpok's decision is regrettable," Okeg said. "However, it is his to make. We will continue to do all we can to repair our relationship wiht our longtime friends in the Klingon Empire." (Vol. 20 Ch. 5)
Comment : Under no event is the Klingon Homeworld under threat from the Gorn, in fact, Gorn knew they could at best hold the Klingons to border skirmishes. Yet, Klingons chose to escalate into a full scale invasion.
On Stardate 80344.81, the web of transport inhibitors protecting the Gorn homeworld collapsed after the Klingon fleet blockading the planet used surgical strikes to take out the planet's power relay network. Less than 50 minutes after the network was destroyed, the first Klingon landing parties transported onto the planet's surface.
The remaining Gorn forces planetside made a last stand to defend key areas, and large segments of the population took up arms to defend their homes and families. However, the Klingons showed little interest in engaging civilian militias and instead massed their forces for an assault on the capital.
Twenty-eight hours after the first Klingon landed on the Gorn homeworld, forces from the Fifth Fleet entered the royal palace and the Gorn Hegemony fell to the Klingon Empire. (Vol. 24 Ch. 1)
Comment : Even if the Udine threat were real, it is clear it is the Klingons who started the scuffle with the Gorns when the Gorn King died and then used the opportunity to start a total conquest of the Gorn. It is believable that there are Udine infiltrators in many factions; however, it is likely that Udine wants to plant seeds of unrest between the major powers of Alpha Quadrant. Hence, if the Klingons are claiming this war with Gorn is a fight against the Udine threat - then it stands to reason that the Klingons should have refrained from further military conflicts and returned to negotiations table as further conflicts would fall directly into the traps that the Udines set. Therefore, the logical conclusion is the Udine threat is probably real however, grossly exaggerated and misused as a pretext to a war of conquest.
Conclusion : Thorough review of the Klingon actions showed extreme hostilities towards Romulan refugees and premeditated invasion of the Gorn space without cause. Perhaps shpoks would care to review these documents before making a fool of himself? Wait, maybe reading & analyzing is beyond his capability of comprehension. :rolleyes:
PS: In the real world, an empire driven by the Klingon ethic cannot function. It's simply not possible to run a star-spanning technology driven Empire when literally everyone needs to be watching their back for a knife between the shoulder-blades from their ambitious neighbor. To prove this you need look no further than the repeated prisoner's dilemma, which has consistently shown that cooperation services a group's needs far more than ruthless competition. And our history bears it out. But Star Trek is a fantasy universe, where reason and causality can be politely told to get lost.
Ever since TOS the Klingons have always been the good guys and the victims of Federation plots and machinations starting with Kirk's scheme to destroy the empire through infesting it with tribbles. It continues in STO where the Fed playerbase constantly tries to destroy the KDF through their demands and complaints to try to take everything unique from the KDF and to make sure the KDF gets no attention and Feds get everything.
Its time the good guys stand up for themselves and fight back, KDF players should support this, I have decided to do more then just raising my contraband prices, I am delisting them and hoarding them on all my characters now and encourage other KDF to do the same, and will be monitoring prices to know anytime is posted below average so I can hoard that to.
lol
I pointed out the need to reevaluate your posts on the Gorn/KDF war based on lore references, but you go on rambling about the Romulans and Klingon honor. Reading comprehension anyone, hum?
And wow, you also put a lot of effort of copying references and re-posting them here, conveniently taken out of the full context ofcourse, just like a child losing an argument does. I get it, you think we here in the KDF forum section are stupid and don't know what we're talking about, but that is just one more fail on your long list of fails.
I thought, since you obviously wanted to take the role of the professor and hold lectures here, that you might be interested in actually knowing what you're talking about. But it seems that you're just here to troll just like most of your posts on the forum, so I only wonder why don't you go to WoW, where you have your own faction and all. :P
Anyway I'm done with you just like I have been done with everyone else that tried to pull me into a trolling debate. That doesn't work on me.
But if you want to be the clown and make people laugh at your posts, be my guest! I should have known better than to attempt an intelligent discussion with you.
You make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS a month selling conrtaband?
Bullship.
Unless you do NOTHING ALL DAY except farm on multiple alts a la some sort of Korean Loot Farm...
So yes, "hundreds of millions a month" is perfectly accurate.
Rule 109: Dignity and an empty sack...is worth the sack.
Rule 50: Never bluff a Klingon.
Oh well, so it's just another Fed vs. Kling thing it seems.
Personally I think it's a great incentive to play KDF side.
But it's ridiculous to see farming alts.
Imho exchange contraband should be avalable at level 30 or even later. That's the only thing about contraband that bothers me. I play both Fed and KDF side, so I couldn't care less about petty competition or hurt feelings.
Doubtful.
If you farm 2000 contraband in a month (roughly 66-68) a day, you can reach 100 million EC (assuming each CB goes for 50k EC a pop)
SO -
- If you have a bunch of klink alts AND:
- never turn in your contraband AND:
- Do NOTHING but missions that offer Contraband or a chance at contraband, then yes, then and only then could you make 100 mil EC in a month,, roughly.
On a more related to topic note..
How do you guys get that much contraband even with the slaver nerf? o.o