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dkeith2011
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Here is my idea for a new approach to the Fleet economy.
I offer this idea freely to the Devs if they find it interesting and/or useful.
The goal is to create a balanced system that is equally fair to all fleet sizes and avoids the massive grinds for specific items that the current system is overloaded with.
1: Throw the current contribution system and all of its requirements out the airlock and forget about it. Project durations will be maintained however.
2: Place a Fleet Resource Coordinator (FRC) on the base.
3: Donate any and all items, DOffs, BOffs and select currencies to the FRC to be converted into Fleet Resources (FR). The amount of FR generated will depend on the quality/rarity of the donated item(s)/currency and the total available is stored numerically in the Fleet Bank in the same manner as ECs.* These would likely be a cap on the total FRs banked, but probably high enough to not be a serious issue.
4: Players receive Fleet Credits (FC) for donations to the FRC. The amount of FC generated will depend on the quality/rarity of the donated item(s)/currency.
5: Reset all projects to use FR rather than the specific items currently required.
6: Any fleet member normally able to contribute to fleet projects can allocate FR to a scheduled project.
This system will remove bottlenecks created by specific item requirements.
The broader base of items/currencies available for donation would allow smaller fleets to achieve development goals more quickly and easily.
The retained time-gates on projects will maintain advancement balance regardless of fleet size. Small fleets will still take longer to complete projects simple because they have fewer donations overall in comparison to larger fleets.
This system also makes canceling a project, even a fully funded one, a non-issue. The allocated FR is simply returned to the bank to await reallocation. This is exploit-proof as the players receive FCs when items are donated and converted into FRs, not when items are donated to specific projects.
This would also allow players to gain FCs when there are no projects running, allowing them to purchase items from the feel stores more easily.
I offer this idea freely to the Devs if they find it interesting and/or useful.
The goal is to create a balanced system that is equally fair to all fleet sizes and avoids the massive grinds for specific items that the current system is overloaded with.
1: Throw the current contribution system and all of its requirements out the airlock and forget about it. Project durations will be maintained however.
2: Place a Fleet Resource Coordinator (FRC) on the base.
3: Donate any and all items, DOffs, BOffs and select currencies to the FRC to be converted into Fleet Resources (FR). The amount of FR generated will depend on the quality/rarity of the donated item(s)/currency and the total available is stored numerically in the Fleet Bank in the same manner as ECs.* These would likely be a cap on the total FRs banked, but probably high enough to not be a serious issue.
4: Players receive Fleet Credits (FC) for donations to the FRC. The amount of FC generated will depend on the quality/rarity of the donated item(s)/currency.
5: Reset all projects to use FR rather than the specific items currently required.
6: Any fleet member normally able to contribute to fleet projects can allocate FR to a scheduled project.
This system will remove bottlenecks created by specific item requirements.
The broader base of items/currencies available for donation would allow smaller fleets to achieve development goals more quickly and easily.
The retained time-gates on projects will maintain advancement balance regardless of fleet size. Small fleets will still take longer to complete projects simple because they have fewer donations overall in comparison to larger fleets.
This system also makes canceling a project, even a fully funded one, a non-issue. The allocated FR is simply returned to the bank to await reallocation. This is exploit-proof as the players receive FCs when items are donated and converted into FRs, not when items are donated to specific projects.
This would also allow players to gain FCs when there are no projects running, allowing them to purchase items from the feel stores more easily.
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Not to mention, one of the major reasons to require different resources is that getting the resources forces you to do different content.
Why? You're still sending those resources to the coordinator, who then dictates the expenditure of those resources to use on the various projects. They become the logistics officer.
Think about this statement: "... forces you to do different content."
Not really.
You would still be feeding the same resources to the base. The only difference here is that you would be dropping the resources into a depot for later use instead of using them immediately.
Anyone who has ever done construction knows you want to have a reasonable amount of material on hand to keep the project moving during the inevitable shipping delays.
Exactly what diverse content did you have in mind?
The primary supplies for all fleet projects drop only from a very limited amount of content. This system would make literally everything in the game useful and therefore all content desirable. Players could play any content they like rather than be forced to run the same handful of missions over and over.
Exactly.
Which is more realistic? Your Captain assigning materials and personnel to jobs randomly on the construction site or the site foreman assigning them according to the job schedule?
In this vein, which is more realistic: The foreman placing a shopping list style order for all of the materials needed or simply accepting whatever comes in with the end result being an immense overabundance of fleet marks and a virtual absence of crew.
Any construction crew i hire better have it's own crew to do the work.
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interesting idea but I think is what they need to work on is actualy balancing between small fleets and large fleets so the project costs are fair so small fleet members do not have to donate 100% while large fleet members only have to do 25%.
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If you were hiring an outside crew and expected them to do that part of the work, you wouldn't be contributing any resources at all except raw cash.
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Don't take it quite so literally.
One way or another those materials are being supplied. Even if that means your donated crew are doing a job then being traded 'off screen' for other items.
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That is never going to happen, Stahl has all but directly stated as much.
The mine was supposed to be the help small fleets needed and we all know how that played out.
Yeah another hugely expensive sink, I mean go figure that it would cost dilithium towards your very own dilithium mine.
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There is MASSIVE bonuses to being a tier 5 fleet. Tell me why it shouldn't be hard to do ? I mean chuck your garbage into the fleet and poof tier 5.
Every game has a grind for the top tier equipment, WOW/********* ect.. all require months of grinding for one or two skills.. end game content can take years. Why should grinding up a starbase be simple?
Bottlenecks happen because fleets doesn't have enough active players... Way to solve this .. recruit, offer a fun and inviting space to play in and you will have more active players.. Either that or wait.
Small fleets are mad because nobody wants to be a part of there fleets, and they can't level as fast as fleets with 10 times there active members. .... Well DUH more people grinding = faster leveling.
Get off your can, grind for you fleet, and come talk to me when YOU personally have donated over 10 million fleet credits to your fleet like i have.
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here is the problem with what you suggest..
most of the people only want to run the easy fleet mark missions..
they dont want to collect 400 doffs, or 500 particle traces, or whatever..
those ones are the ones complaining about the projects and not getting enough FC..
so you want to put this box in the base that you can throw stuff into and collect FC..
people will just donate the FM and gain 100,000s of FC..
the box will be mostly empty of everything else.. i promise. why would they put in DIL or DOFFs if you can put in FM and get FC.
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Resources and Credits generated would have to be rebalanced of course.
More valuable things, dilithium for example, would generate far more Resources and Credits than a data sample or white DOff. Generally speaking, the more rare or valuable the item is the more Resources and Credits it generates.
Getting this balanced could be tricky, but I think it would be worth it in the end.
If anything, this might help generate more income for Cryptic. If it is possible to fund projects solely by donating dilithium for Resources I can easily see more players buying Zen and dropping it on the exchange.
Exactly. My fleet is trying something new for us with a contest to get the most fleet credits in a month that starts next week. The reward is a lockbox ship and the minimum value to get it is earning 1 million in a month. We are counting alts for my Fed and KDF fleet for each contestant and with numerous opportunities to donate, then it will make for a fun contest. Certain people have been disqualified due to them being Fleet Leaders or being the major contributors of the fleet. Anyone that wants to use my idea can go right ahead.
The problem with most fleets is that only a fraction donate more than what is necessary to get their equipment and various events are necessary to help with contributing.
Events can be fun, but they simply don't address the core issue.
That being the absurdly large requirements and the equally absurdly limited way to get those requirements.
If I'm faced with the choice of running 20 STFs and being bored to tears after 2 or running those 2 and going to do something else (STO or not), guess which one I'm likely to pick.
On the other hand, if I can go run 20 different missions and get a varied scattering of rewards to donate and have a lot more fun earning them...
For me, that's a no-brainer.
my fleet this would never happen.
most projects stay open only minutes..
we just queued up the t5 mil project and it took only 8 hours to fill up..
there is no way ONE person could get 1m a month, let alone the entire fleet.
when the projects start there is 15-20 people online to fill them.
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It would take a little luck in being the one to fill the projects up but if the major contributors are barred and alts are counted then its go able pretty easily for 1 person to make 1 million. Never mind a fleet.
I will use my fleet for example. We are chugging away at T2 going on T3 SB. The projects cost 1800 FM daily. 1800 * 50 = 90,000 FC. Assuming you got everything going every day it would only take 12 days to reach 1,000,000 FC using the SB alone. Never mind Embassy and Mine projects. And if upgrades came along with their massive sinks in that month then I wouldn't be surprised if a well oiled fleet produced upwards of 3 million or more a month.
So while an individual might have issues in timing, a fleet can easily clear 1 million FC.
As I said above this proposal could very easily make bases even more profitable for Cryptic.
If it becomes possible to fund a project with nothing but dilithium I can see more players buying Zen for the exchange. Even if it they are only buying small amounts, that is more cash in the Cryptic coffer.
Yeah. Large active fleets would have a problem with this contest. However, my fleet has the Tier 3 Embassy upgrade ready Fed side, all the Tier 2 Dilithium upgrades to do KDF side, the Tier 2 Dilithium Mine upgrade currently active Fed side, the various cosmetic projects that will come out during the contest, and all the regular projects to do. Our fleet takes a few days to start upgrade projects and sometimes the regular projects. Also, KDF is lagging behind so the contest gives double the points for KDF alts so it only takes 500,000 FC to qualify for the prize KDF side, but 1 million FC Fed side.
where a replicator can make edible food from waste? what would be unreal about this. disassemble the matter in one object recombine it a different way for new item. very unreal in life but in trek its not.
Some things you can't replicate. Personnel, Dilithium, and other items can't be replicated. The other items could be related to Fleet Marks. Also, there is the issue of paperwork that must be completed and that could fall under Fleet Marks as well.
Food is easy to replicate. Food is composed of Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen and trace amounts of other items. It is just a matter of rearranging molecules to the right configuration and you have a hamburger on a plate. Everything shown in Star Trek about replicators is that it uses some bulk material to create food. It does not replicate food from just energy. There is no evidence that it manipulates subatomic particles to create food just atoms. So if a piece of equipment needs steel, then you need carbon, iron, and a few other elements to create it depending on the type of steel.
After all, why does Voyager have to keep on looking for supplies if the replicator can create anything they want? Voyager seems to waste a ton of energy on frivolous activities like their holodeck adventures so they must have enough energy to create anything from scratch from their replicators most of the time. There are only a few episodes where the ship is in the dark to conserve energy.