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Aux2Batt Builds Getting Out of Hand?
mreeves7a
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I would assume that when the Devs implemented Technician DOffs for use with the BOff skill Aux2Batt, they intended for it to be a boon to cruisers. Sadly, with most things in STO, A2B builds benefit select escorts and destroyers most.
(Do bugships/vetships really need to be able to run CRF2 and APO3 at their maximum uptimes?)
There needs to be a change to A2B +Technicians that adjusts this to being a help to cruisers more than escorts. I would suggest that Technician DOff cooldown reduction only apply to engineering BOff skills. Doing so would keep the benefit focused on cruisers and eng powers, allowing them to deploy high-end engineering BOff skills rapidly and maintain high non-aux power levels.
(Do bugships/vetships really need to be able to run CRF2 and APO3 at their maximum uptimes?)
There needs to be a change to A2B +Technicians that adjusts this to being a help to cruisers more than escorts. I would suggest that Technician DOff cooldown reduction only apply to engineering BOff skills. Doing so would keep the benefit focused on cruisers and eng powers, allowing them to deploy high-end engineering BOff skills rapidly and maintain high non-aux power levels.
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The reason Aux2Batt makes cruisers (specifically tac cruisers) viable is because of a flat cooldown reduction to all skills. The ones they care about the least are the engineering ones. Why run Aux2Batt to reduce exclusively engineering cooldowns when you can just double them up on say a Fleet Galaxy? Aux2Batt allows you to avoid doubling up tac team, and gets skills like ABP, APO, TSS and Polarize Hull popping off very quickly.
If this last bastion of cruiser builds is nerfed because of (yet again) petty inter shiptype quibbling, I shall be very disappointed. And yes, this is indeed a Cruiser nerf you are proposing.
YES nerf cruisers even more,
cruisers use A2B for dps. If it only worked for Eng Skills it would be pointless
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Damage boni for high power in aux via nukara rep.
Damage boni for high power in ALL subsystem via fleet warp cores.
An a2b will lose out on the nukara rep damage/defense boost and on some damage bonus provided by the new cores too.
A few more rep-powers/ship components like that and it will be more beneficial for cruisers to ditch a2b and just crank up the overall power to get more damage. I'm not sure how competitive those non-a2b powers are compared to a a2b build right now since i haven't tested it.
There are a few things that i would like to see implemented:
Shields with higher capacity and regeneration but also higher bleedthrough. Say 20% more than the current covariant ones but 5-10% higher bleedthrough.
Weapons that do something beside just damage. For example a Dual Beam Bank that, if its NOT firing, provides a little power to engines/shields/whatever or something like that. That would help cruisers get more out of their huge amount of weapons slots.
More useful engineering powers. Especially at the bottom and the top end. Just compare aceton beam and eject warp plasma to something like Attack pattern omega.
1. It got popular. It is the most popular 'flavor of the month' build. All these threads about 10k DPS cruisers and such due to APB and A2B builds have made a LOT of people want them on their ships. So many people are trying to put A2B builds on every ship they can, and always looking at each new ship with an 'A2B mentality'. (Not saying every person does, but a lot do)
2. Romulan ships. Seriously, virtually every Romulan ship out there can run an A2B build, mostly due to them usually having a Lt. Universal slot and at least a Lt. Engineer slot on a large portion of their ships. So basically we have DHC-using, battle-cloaking, high shield and high hull (usually), high crit chance/severity, lower-ish power levels ships being able to keep all their powers on global CD.
3. It's easy to build with it. Seriously not much needed, just two Lt. level Engineering BOFF slots available, add in the 3 Technicians, and then just make sure to keep your shared cooldowns to a minimum. Then BOOM, A2B build.
I will agree that A2B builds on some ships is silly. Like a bug or Steamrunner. Not because it keeps the CDs down, but that I just think it's silly to have 7 tac BOFF powers in the first place and then want to try and reduce the CDs on all of those. Now, the Vet ships on the other hand is a great choice for an A2B build. Sure it leaves you with only a single Cmdr Tac, but that can be plenty:
TT 1, CSV 1, TS 3, APB or APO 3. And there you go, a great basic PvE set-up kept at global CD due to the A2B. On top of that, you can slot something like a Tractor Beam 1 in the ensign universal due to not needing it for an EPTS or TT.
A ship, any ship, regardless of type, should not be able to take focused fire from more than 2-3 escorts and survive for that long.
My suggestions for the nerf:
-Purple Tech doffs no longer stack
or
-Ability cool down only applies to Emergency Power to X abilities.
LOL Aux2Bat does not make cruisers invincible. This whole thread screams that escort jocks with DHC's are unhappy because their is now a build that is competitive with them.
On the one hand i can empathise with them, An Aux Bat Fleet Assault cruiser done right can practically drop kick a Scimitar during its alpha strike
I can understand the shock Escort jocks are feeling is uplesant
HOWEVER
They need to rise to the challenge , Innovating cruiser captains built strategy to beat the DHC jocks , they need to stop complaining and put thought into their build
Aux to Bat allows the Sleeping Bear that is a STO cruiser to rise from its slumber , please Cryptic, don't make us go back to sleep
And how does A2B make a cruiser invincible? Answer: it doesn't. It drains your aux power to 5. Which means, all sci powers based on aux become essentially powerless. Hazard emitters, TSS, repulsors, and tractors. How does a ship become invincible with no haz emit or TSS? You obviously don't run an A2B build, and have incorrectly assumed that it is this build that is making cruisers 'invincible'. Cruisers use A2B for DPS, not to become a 'tank'. 'Zombie' cruisers have been around since before doffs came into existence.
This. I find it extremely funny that there have been so many threads complaining of how cruisers don't do enough damage, and now that there is a way to improve that, there are threads calling for a nerf. LOL.
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It also suggest that engineer captains could use a cooldown-reducing ability to help them be viable.
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Don't worry... Aux2Batt (A2B) does not make cruisers invincible, it's just a more efficient build. There are still cooldowns - there has to be to have Aux power go up again and then switch it over to the other powers.
As far as DPS, cruisers are still subpar to escort builds, at least in my experience. You might be able to come relatively close to escort DPS but only if you invest in purple everything and sacrifice other abilities/skills like being able to a healer, etc. Escorts are and will be "king of DPS". They should be.
A2B just makes cruisers worth flying again. Before this new type of build I did not feel that I was contributing to space STFs enough, now I take things down quickly to more easily help achieve the optional goals, even do some crowd control.
If you are finding that cruisers are hard to take down... perhaps they should be.
Instead of nerfing something because it is working better, maybe it's time to have more powerful weapons... technology is supposed to improve over time; become more powerful.
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Ever thought just how silly and inept it makes you look when you cry and demand nerfs instead of just getting with the flow of things and setting up a competitive ship build? With all the stats, traits and choices in game I'm sure you could even come across original builds that will be viable. Though that would require using your head for once instead of expecting to be spoon fed throughout life.:rolleyes:
A2b is good on some ships that have the right layout like Scimitar, Vet ship, Galor, Regent, Jem HEC, and a few others, but I see it run on lots of ships that would be better off using attack pattern doffs, damage control doffs, or energy weapon doffs to reduce cooldowns.
I love seeing Jem'hadar dreadnoughts, risian corvettes, and Temporal destroyers using it, they totally gimp themselves and have only 1 weak sci heal from drained aux, and almost no eng heals because they waste their eng slots on a2b. Almost always easy kills. Do not use it on ships that already have Cmdr and Lt Tac, there is no need for it, just save up for attack pattern and damge control doffs.
As far as using it on escorts and destroyers.....so what? A tac captain already has an innate ability to halve all his tac cooldowns anyways, so if they want to use up all the doffs and cripple their heals to be redundant, meh okay. Its more for engineers really, which makes them so much more viable than they otherwise would be, and thats a GOOD thing.
Yeah it can get a little silly when pushed to over-stacked extreme levels, but so can half the stuff in this game. Treat it with a bit of finesse, and its all good.
Aaaah build mechanics.
If half the people on the forums spent half as much time over there, than in general discussion, we'd see a lot more posts like this.
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surprisingly, it balances itself well. killing your aux dead all the time is a poor fit for any role other then damage dealing. you cant run a healer with it, or a sci controller. in the beginning it basically made sub par ships more competitive tactically, but the war birds being able to use it upsets things a bit. the battle cloaks need aux though, so the risk and reward is even greater when you run AtB on warbirds.
I fly a Temporal Destroyer and thank you very much but I would never touch ATB on it. I find it hard to believe that people deem acceptable the loss of a potential Lt. Eng/Sci slot in exchange for freeing up Tac slots that they have nothing to fill with anyway.
Yeah I should clarify, I love seeing my targets who are those ships using it, I watch for people that run silly builds like a2b on a mobious when I am going around kerrat cloaked and go for them. Even funnier is seeing Jem dreads do it, gimp their hangars and their limited heals.
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You can go even faster without a2b, and be much tankier since you will be able to use the lt uni as sci. It takes 2 attack pattern doffs, 2 damage control doffs and an aux2ID doff, core that boosts engine power with ->E and leech. You can keep epte1 and epts3 up full time or switch it and epte up for even more speed and have aux2ID up almost full time and APO3 at global with the doffs. engine power wont quite be maxed but high enough and still faster with aux2ID. Corvette will still have enough tac to run 2x TT1, APO3 and ATD1 at global and CRF1 and CRF2.
To be honest I was doing it as an experiment and have no real desire to fly it full time though my tests showed it had a VERY high capacity to deal damage while RSP on global made it extremely hard to kill (in the event that you could hit it at all), with a tac captain I think I could get enough spike out of it to get kills in the space of 1 strafe run.
Then how about we give Cruisers more... You know... Tactical abilities to start with instead of making this back door work around the only solution? What a concept right?
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Dammit now I'm on the fence again. I'll probably have to test it just for the sake of testing
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